Question for liberals: Why/How is Trump in Putin's pocket?

[Retoaded]

Like...he has no reason to be, we are far more powerful than Russia is and the Donald is an egomaniac. So what is the logical (read: Not emotional) explanation?

Just quit screaming and explain it to me. Do you imagine that one time in Russia, Putin videotaped Trump molesting a dog? It certainly couldn't be infidelity with a human woman, because we all know about that.

Has the Russian mafia threatened to kill his entire family? They just gonna get past secret service?

What is the logical explanation? Dead serious. It seems more logical to me that he is just doing what he feels is right, and if you disagree with him then be mad. I know the neocons are mad, the IC guys like Brennan are mad.

But why logically is he Putin's puppet?

[Cuchulainn]

Like...he has no reason to be, we are far more powerful than Russia is and the Donald is an egomaniac. So what is the logical (read: Not emotional) explanation?

Just quit screaming and explain it to me. Do you imagine that one time in Russia, Putin videotaped Trump molesting a dog? It certainly couldn't be infidelity with a human woman, because we all know about that.

Has the Russian mafia threatened to kill his entire family? They just gonna get past secret service?

What is the logical explanation? Dead serious. It seems more logical to me that he is just doing what he feels is right, and if you disagree with him then be mad. I know the neocons are mad, the IC guys like Brennan are mad.

But why logically is he Putin's puppet?

Question for Trumpers, can you name a major countrty/leader other than Russia and Putin who Trump has not insulted?

[Retoaded]

Question for Trumpers, can you name a major countrty/leader other than Russia and Putin who Trump has not insulted?

Well. First reply does not have an answer to my simple question. Answer the question or start your own thread *******.

[Uptown83]

in for answers

[tats27]

You wont get an answer to this question other than "well he obviously has something on Trump."

Libs are fkn clueless.

[arn710]

A lot of people are incapable of separating Trump's words from his actions

That being said, Trump is his own worst enemy in this regard

[ODBM]

But why logically is he Putin's puppet?

[Dan_S]

It was probably when he killed a few hundred Russians?

Or when he offered to sell Germany energy so they wouldn't be linked with Russia, had Congress pass sanctions against Germany to reinforce that, and then when Germany went ahead and made a massive energy deal with Russia anyway, threatened them to try to sever their ties to Russia (Ugh, I mean, can't Trump see that NATO countries should be able to do whatever they want? I mean wtf dude! It's not like NATO's only purpose was to be a counter to them and sending billions to Russia undermines that entire military relationship. Drumpf is such a tard)?

Or perhaps it's his arming of Ukraine to fight back against Russian encroachment, something Obama did the exact opposite of?

It's actually probably when he decided to decimate Russian strategic positions in Syria.

Man, Trump is such a puppet to Russia! He's clearly kiling Russians and sabotaging their economic success to throw people off the scent of how deep he's in with them.

[Audioslave]

I don't know if he has anything on him. If he did have anything on him, I would imagine it would be illegal business activities. In fairness, Trump is an extremely shady businessman, so that is the only thing that really stands out to me. I mean, getting involved in things like pyramid schemes is very "gangster-like" for an NY businessman, so that is where my mind typically goes when we talk about having compromising information. But ultimately, I don't know if they have anything on him.

[knightofday]

It was probably when he killed a few hundred Russians?

Or when he offered to sell Germany energy so they wouldn't be linked with Russia, had Congress pass sanctions against Germany to reinforce that, and then when Germany went ahead and made a massive energy deal with Russia anyway, threatened them to try to sever their ties to Russia (Ugh, I mean, can't Trump see that NATO countries should be able to do whatever they want? I mean wtf dude! It's not like NATO's only purpose was to be a counter to them and sending billions to Russia undermines that entire military relationship. Drumpf is such a tard)?

Or perhaps it's his arming of Ukraine to fight back against Russian encroachment, something Obama did the exact opposite of?

It's actually probably when he decided to decimate Russian strategic positions in Syria.

Man, Trump is such a puppet to Russia! He's clearly kiling Russians and sabotaging their economic success to throw people off the scent of how deep he's in with them.

Probably all this OP

[SillieBazzillie]

How long did it take Trump to enact the unanimous Russian sanctions voted on by congress? Did he seem reluctant to do so?

That tells you all you need to know.

[Retoaded]

How long did it take Trump to enact the unanimous Russian sanctions voted on by congress? Did he seem reluctant to do so?

That tells you all you need to know.

Obviously it does not, or I wouldn't have asked the question.

[SillieBazzillie]

Obviously it does not, or I wouldn't have asked the question.

Ok, insert head back into sand then.

It doesn't get any clearer than that. Now are you going to dig up some material from Obummer showing how he did the exact same thing as Trump like you were going to last night?
I'm not holding my breath for this one either.

