Dud what's going on with Alan Aragon ?

[Azrairc]

jesus christ that b1tch is hideous



did she get raped or some chit? or just groped? if she just got groped jesus christ stfu...

tbh Alan was probably going for the "easy" targets. He's probably made advances before after getting rejected then got forceful (some women will actually enjoy/ submit to that behavior). And dude the chick said she was held down and couldn't move while he groped her, literally multiple witnesses coming forward and accusers that it's happened before and they told Alan to get his chit straight

[Aristotelian]

who the F is Alan Aragon.............sounds like a Tekken character

Had no idea who this guy is. Thought OP meant the actor that played Aragorn in LOTR.
Could not care less.

Where's all the join date mockery?

Read the Reddit thread with the cliffs and links. That's all pretty damning, and the way he handled it was moronic.

How is it pretty damning? At least redraider86 couches that with 'allegedly', and I'm getting pretty sick of allegations being guaranteed convictions these days.

What a pathetic thread - does due process not exist for anyone?

Read this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-assault-trial

Guy has loads of accusations thrown at him, gets fired from his prominent job, lengthy court case drags on and he is acquitted of EVERY CHARGE brought against him, and #metoo -esque people considered this a grave injustice.

So that Carolina in this thread runs around telling people she was sexually assaulted by Alan, and wants to talk about it...now? After telling people she knew 'back then' so they can come rushing forward corroborating that she said this to them which is not that this happened.

It is f'n pathetic to see threads like this and that reddit post - for the people in that reddit thread saying they need to 'come here and set the forum straight' feel free. With facts, not allegations. An allegation is not a conviction; numerous allegations are not a conviction. See where I'm going with this?

[redraider86]

It is f'n pathetic to see threads like this and that reddit post - for the people in that reddit thread saying they need to 'come here and set the forum straight' feel free. With facts, not allegations. An allegation is not a conviction; numerous allegations are not a conviction. See where I'm going with this?

That post referred to a thread that was deleted, in which miscers continued to call the women who were making allegations liars, whores, gold-diggers, and a whole host of other delightful names. It's completely fair to say it was insane and victim blame-y, and I stand by that statement.

I'm still confused on the conviction part, though. I've heard that thrown around a good bit. None of this is ever going to trial, so what conviction would you like to see happen before people talk about it?

[Kirra]

Fukking lolled at this:

I’ll report that she told me Alan said he wanted to “smack that ass.” When she rebuffed him he did not back down, and reiterated that he wanted to smack that ass.

That's such classic socially awkward miscer behavior.

[128]

Where's all the join date mockery?



How is it pretty damning? At least redraider86 couches that with 'allegedly', and I'm getting pretty sick of allegations being guaranteed convictions these days.

What a pathetic thread - does due process not exist for anyone?

Read this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-assault-trial

Guy has loads of accusations thrown at him, gets fired from his prominent job, lengthy court case drags on and he is acquitted of EVERY CHARGE brought against him, and #metoo -esque people considered this a grave injustice.

So that Carolina in this thread runs around telling people she was sexually assaulted by Alan, and wants to talk about it...now? After telling people she knew 'back then' so they can come rushing forward corroborating that she said this to them which is not that this happened.

It is f'n pathetic to see threads like this and that reddit post - for the people in that reddit thread saying they need to 'come here and set the forum straight' feel free. With facts, not allegations. An allegation is not a conviction; numerous allegations are not a conviction. See where I'm going with this?

He’s not on trial here

And he basically admits to it but blames it on the alcohol

[keels141]

yea

At this point I'm just hoping Lyle McDonald isn't next srs

me too

[lolXlol]

wow... and this guy's married as well?

what a pos

[arn710]

That being said. Completely retarded that his career has been ruined over something that has literally happened to everyone.

Literally never sexually assaulted anyone. Literally very few people do this

Literally you're a fuking scum bag if you do

[DesiredUserphag]

Not surprised since he's a azn manlet with a small D

[GM54]

http://www.bodyforwife.com/when-is-t...xual-predator/

[TappingTheZen]

Here;s a timeline of what happened:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leangains/c...serial_sexual/

[menseks]

so wtf did he do exactly? all the articles just say he harassed them.

