Discussion: Is the immigrant-child seperation policy humane?

[Retoaded]

Isn't Trump meeting with the GOP tomorrow? The outcome of that will be interesting.
GOP Congress has to figure out how to play this

They will certainly push for Trump to something but Trump will reply "give me the wall" . Boom stalemate

It's imperative that the Dems take the house this fall. We have to balance out the choas by making impeachment more of a threat

Lyin' Ted is announcing a bill tomorrow I think.

[Trapstar4.4]

Lyin' Ted is announcing a bill tomorrow I think.

With wall funding?
Lawwd Jesus dis gon be gud

Edit
Ah I'm seeing that the bill seems limited. Trump has implied that he is against Band-Aids . Dude wants the wall. We will see how it plays out

Curious to see if he stands firm

[Retoaded]

With wall funding?
Lawwd Jesus dis gon be gud

Oh no I don't know about that - I just had something in my little news alerts that come to my phone that he had a bill on the child separation coming. No clue on wall or not.

[50m3guy]

Is letting the country your forbears created turn into a latin american ****hole humane? Is flooding the high trust society where your children live with corrupt and sadistic aztec savages humane?

[Dave22reborn]

Isn't Trump meeting with the GOP tomorrow? The outcome of that will be interesting.
GOP Congress has to figure out how to play this

They will certainly push for Trump to something but Trump will reply "give me the wall" . Boom stalemate

It's imperative that the Dems take the house this fall. We have to balance out the choas by making impeachment more of a threat

Impeachment for what? And what are dems going to run on? Open borders?

[Shortfuze]

I don't get some of you guys. You actually want these illegal immigrants and their kids to just waltz into our country and take advantage of our welfare systems, resources, and other advantages? What about all the other families waiting patiently in line, earning their status and citizenship though proper LEGAL channels? How is it fair to them? What incentive does any LEGAL immigrant have if someone just hops through the border and starts crying boohoo tears and demanding the right to stay because their illegal actions are going to tear their family apart?

[Noliberals4]

"Just because your child gets across the border that doesn't mean your child gets to stay" - Hillary Clinton, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aydFRXW0DT8

[Daz206]

Late to the news and late to the thread, been insanely busy with work. Anyone want to give a quick crash course in what exactly this new policy entails?

[Retoaded]

Late to the news and late to the thread, been insanely busy with work. Anyone want to give a quick crash course in what exactly this new policy entails?

its not really a new policy, but an enforcement of rules on the books since Slick Willy was in office, that until now were not enforced.

Or at least that is the crux of the debate.

[vatsun]

Low IQ libs are outraged over existing federal immigration law. President Trump wants to clean up the system. Media then spins the narrative and shows kids locked in cages. Propaganda machine out in full force

[NYPat]

OP: It's not humane.

Laws were passed to protect the kids crossing the border, this administration decided to go full black/white autistic and fully and unnecessarily enforce the law and then blame Congress for it.

[Maestro]

Should be deported together if reasonably possible. There's no benefit to the US to hang onto illegal children after all. Also, and this is important, 'think of the children!' is a reliable slogan for manipulating humans, so it makes sense to avoid doing things that look bad.

But They aren't just doing it to the cliche imagery of mexicans running into america from the Arizona desert. Why are border agents taking children away from their parents even when they're coming in through the proper border ports seeking asylum?

[Trapstar4.4]

T-18 hours before kristin niellson gets smoked by the trump bus.

[MakeABanana]

An example has to be made out of someone or some people in order to create change.

Sometimes drastic times call for drastic measures. I doubt Trump enjoys this policy, but sometimes hard decisions have to be made. This is why being a President is such a stressful job.

Maybe illegals will think twice before jumping our borders if it means they'll never see their kids again.

[Ikeman83]

No, not humane.

Children should not be separated from their parents. No reason it is even required.

Enforcing immigration law is one thing, but it should be done humanely. Trying to ensure a "zero-leak" border is unrealistic and will lead to abuses of power as we see here.

So you want to put the children in Prison with their parents?

[Ikeman83]

But They aren't just doing it to the cliche imagery of mexicans running into america from the Arizona desert. Why are border agents taking children away from their parents even when they're coming in through the proper border ports seeking asylum?

They're not. Asylum seekers are kept together.

[Mr Beer]

But They aren't just doing it to the cliche imagery of mexicans running into america from the Arizona desert. Why are border agents taking children away from their parents even when they're coming in through the proper border ports seeking asylum?

I don't know what they are and are not doing, what I'm saying is that it's a bad idea to break families up unless totally unavoidable for a number of reasons, not least of which is that it provides a cause for people to rally around and further undermine border security.

