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    Originally Posted by QuickNutkus View Post
    Why does Chuck Schumer support a border wall on Israel but not America?
    Palestinians don't vote for him. Illegal aliens can and do.

    In 2014, a study released by a team of professors from Old Dominion University and George Mason University estimated that approximately 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted In the 2008 presidential election. They also surmised that 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm election.20 In addition, the study estimated that 80 percent of noncitizens who appeared to have voted cast their ballots in favor of one party. Noncitizens are believed to have voted in these elections in numbers great enough to have affected the outcome.

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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    your wrong
    Those are absolutely peaceful protests

    The Israelies are just shooting people at random, blowing kids up, etc

    Jk, they are f’ing savages
    b b b but shaun king says they are shooting people who are literally just standing there including women, children and disabled people.

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    Originally Posted by dakensta View Post
    Attention. Trump likes attention.
    And when he can't get attention for doing good stuff, he tries to get attention by doing dick stuff.
    Like this. And the Iran deal. And the China "trade war". And The Paris Accord.
    He's an attention-seeking little kid, and if mommy won't pat him on the head for being a good boy, mommy telling him he's a bad boy is better than nothing.
    This makes no sense

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    Originally Posted by GotNext View Post
    Cause a problem, (pretend to) fix the problem you caused, be celebrated by your inbred followers. The usual.

    Israel is the fuked up little brother who antagonizes people because worst case they can come running and have their big brothers (US, EU) fight their fights.
    Are you calling all of trumps followers here inbreds?

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    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    It's amazing how little that place matters to me now. At one point I actually thought it was an important global issue, now its largely a sideshow.

    Honestly don't care who wins, I'd just like the US to totally withdraw from there and let them duke it out (very unrealistic, I know).
    Serious. Let the backwards savages fight amongst themselves.
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    Originally Posted by Postmort3m View Post
    Serious. Let the backwards savages fight amongst themselves.
    Pretty ignorant outlook toward Israel...they're a beacon of technological progress, not only in the region but in the world.

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    Originally Posted by Ten_Hearts View Post
    Back in 95 we were closer to a lasting peace agreement given Oslo Accord II were signed in 1995 so at the time it probably would have been more damaging. Of course with hindsight we know that while steps were made in the 90s a lasting peace agreement was not reached.

    I don't know how Jerusalem will be divided in the final peace agreement but this doesn't help negotiations.
    Don't forget that it was a Right Wing Israeli that killed Rabin along with the peace process.
    Barrak never gave the CONCESSIONS that Rabin said he would.
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    I'd like to know why everyone (or at least the media) conveniently forgets that there are Palestinians in the West Bank that don't have this problem. There are also Palestinians in Israel who don't have this problem.

    The Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are literally governed by terrorists, not much better than ISIS. Why is it that our media likes to act like they're just a bunch of helpless senior citizens in wheelchairs carrying babies? Their only problem is their EXTREMIST (cough cough, Muslim) views, and their TERRORIST government.

    By the way, if the Jews control the world, why does all of the world's media seem to think they're modern day Nazis? Everyone knows if you want to control the world the first thing you do is control the media. Derp.

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    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    It's amazing how little that place matters to me now. At one point I actually thought it was an important global issue, now its largely a sideshow.

    Honestly don't care who wins, I'd just like the US to totally withdraw from there and let them duke it out (very unrealistic, I know).
    Agreed. Incoming charges of antisemitism for not bowing the knee to Israel.
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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja View Post
    Pretty ignorant outlook toward Israel...they're a beacon of technological progress, not only in the region but in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nd_discoveries
    So what.... they are big boys, they can handle themselves.
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    lol. I believe in doing whatever you have to do to win. If the United States (or any other country)was losing a war or needed to use unconventional methods to survive, then whats to stop it? Why should any country listen to some assortment of other countries when it comes to its own people's well-being / survival, unless the other countries can enforce the rules?
    Does your theory apply to Iran and the Palestinians or are you a typical Hipocrite?
    Also, LMFAO at you to think that interference from the US doesn't change the natural outcome in the MIDDLE East. Egypt defeated Israel and destroyed their entire military in 1973 and then the US used Operation Nickelgrass to give Israel a brand new military. Sadat even said "I can defeat Israel, but I can never defeat the US".
    The USSR was so incensed by Operation Nickelgrass that it was going to invade Israel in response. on October 25, 1973, U.S. forces, including Strategic Air Command, Continental Air Defense Command, European Command and the Sixth Fleet, were placed at DEFCON 3 to SAVE ISRAEL FROM THE USSR.
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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja View Post
    Pretty ignorant outlook toward Israel...they're a beacon of technological progress, not only in the region but in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nd_discoveries
    Ok. While all of those advancements are great there comes a time when they have to fight their own battle. It’s like having a friend you go out to the bars with that constantly looks for fights becomes he knows you have his back. At some time you just gotta let them take a beating to knock them down a notch and realize they need to keep their mouth shut.

