Melania wears "I really don't care" jacket to visit the kids at the border

[Seatard]

Quick question: Do you blame murderers for their crimes?

Neat, an overly simplified question that misses the point entirely.

Have you ever heard about the idea of letting someone get away with murder?

[SpeedCheeser]

Obviously, that's the point.

The past absolutely matters. Turning a blind eye for decades and then expecting a poverty third world immigrant to be up to speed on the latest Tweet is stupid.

Any discussion about they or them or why don't they do this or that or why don't they make Mexico great again only demonstrates the inability of Americans to take responsibility for managing problems.

You fukked up, not them.

No one gives a damn what the latest tweet was. These people are not stupid - they know what they are doing is illegal. As a general policy, it's a good idea not to blatantly do things you know are not legal just because those before weren't caught or the people who caught them decided not to enforce the law.

Yeah, the USA has been horrible at enforcing the border. Now that we're trying to fix that fukk up you want to complain about that too?

[Seatard]

As a general policy, it's a good idea not to blatantly do things you know are not legal just because those before weren't caught or the people who caught them decided not to enforce the law.

That policy completely ignores human nature.

There haven't been any cops around for years but I'm going to go the speed limit because someone put up a new sign?

[metallicide]

That policy completely ignores human nature.

There haven't been any cops around for years but I'm going to go the speed limit becasue someone put up a new sign?

lmao so what should we do, open borders?

[BFast55]

Neat, an overly simplified question that misses the point entirely.

Have you ever heard about the idea of letting someone get away with murder?

You seem to be indignant about placing any amount of blame on the people breaking the law. So I'm simply asking if you consistently applied that to other crimes.

[Seatard]

Now that we're trying to fix that fukk up you want to complain about that too?

What many see as "trying" looks like the same old chit to me.

[LukeLissen]

It was directed at the media who are constantly harassing Melania. It was NOT worn at the children's facility she visited.



and yeah man this a thread that really needs to be posted on R/P!

Don't you ladies have anything more important to discuss? like gossiping at the hair and nail salon about why neighbor Betty Sue died her hair brown instead of leaving it grey!?

[Seatard]

lmao so what should we do, open borders?

Golly gee, I don't know. Richest, most advanced country in the world can't figure out how to secure their border so the option is open borders and bitching about liberals.

[SpeedCheeser]

That policy completely ignores human nature.

There haven't been any cops around for years but I'm going to go the speed limit because someone put up a new sign?

You don't have to go the speed limit if you don't want to take a chance based on past observations, but you know damn well what the consequences of getting caught are and have no room to bitch about being slapped with a ticket if you do.

[Seatard]

You don't have to go the speed limit if you don't want to take a chance based on past observations, but you know damn well what the consequences of getting caught are and have no room to bitch about being slapped with a ticket if you do.

If the chances are 10/1000 you'll get caught and 9 of those result in a stern warning, there won't be any bitching about a $100 ticket that leaves you free to go on your way.

LOL @ your neg. Sorry I rustled you.

[metallicide]

Golly gee, I don't know. Richest, most advanced country in the world can't figure out how to secure their border so the option is open borders and bitching about liberals.

Uhh we are fixing the problem... lol.. You must be brain dead.

[Retoaded]

Golly gee, I don't know. Richest, most advanced country in the world can't figure out how to secure their border so the option is open borders and bitching about liberals.

There are various ways to fix it that we have figured out. I think the problem is getting the fuktards in Washington to agree on one of them.

[Seatard]

There are various ways to fix it that we have figured out. I think the problem is getting the fuktards in Washington to agree on one of them.

Agreed, sort of. Figuring out a solution includes government agreeing with a course of action that then results in solving the problem.

The president isn't the government and can't likely do this on his own. This Art of the Deal BS is kind of interesting. Can Trump strong arm the rest of government into action/solution? I can understand the motivation to try but I don't see power plays working with a group of people who all believe they are powerful.

[SpeedCheeser]

If the chances are 10/1000 you'll get caught and 9 of those result in a stern warning, there won't be any bitching about a $100 ticket that leaves you free to go on your way.

LOL @ your neg. Sorry I rustled you.

I understand the concept of personal accountability is hard for you people, but do you actually have a point you're trying to make?

And I remain unrustled. But I'm sure I'm not alone in growing tired of brain dead, mindless complaints about the topic.

If the chances are 10/1000 you'll get caught and 9 of those result in a stern warning, there won't be any bitching about a $100 ticket that leaves you free to go on your way.

LOL @ your neg. Sorry I rustled you.

Uhh we are fixing the problem... lol.. You must be brain dead.

lol. See?

[Seatard]

...do you actually have a point you're trying to make?

That rather than constantly looking to blame someone else the focus should be on holding ourselves accountable for failing to secure our own borders?

Is that hating America or can you handle the responsibility?

It doesn't matter who or why or where people come from and what they bring with. What matters is how we manage our borders.

[SpeedCheeser]

That rather than constantly looking to blame someone else the focus should be on holding ourselves accountable for failing to secure our own borders?

Is that hating America or can you handle the responsibility?

It doesn't matter who or why or where people come from and what they bring with. What matters is how we manage our borders.

Sure. Illegal immigrants currently within our borders is entirely on our country for failing to secure them.

And now we are making attempts at improving security. Part of that includes apprehending all people attempting to enter illegally and processing them all on a zero tolerance policy.

You seem to be saying that the entire issue is the US' fault for not enforcing border security, but are also upset now that the US is taking action to enforce border security?

[Seatard]

You seem to be saying that the entire issue is the US' fault for not enforcing border security, but are also upset now that the US is taking action to enforce border security?