[RainingBlood]

None of this is ever going to trial, so what conviction would you like to see happen before people talk about it?

Why isn't this going to trial? And why don't these women go to the police right now?

On a sidenote, can you shame/press charges to someone who "groped" you once, but then stopped once they were told not to do it again?

Literally never sexually assaulted anyone. Literally very few people do this

Literally you're a fuking scum bag if you do

I think a lot of the hysteria is due to men unintentionally sexually assaulting women.

Let's say you're alone with a girl, you're both drinking, and you slap her ass. Is that sexual assault? A lot of people would say "no", because the context of the situation suggests that you're more than friends. A lot of people would say "yes", because consent wasn't given.

[arn710]

I think a lot of the hysteria is due to men unintentionally sexually assaulting women.

Let's say you're alone with a girl, you're both drinking, and you slap her ass. Is that sexual assault? A lot of people would say "no", because the context of the situation suggests that you're more than friends. A lot of people would say "yes", because consent wasn't given.

If you're told to stop and don't, there's nothing "unintentional" about that. Also considering the volume of accusations and admissions at this point, there is little doubt

A lot of that depends on context. I'm not really interested in hypotheticals though

[Finnegan Bell]

AA made a huge mistake . His friends should have helped him recover and reconcile with his victims or compensate them for the damage . Why did his friends turn their backs to him ?

I really respected Brad Schoenfled who is still supporting him . People are way over-reacting , it is not like he physically harmed them in a dark alley ...

[redraider86]

Why isn't this going to trial? And why don't these women go to the police right now?

On a sidenote, can you shame/press charges to someone who "groped" you once, but then stopped once they were told not to do it again?

Sexual harassment isn't criminal. The victims could bring a case civilly if they wanted to. However, if it involves unwanted touching and physical intimidation, it can be sexual assault, which is a crime. As far as I can tell, only one person has alleged he held her in place, and unwanted forceful touching is a big deal. That person could absolutely report this to the police. I don't know why they aren't going to the police - I'm not them, and I'm not making the case that they should or shouldn't.

A victim also cannot press charges, though a victim can make the decision to report it/make an official statement. It is up to the DA to decide if they want to pursue a case.

My point is that being allowed to discuss and have consequences for bad behavior only after a legal verdict is reached when the perpetrator himself admitted to doing these things is silly.

[TreFo]

damn not AA best mod and nutritionist

[Maylie]

Literally never sexually assaulted anyone. Literally very few people do this

Literally you're a fuking scum bag if you do

Thank you.

Holy chit at the apologists in this thread. If you think this behavior is normal or acceptable, don't whine when you do get "metoo'd".

[GM54]

Thank you.

Holy chit at the apologists in this thread. If you think this behavior is normal or acceptable, don't whine when you do get "metoo'd".

so true.... it's like none of you idiots have mothers or sisters. If i caught someone doing these things to a woman I knew i would crack their head open like an egg

[Kirra]

Good to see that Brad Schoenfield isn't throwing Alan under the bus at least:

Alan Aragon has been one of my closest friends for many years. I've known him to be an incredible scientist and a warm, engaging person. So the events from this past weekend have left me a mess of emotions. I'm distraught, angry, upset, sad, confused....it's difficult for me to come to grips with it all.

In recent years I had come to learn that Alan is an alcoholic. I'd seen him drunk frequently at events that we presented at, sometimes to the point where he was falling over. At first, I thought these were just aberrations. But the more I witnessed the incidents time and again, it became apparent that he had a serious drinking problem.

In reponse, I attempted several interventions with Alan over the past year. I tried to convince him to get help. I told him it would ruin his career. His life. Several months ago he acknowledged an issue and told me that he would stop drinking at speaking events.

Obviously, that did not happen.

In all the time that I've known Alan, I had never seen him be inappropriate with a woman. I couldn't fathom the Alan that I knew would ever do such a thing. He got sloppy. He became flirtatious. But never did I see any signs of sexually aberrant behavior. Thus, hearing the stories from this past weekend was a shock to me. It completely crossed the line.