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    Originally Posted by Sal29 View Post
    Egypt defeated Israel and destroyed their entire military in 1973
    If that was a win for them, I'd hate to see a loss.


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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
    But that makes the assumption that somehow the Palestinians have claim to the land, and the Jews have no right to it. Both assertions are false. The brits owned it, divided it in two, gave each party half. One party said 'awesome', the other party said '**** you' and attacked.

    And here we are. It's literally that simple, no need to get crazy with biblical claims, or 'were 4500 years older than you' even if it's true.
    "Legitimacy" of the claim is meaningless. To the Palestinians they see the Jews as a hostile force that should be destroyed. To the Israelis they mimic your beliefs.

    The one with the power to uphold the claim will inevitably be "correct".

    I have never brought in "Biblical Claims" the one that has claim to the land is the one that has the ability to enforce their laws upon it. As has it been with every group of people sense the beginning of man.
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    Pretty ignorant outlook toward Israel...they're a beacon of technological progress, not only in the region but in the world.

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    Originally Posted by Postmort3m View Post
    The fastest runner at the special olympics is still a retard


    Israel is no different than their surrounding neighbors, just has the U.S. as an ally/ protector.
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    Why don't we just five the Palestinians their land back

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    Originally Posted by Sal29 View Post
    Does your theory apply to Iran and the Palestinians or are you a typical Hipocrite?
    Already addressed that

    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    If the Palestinians want the land, I fully support their right to take it forcibly. I also fully support Israel's right to defend it, or take the Palestinians land by force.
    Palestinians, Iran, and their pals don't have the ability to take anything but donations from Israel and it's friends. Not anyone's problem but their own, but if they harass Israel, don't complain about consequences.

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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
    If that was a win for them, I'd hate to see a loss.


    Just lol.
    If war was the NBA PLAYOFFS, Egypt was up 3-0. The US defeated Egypt, NOT ISRAEL.
    Here's how the US DEFEATED EGYPT.
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    Originally Posted by Renegade83 View Post
    Agreed. Incoming charges of antisemitism for not bowing the knee to Israel.
    Someone's already accused me of that just for saying that I do not want the US fighting Iran based on Bibi's fake news conference, honestly don't care.

    Words like "antisemitic" and "islamophobe" are just noise now, thrown around willy nilly for disagreeing with someone even on tiny issues.
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    Originally Posted by Sal29 View Post
    In war was the NBA PLAYOFFS, Egypt was up 3-0. The US defeated Egypt, NOT ISRAEL.
    Here's how the US DEFEATED EGYPT.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass
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    Anecdotal evidence suggests that Kissinger had told Anwar Sadat that the reason for the U.S. airlift was that the Israelis were close to "going nuclear."[4] However, subsequent interviews with Kissinger, James Schlesinger, and William Quandt suggested that the nuclear aspect was not a major factor in the decision to re-supply. These officials cited the ongoing Soviet re-supply effort and Sadat's early rejection of a ceasefire as the primary motivators.[8]
    So two much larger countries and armies couldn't get the drop in Israel, with the element of surprised, and win at all, let alone without massive preparation and help from the ussr?

    Like I said, if that was a win, I'd hate to see what loss looks like to you.
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    Originally Posted by Postmort3m View Post
    The fastest runner at the special olympics is still a retard


    Israel is no different than their surrounding neighbors, just has the U.S. as an ally/ protector.
    I gave you a chance but you seem completely determined to prove that you're a retard. Mission accomplished.
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    Originally Posted by goody1 View Post
    Ok. While all of those advancements are great there comes a time when they have to fight their own battle. It’s like having a friend you go out to the bars with that constantly looks for fights becomes he knows you have his back. At some time you just gotta let them take a beating to knock them down a notch and realize they need to keep their mouth shut.
    The US has never put boots on the ground in an Israeli war to fight alongside Israel. Britain and France are the only two countries that have intervened with boots on the ground in an Israeli war, and Israel did all of the heavy lifting in the Sinai campaign.
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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja View Post
    The US has never put boots on the ground in an Israeli war to fight alongside Israel. Britain and France are the only two countries that have intervened with boots on the ground in an Israeli war, and Israel did all of the heavy lifting in the Sinai campaign.
    Not disputing that. Just getting tired of the US in any part of the Middle East regardless of the cause. We have enough problems of our own

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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
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    So two much larger countries and armies couldn't get the drop in Israel, with the element of surprised, and win at all, let alone without massive preparation and help from the ussr?