Correct on the first part, not upset that action is being taken. If I'm upset it's that, once again, the issue is being completely half-assed and managed in a way that has, along with the usual anti-immigrant rhetoric, turned the discussion towards stupid **** like caged children and Mrs. Trump's jacket. I don't expect miscers to respond by writing up multi-point immigration plans and organizing town hall meetings with their congressional representatives. The non-stop Trump nutcupping and bitching about the media and liberals is a little pathetic though and makes it hard to tell who is stupid and who is serious.

[z4v4]

I see hot rich women shopping all the time in thrift stores.
It isn't about the $$$ it's about the bargain.
If that jacket was on sale......that is considered a victory/conquest to a woman.

Also, I don't care either.

First this post starts off kinda clueless then climaxes with a good jolt of misogyny.

[SpeedCheeser]

Correct on the first part, not upset that action is being taken. If I'm upset it's that, once again, the issue is being completely half-assed and managed in a way that has, along with the usual anti-immigrant rhetoric, turned the discussion towards stupid **** like caged children and Mrs. Trump's jacket. I don't expect miscers to respond by writing up multi-point immigration plans and organizing town hall meetings with their congressional representatives. The non-stop Trump nutcupping and bitching about the media and liberals is a little pathetic though and makes it hard to tell who is stupid and who is serious.

Regardless of whether it's a half measure or if more can be done, it IS a step in the right direction, but the president can only do so much on his own, and rightfully so. But in the current atmosphere, we do have a president that at least appears fully committed to increasing border security and has several steps he'd like to see taken towards that, and we do have a particular party of people that will fight him (and anyone else with similar beliefs towards this topic) tooth and nail to keep them from passing any full measures, and we do have a media that will continue chumming the waters to incite the frenzy of that particular party. I guarantee you that every single person on the side of increased border security would MUCH rather discuss measures to actually secure it (including possible ways to keep families attempting to cross illegally together) than whether or not and for how long the government has been putting kids in cages or what Melania wore on the plane.

[Seatard]

Regardless of whether it's a half measure or if more can be done, it IS a step in the right direction, but the president can only do so much on his own, and rightfully so. But in the current atmosphere, we do have a president that at least appears fully committed to increasing border security and has several steps he'd like to see taken towards that, and we do have a particular party of people that will fight him (and anyone else with similar beliefs towards this topic) tooth and nail to keep them from passing any full measures, and we do have a media that will continue chumming the waters to incite the frenzy of that particular party. I guarantee you that every single person on the side of increased border security would MUCH rather discuss measures to actually secure it (including possible ways to keep families attempting to cross illegally together) than whether or not and for how long the government has been putting kids in cages or what Melania wore on the plane.

Trump's taking steps in some direction, we'll see if they are right.

I like that he appears fully committed to border security. That alone isn't enough though. This kind of gets to my whole problem with Trump and his supporters. I don't think the job description should be to drain the swamp and talk **** and fight the establishment. That's much better left to congress where 100 Trumps would be amazing. Instead of trying to be alpha and work towards his goals alone he should at least be able to unite his own party, and bring in some of the opposition, and work towards having his goals enacted through law. Traditional statesman type stuff.

The media is the media, to be used or disregarded as needed. There is no need to fight them.

[z4v4]

Fix your testosterone, you fukin pansy

Lol, you guys say **** like this, but then you toss off and sleep in an empty bed every night. Go figure...

[NitrogenWidget]

Lol, you guys say **** like this, but then you toss off and sleep in an empty bed every night. Go figure...

Do you imagine all the men on this bodybuilding forum laying in bed alone and masturbating?
Or is it just a select few?

[jfcantu]

I think the thing that gets lost in these discussions is the real question of, "what should our immigration policy be?"

I'm not opposed to the idea of securing the border, per se. I do think that our current problem with illegal immigration is caused, at least in part, by the fact that our immigration system is not capable of efficiently handling the number of people who want to come here. (Based on my quick research just now, it looks like the green card process can take several years if you're not employer sponsored.)

Securing the border without fixing the immigration system itself is not solving the problem. Not to generalize, but I kind of suspect that for some people, this is actually what they want; cutting off Mexicans from coming to America.

[ToPHeR35]

Lol, you guys say **** like this, but then you toss off and sleep in an empty bed every night. Go figure...

Says the guy being someone's bottom bitch every night....

[jfcantu]

Says the guy being someone's bottom bitch every night....

You say that like it's a bad thing ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[LukeLissen]

Rubio's getting sick of the Lunatic Leftist neocommunists with the rest of us ...


Marco Rubio @marcorubio
I know for a FACT that @FLOTUS has been a strong voice of compassion for migrant children. The vicious treatment of her over the last day is a reminder of how Trump Derangement Syndrome,where hatred for him justifies everything,has become an epidemic. Totally lunacy everywhere!!!

[SpeedCheeser]

I think the thing that gets lost in these discussions is the real question of, "what should our immigration policy be?"

I'm not opposed to the idea of securing the border, per se. I do think that our current problem with illegal immigration is caused, at least in part, by the fact that our immigration system is not capable of efficiently handling the number of people who want to come here. (Based on my quick research just now, it looks like the green card process can take several years if you're not employer sponsored.)

Securing the border without fixing the immigration system itself is not solving the problem. Not to generalize, but I kind of suspect that for some people, this is actually what they want; cutting off Mexicans from coming to America.

Why are you trying to make it so difficult? It's incredibly easy - fuk everyone who tries to come here illegally.

Our system doesn't need to be capable of handling everyone who wants to come here; it needs to be capable of processing all the people we can handle being here.