Kind of like when the US took over Abu Ghraib prison and then had wingnuts US troops torturing Iraqis, some of whom were civilians. There's a number of reasons to treat people reasonably humanely, and self interest is one of them.

[elterrible987]

OP: It's not humane.

Laws were passed to protect the kids crossing the border, this administration decided to go full black/white autistic and fully and unnecessarily enforce the law and then blame Congress for it.

They have the option to move back to Mexico, their country of citizenship, to be with their families. I dont see how the US Government is preventing foreign nationals from being with their families.

[wickedman]

I think this might be the greatest example of the media manipulating the tiny brains of the common liberal that I have seen since TDS set in. Start randomly talking about a situation that originated from liberal rule, using images taken under liberal rule, and find a way to try and pin it to Trump. I'm literally mind blown at how stupid the media (accurately) thinks people are.

[fred2367]

I grew up in the deep south and I'm still a registered Republican but I jumped ship a while ago. I think this immigration thing is like the 9th or 10th thing that Americans need to be worried about. The U.S is steadily pissing money down the drain fighting endless wars and doing so by the trillions, yet all of this worry when an immigrant receives free benefits? It's not to say it isn't a problem, but this is not far off from worrying about the stain in the living room rug while the house is on fire.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

I don't get some of you guys. You actually want these illegal immigrants and their kids to just waltz into our country and take advantage of our welfare systems, resources, and other advantages? What about all the other families waiting patiently in line, earning their status and citizenship though proper LEGAL channels? How is it fair to them? What incentive does any LEGAL immigrant have if someone just hops through the border and starts crying boohoo tears and demanding the right to stay because their illegal actions are going to tear their family apart?

Most logical post ITT gets overlooked here.

Take the emotions out of it. They people who should be most outraged by this are the legal immigrants who worked hard and sacrificed to become citizen of this country. They now stand by and watch people just come over, and get plenty of free benefits at no cost.

[cavfiredesire]

I grew up in the deep south and I'm still a registered Republican but I jumped ship a while ago. I think this immigration thing is like the 9th or 10th thing that Americans need to be worried about. The U.S is steadily pissing money down the drain fighting endless wars and doing so by the trillions, yet all of this worry when an immigrant receives free benefits? It's not to say it isn't a problem, but this is not far off from worrying about the stain in the living room rug while the house is on fire.

Except they are undocumented. There is no telling who is coming over and the kind of people they are. They are also a drain on the tax payers to the tune of about 130billion.

I agree that the military spending is ridiculously high and should be curtailed but that is a slightly different conversation though, as the USA in a lot of ways backs up the worlds military. You cannot have people crossing the border with no checks and balances when you have a country with social services. Take Canada for example. We have a border crisis because of a simple tweet, and a pansy PM.

[Aesthetical]

I don't get some of you guys. You actually want these illegal immigrants and their kids to just waltz into our country and take advantage of our welfare systems, resources, and other advantages? What about all the other families waiting patiently in line, earning their status and citizenship though proper LEGAL channels? How is it fair to them? What incentive does any LEGAL immigrant have if someone just hops through the border and starts crying boohoo tears and demanding the right to stay because their illegal actions are going to tear their family apart?

Im not sure who is advocating for that, I certainly am not.

Its really simple.
Turn away the entire family after processing the asylum request when it turns out to be bogus like 95% of them.
Stop wasting my money jailing illegal immigrants.
Stop wasting your money jailing illegal immigrants.
Stop wasting every tax payers money jailing illegal immigrants.
Stop giving our money to corporate shareholders who do not have Americans best interest in mind when it comes to immigration.
Turn away the entire family, separating children from their parents is the biggest piece of chit move you can make.

[LaoHu7]

Border is closed. Don’t come. There will be consequences if you do. And don’t bring your cockroach children either. I think the message will sink in eventually.

[Dan_S]

OP: It's not humane.

Laws were passed to protect the kids crossing the border, this administration decided to go full black/white autistic and fully and unnecessarily enforce the law and then blame Congress for it.

What?

This is what the left has become. Let's only follow the laws we feel are worthwhile. And then say we shouldn't be blaming the people who are actually supposed to make and change laws.

Can't make this stuff up.

[Retoaded]

What?

This is what the left has become. Let's only follow the laws we feel are worthwhile. And then say we shouldn't be blaming the people who are actually supposed to make and change laws.

Can't make this stuff up.

We really live in an alternate reality.

[ichBinBerliner]

They're not. Asylum seekers are kept together.

In most cases they are not. re: Ms. L v ICE

Trump admin changed that policy last year. I never ceases to amaze me just how uninformed misc'ers are.