It sickened me.

I have two sisters, one of whom has been sexually assaulted, and can't fathom them having to go through something like this. What he did was indefensible and unacceptable. Alcoholism may be explanatory, but it's not excusatory. He and he alone is responsible for his actions.

I've been bending my mind over the past few days, thinking whether there is anything else I can or should have done. If only I was more persistent. If only I tried to get others involved. If only...

My heart goes out to those who were affected. I only hope that Alan can own up to his actions, make amends to the victims, and get himself the necessary help to get better.

Literally never sexually assaulted anyone. Literally very few people do this

Literally you're a fuking scum bag if you do

What exactly do you mean with "sexual assault"? Do you feel that repeatedly telling a girl that you wanna "smack that ass" is sexual assault?

Not saying that it's okay to creep on chicks that want none of that, but fukking "sexual assault"??? That's weak man.

[Maylie]

Throw on the groping and yes.. Which is a dick move.

Alan was a home grown miscer that grew into the nutrition king. He got canceled from my hometown conference. Sad chit.

That being said. Completely retarded that his career has been ruined over something that has literally happened to everyone.

I get the feeling that if someone repeatedly groped your daughter when she told him to stop you wouldn't go "ah well, dick move but let's all forgive him and let him keep his career".

If conservatives continue to act as apologists for this kind of bull****, the liberal MeToo, SJW stuff is just going to gain crediblity.

Mind totally blown nobody sees that.

[arn710]

What exactly do you mean with "sexual assault"? Do you feel that repeatedly telling a girl that you wanna "smack that ass" is sexual assault?

No. That's called sexual harassment and can be just as bad

[arn710]

Miscers wife comes home from her work conference

Wife: Honey, I was groped and sexually harassed by the key note speaker at my conference

Miscer: Well, what did you do to cause this? Was it really that bad though? I mean the key note speaker is a really well respected professional. I would hate to ruin his career over this. Let's reserve judgement until all the facts come out

[Maylie]

Miscers wife comes home from her work conference

Wife: Honey, I was groped and sexually harassed by the key note speaker at my conference

Miscer: Well, what did you do to cause this? Was it really that bad though? I mean the key note speaker is a really well respected professional. I would hate to ruin his career over this. Let's reserve judgement until all the facts come out

New respect for you. On spread.

[rainieravesouth]

Miscers wife comes home from her work conference

Wife: Honey, I was groped and sexually harassed by the key note speaker at my conference

Miscer: Well, what did you do to cause this? Was it really that bad though? I mean the key note speaker is a really well respected professional. I would hate to ruin his career over this. Let's reserve judgement until all the facts come out

the only mistake is believing this miscer has a wife that comes home to him.

but, yes, you're hypothetical situation proves the point you're trying to make. waiting for the apologists to make new excuses

[Kirra]

No. That's called sexual harassment and can be just as bad

It's just as bad to tell a girl you wanna "smack that ass" as sexually assaulting someone? Are you retarded?

[Maylie]

It's just as bad to tell a girl you wanna "smack that ass" as sexually assaulting someone? Are you retarded?

The only one saying that here is you.

He said sexual harassment can be just as bad, not that it was in this particular instance.

[arn710]

It's just as bad to tell a girl you wanna "smack that ass" as sexually assaulting someone? Are you retarded?

No but you clearly lack fundamental reading comprehension.

[RedRusty]

It's disappointing, to say the least. His work and publications have taught me a lot in this process. To blame alcohol is just....well.

[TappingTheZen]

It's just as bad to tell a girl you wanna "smack that ass" as sexually assaulting someone? Are you retarded?

He was also rubbing his fingers through her hair when he did it (apparently) and then she told him to stop, he stopped for 30 seconds and then resumed physical contact and telling her he wanted to smack dat ass.

If he would have stopped after she expressed her disinterest the first time, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion but he did not. This is not normal human behaviour and is absolutely wrong and creepy.

Who's saying it's 'as bad as sexual assault'?... because it's not as bad as sexual assault, it's okay? Is that what you're saying?