    Like I said, if that was a win, I'd hate to see what loss looks like to you.
    More:

    Don't forget, to start:

    Israel, as well as the US and most of the world, were caught by surprise on October 6, 1973 when Egypt and Syria crossed their borders and attacked Israel from the Sinai and the Golan Heights, respectively. In an attempt to undermine the United States ally, the Arab states were trained, prepared and supplied by Moscow.[1] The Soviet Union had supplied Egypt and Syria over 600 advanced surface-to-air missiles, 300 MiG-21 fighters, 1,200 tanks, and hundreds of thousands of tons of war material.[1]
    Sounds like Egypt kicked ass. Then, in more ass kicking:

    Soviet active aid
    On the Golan front, Syrian forces received direct support from Soviet technicians and military personnel. At the start of the war, there were an estimated 2,000 Soviet personnel in Syria, of whom 1,000 were serving in Syrian air defense units. Soviet technicians repaired damaged tanks, SAMs and radar equipment, assembled fighter jets that arrived via the sealift, and drove tanks supplied by the sealift from ports to Damascus. On both the Golan and Sinai fronts, Soviet military personnel retrieved abandoned Israeli military equipment for shipment to Moscow.[322] Soviet advisors were reportedly present in Syrian command posts "at every echelon, from battalion up, including supreme headquarters". Some Soviet military personnel went into battle with the Syrians, and it was estimated that 20 were killed in action and more were wounded. In July 1974, Israeli Defense Minister Shimon Peres informed the Knesset that high-ranking Soviet officers had been killed on the Syrian front during the war. There were strong rumors that a handful were taken prisoner, but this was denied. However, it was noted that certain Soviet Jews were allowed to emigrate just after the war, leading to suspicions of a covert exchange. The Observer wrote that seven Soviets in uniform were taken prisoner after surrendering when the Israelis overran their bunker. The Israelis reportedly took the prisoners to Ramat David Airbase for interrogation, and treated the incident with great secrecy.[323][324]

    Israeli military intelligence reported that Soviet-piloted MiG-25 Foxbat interceptor/reconnaissance aircraft overflew the Canal Zone.[325]
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    Update: 43 killed, 1700 injured, Israel deployed fighter jets against them
    I'm always glad to see countries protecting their borders from foreign invaders.

    Still confused why Jews get to have their own country when they push the hardest for "multiculturalism" in white nations. Never had anyone explain that in a coherent way. Why don't the Jews just accept "multiculturalism" that they love so much and become ethnic minorities in Israel?

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    Excellent cherry picking abilities you got there!



    So two much larger countries and armies couldn't get the drop in Israel, with the element of surprised, and win at all, let alone without massive preparation and help from the ussr?

    Like I said, if that was a win, I'd hate to see what loss looks like to you.
    I have literally taken college courses on this subject.
    You have NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
    Operation Nickelgrass was ABSOLUTELY the TURNING POINT of the war.

    https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2014...om-kippur-war/
    The US was continuously supplying Israel with equipment from 1967 till the end of the Yom Kippur War and beyond.
    Egypt was destroying Israel. Israel was beating Syria. Egyptian tanks, artillery, etc were protected by a SAM and AAA umbrella that was grinding up the Israeli Air Force like a meat grinder. Egyptian Anti Tank Missiles wiped out more Israeli Tanks than Israelis could have dreamed if in their worst nightmare.
    Syria started begging Egypt to leave the safety of their SAM/AAA Umbrella and go on the offensive to relieve pressure on Syria.
    All the Egyptian Generals refused and said that would be suicide.They said that the maximum speed of their advance was determined by how fast the protective air defense umbrella could move forward. Sadat had to fire the INCREDIBLY COMPETENT GENERALS (that destroyed more Israeli Tanks, planes, artillery, etc than anyone in history) in order to advance on Israel and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
    If Operational Nickelgrass had not happened or Sadat had listened to the Generals. Israel probably wouldn't exist today.
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