[Seatard]

A lot of people are incapable of separating Trump's words from his actions

That being said, Trump is his own worst enemy in this regard

Is there an expectation that the President's words be separated from his actions?

That honestly seems like a coping mechanism so supporters can pick and choose depending on the situation. When he says stupid **** ignore it becasue it's art of the deal. When he does stupid **** ignore it becasue it's the thought that counts.

[arn710]

Obviously it does not, or I wouldn't have asked the question.

He does have a point even though they weren't unanimous.

98/2 Sillie!

[fitnessislife]

How long did it take Trump to enact the unanimous Russian sanctions voted on by congress? Did he seem reluctant to do so?

That tells you all you need to know.

[Retoaded]

Ok, insert head back into sand then.

It doesn't get any clearer than that. Now are you going to dig up some material from Obummer showing how he did the exact same thing as Trump like you were going to last night?
I'm not holding my breath for this one either.

You didn't do any reading? I am disappoint.

[Retoaded]

He does have a point even though they weren't unanimous.

98/2 Sillie!

Maybe he is just trying to reset relations with Russia? You don't have to agree with his policy, I am just asking for a logical explanation of what Russia has on Trump when there is no evidence of anything and there are thousands of people and millions of dollars looking for it who would scream to the ends of the earth if they found anything. For liberals to repeat it 100,000 times a day on social media, surely there is something there right? What is it?

[SillieBazzillie]

You didn't do any reading? I am disappoint.

I read and read and read. I just couldn't find anything where Obummer took the word of a foreign despot over his own intelligence services. Nor we he blamed his own country (the US, not Kenya) for being stupid and basically allowing an attack on itself to happen. You know, like Trump's tweet that basically said it was our fault for dressing to slooty. We deserved what we got.

[arn710]

Is there an expectation that the President's words be separated from his actions?

That honestly seems like a coping mechanism so supporters can pick and choose depending on the situation. When he says stupid **** ignore it becasue it's art of the deal. When he does stupid **** ignore it becasue it's the thought that counts.

Refer to yesterday specifically. Trump said some pretty cringeworthy stuff whether you believe the NIS or not

He hasn't been soft on Russia in action though aside from failing to actually enact the sanctions. See Dan_S's post above

[SillieBazzillie]

Maybe he is just trying to reset relations with Russia? You don't have to agree with his policy, I am just asking for a logical explanation of what Russia has on Trump when there is no evidence of anything and there are thousands of people and millions of dollars looking for it who would scream to the ends of the earth if they found anything. For liberals to repeat it 100,000 times a day on social media, surely there is something there right? What is it?

Sure, I'm sure that's it.

We'll find out eventually I believe. So until then we'll just have to be patient and read what tea leaves we can. Like Trump always taking Russia's side over American intelligence agencies and being basically forced to sign off on sanctions. Those particular tea leaves are pretty clear to me.

Oh, and btw, Trumpers will take a few texts between lovers and blow it up into some massive conspiracy with ZERO even circumstantial proof of any wrong doing. His resistance to put sanctions on Russia alone are a way bigger indicator about Trump's deferral to Russia than anything that we know about the FBI conspiring against him, but yet his sycophants refuse to see it.

Weird.

[7rmr]

Maybe Russia doesn't have anything on him.

So far there are a few things we know

1. Russia interferred in the election to help Trump. That's not my opinion, but the conclusion by everyone except Trumpers and Putin.

2. Trump likes winning.

3. Trump seems to really like dictators and autocrats.

So, Trump won the election after being helped by Putin (how meaningful that help was is clearly debateable)

Maybe he is just kissing his ass now to make sure Putin continues to interfere in future elections in support of Trump.

And given Trump's like for autocrats, he has no moral qualms about this type of bargain.

It also explains why Trump has apparently done nothing to help secure elections ahead of 2018 and why he has apparently done nothing in relation to the previous interference.

[arn710]

Maybe he is just trying to reset relations with Russia? You don't have to agree with his policy, I am just asking for a logical explanation of what Russia has on Trump when there is no evidence of anything and there are thousands of people and millions of dollars looking for it who would scream to the ends of the earth if they found anything. For liberals to repeat it 100,000 times a day on social media, surely there is something there right? What is it?

Its clear you're not going to get a reasoned explanation here considering the replies so far

[Trapstar4.4]

more than just liberals are wondering why he shrinks when in the room with putin.

there are many theories, but we are not yet sure. the fact hat it's a valid question is the issue.

[PubicHair]

The fact that you title the thread “Question for liberals” already shows your right wing slant. This means you could be shown overwhelming evidence of Trump’s connections to Russia and still tow the party line just like all the OJ jurors who refused to convict him. Here are names: Jeff Sessions, Rex Tillerson, Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater, Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and Ivanka. What do all these people have in common? Direct connections to Putin and Trump. Some have been convicted of crimes, some are about to be, some are known business associates. This is only a partial list. Others, like Dmitry Rybolovlev, etc. Not to mention how Russian money saved his orange ass in the early 2000s afterhe filed one of his many bankruptcies.

[Retoaded]

The fact that you title the thread “Question for liberals” already shows your right wing slant. This means you could be shown overwhelming evidence of Trump’s connections to Russia and still tow the party line just like all the OJ jurors who refused to convict him. Here are names: Jeff Sessions, Rex Tillerson, Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater, Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and Ivanka. What do all these people have in common? Direct connections to Putin and Trump. Some have been convicted of crimes, some are about to be, some are known business associates. This is only a partial list. Others, like Dmitry Rybolovlev, etc. Not to mention how Russian money saved his orange ass in the early 2000s afterhe filed one of his many bankruptcies.

cool list of names bro.

[Jayarbie]

Like...he has no reason to be, we are far more powerful than Russia is and the Donald is an egomaniac. So what is the logical (read: Not emotional) explanation?

Just quit screaming and explain it to me. Do you imagine that one time in Russia, Putin videotaped Trump molesting a dog? It certainly couldn't be infidelity with a human woman, because we all know about that.

Has the Russian mafia threatened to kill his entire family? They just gonna get past secret service?

What is the logical explanation? Dead serious. It seems more logical to me that he is just doing what he feels is right, and if you disagree with him then be mad. I know the neocons are mad, the IC guys like Brennan are mad.

But why logically is he Putin's puppet?

I don't really qualify as "liberal", but the answer is money. The answer is always money. When Trump's credit dried up in the US due to too many bankruptcies, he turned to "foreign" investors to keep his business afloat. Mostly shady post-Soviet ex-KGB "investors" in the Russian mafia who had billions that they stole and needed to launder. Tons of money poured into Trump's businesses from these people. Don Jr and Eric have both admitted this at various times over the years. The question now is how close is he to these nefarious "businessmen" and how far in debt is he still to the Russian mafia? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds? Billions? Why do you think it is critical for Trump to continue to hide his company's financials?

Despite what the sycophants parrot from Trump's twitter and the various alt-right CT sites, having a President who is compromised by enormous debts to organized crime tied to an adversarial foreign government is a serious national security threat.

[ichBinBerliner]

Like...he has no reason to be, we are far more powerful than Russia is and the Donald is an egomaniac. So what is the logical (read: Not emotional) explanation?

Just quit screaming and explain it to me. Do you imagine that one time in Russia, Putin videotaped Trump molesting a dog? It certainly couldn't be infidelity with a human woman, because we all know about that.

Has the Russian mafia threatened to kill his entire family? They just gonna get past secret service?

What is the logical explanation? Dead serious. It seems more logical to me that he is just doing what he feels is right, and if you disagree with him then be mad. I know the neocons are mad, the IC guys like Brennan are mad.

But why logically is he Putin's puppet?

i dont believe Trump is Putins puppet....but he is definitely Putins cuck. To say that Trump worships Putin is an understatement.

For a guy that talks about being alpha....he is most definitely not alpha around Putin.

[Retoaded]

I don't really qualify as "liberal", but the answer is money. The answer is always money. When Trump's credit dried up in the US due to too many bankruptcies, he turned to "foreign" investors to keep his business afloat. Mostly shady post-Soviet ex-KGB "investors" in the Russian mafia who had billions that they stole and needed to launder. Tons of money poured into Trump's businesses from these people. Don Jr and Eric have both admitted this at various times over the years. The question now is how close is he to these nefarious "businessmen" and how far in debt is he still to the Russian mafia? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds? Billions? Why do you think it is critical for Trump to continue to hide his company's financials?

Despite what the sycophants parrot from Trump's twitter and the various alt-right CT sites, having a President who is compromised by enormous debts to organized crime tied to an adversarial foreign government is a serious national security threat.

Thanks for the serious answer. This is a plausible theory. That some Russian banks have the ability to call his loans and bankrupt him overnight. I would think this would be easy for Mueller to uncover with unlimited resources.

If "Russia" could threaten to bankrupt him overnight, which would attack his yuuuuge ego, then that of course would be a serious threat. So without any real proof, this is what you believe to be the case? Or are you just theorizing?

[Retoaded]

i dont believe Trump is Putins puppet....but he is definitely Putins cuck. To say that Trump worships Putin is an understatement.

For a guy that talks about being alpha....he is most definitely not alpha around Putin.

I don't even mind that opinion.