~**Official WESTWORLD Season 2 Thread**~ (Spoilers)

[TokenV]

No... no I don't think most people really do.

I sense most people have a surface level understanding, but don't get much beyond that. It's like people telling me they get crypto yet don't know about prime numbers, Diffie-Hellman, etc.

most people don't care to read up after the first watch to know what the episode was actually about

the premise of Westworld (Crichton) was quite entertaining, I honestly don't know why the showrunners needed to change this promising concept into some pseudo-intellectual bull****

[sickserratus]

most people don't care to read up after the first watch to know what the episode was actually about

the premise of Westworld (Crichton) was quite entertaining, I honestly don't know why the showrunners needed to change this promising concept into some pseudo-intellectual bull****

Right... you shouldn't have to look, read up, or rewatch a show to get entertainment out of it. Sure, it can certainly enhance the show and make it more interesting. But if I have to do any of the above for it to be moderately interesting then it's not worth spending my sunday night.

[sickserratus]

Like i said, i thought the finale was good up through the delos/logan scenes ... and then the writer/direct/editors couldn't pull it together after that. They made everything after too complex, wasted the Anthony Hopkins scene, the host heaven fell flat, and answers to MiB character were once again vague. Basically, the first hour was good and the last 30 minutes weren't. Unfortunately, if you blow the last 15-30 minutes of a film/show it almost doesn't matter how good the first half of it was.

I agree completely

[Brad_Pitt]

The concepts and themes are nice and all but anyone familiar with the singularity and Kurzweil will find it's exploration nothing new or engaging.

So it was up to the show runners to make a plot that explores these things in an entertaining manner. Create characters that the audience can root for and be invested in.
Instead they created a bunch everyone hates. (Charlotte, Maeve, Delores). Killed off or shipped off the few they love. (Ford, Ake)

Worst thing is they ran out of dramatic tricks to keep it interesting. How many times can you reveal someone is actually a host? How many times can you kill someone and have the audience care when some iteration of them will return?

There is no weight to what is taking place. Like Bernard said, you killed them all for nothing. And without good story telling and the reliance of pandering themes that aren't groundbreaking, are we watching for nothing?

[IronBrahh]

The concepts and themes are nice and all but anyone familiar with the singularity and Kurzweil will find it's exploration nothing new or engaging.

So it was up to the show runners to make a plot that explores these things in an entertaining manner. Create characters that the audience can root for and be invested in.
Instead they created a bunch everyone hates. (Charlotte, Maeve, Delores). Killed off or shipped off the few they love. (Ford, Ake)

Worst thing is they ran out of dramatic tricks to keep it interesting. How many times can you reveal someone is actually a host? How many times can you kill someone and have the audience care when some iteration of them will return?

There is no weight to what is taking place. Like Bernard said, you killed them all for nothing. And without good story telling and the reliance of pandering themes that aren't groundbreaking, are we watching for nothing?

Yeah fuk this show

[nvrstopworking]

Main plot is simple, conflict of human vs AI and the hybrid or integration, enslavement aftermath of it.

Show runners were not happy with that, so they use cheap timeline tricks to add mystery, confusion and suspense.

No reference point of how advance the rest of the outside world is technology wise. Ford is the only show in town making advanced AI would be bizarre?

Hales escape and infiltration of the outside world might be meaningless or significant, we don't know because we have no real information of the outside world.

Show lazily portrays humans with free rein, as evil, sadistic, and stupid. If you go to a theme park today, you will know your behavior is being watched, so people in the future would definitely be cautious going to an advanced park like Westworld.
To also say humans would use the park to fuk and kill is an over exaggeration when human behavior towards pets would suggest they'd become emotional attached to advanced interactive AI's rather than kill and Fuk.

Ford encourages this reckless behavior anyway,by stating that the hosts are not conscious, yet decries the evil actions by a few guests that then occurs and generalizes that all humans are evil.

If it wasn't for the cheap tricks, like timelines (season 1 big climax was using timelines). The show would be interesting and easier to follow yet keep it's complex plot line.

Lol.... have you kept up with the news at all in the past 20+ years? Hell, do you have any idea at all about human history and behaviour? Are you brand new to the misc? Where people would save their pet over a human being? Where social media, reality shows and celebrity worship have dumbed down the average person and numbed their morals?

Come on man.... you can’t be this naive.

[Nutellala]

Shows definitely getting canceled. No ones going to wait 2 years for the next season after this

[nvrstopworking]

The concepts and themes are nice and all but anyone familiar with the singularity and Kurzweil will find it's exploration nothing new or engaging.

So it was up to the show runners to make a plot that explores these things in an entertaining manner. Create characters that the audience can root for and be invested in.
Instead they created a bunch everyone hates. (Charlotte, Maeve, Delores). Killed off or shipped off the few they love. (Ford, Ake).

Worst thing is they ran out of dramatic tricks to keep it interesting. How many times can you reveal someone is actually a host? How many times can you kill someone and have the audience care when some iteration of them will return?

There is no weight to what is taking place. Like Bernard said, you killed them all for nothing. And without good story telling and the reliance of pandering themes that aren't groundbreaking, are we watching for nothing?

There was no reason to hate Maeve... other than her being a woman. She was one of the most compelling characters in the show. And I’m not sure why people would hate Dolores tbh. She was brutal because she was a puppet/slave for most of her existence and was subjected to unspeakable acts at the hands of humans time and time again. Would you have hated Spartacus if he was a woman too?

Hale’s character was the only real cardboard cut-out that lacked depth. Could have done a lot more with her.

[TokenV]

There was no reason to hate Maeve... other than her being a woman. She was one of the most compelling characters in the show. And I’m not sure why people would hate Dolores tbh. She was brutal because she was a puppet/slave for most of her existence and was subjected to unspeakable acts at the hands of humans time and time again. Would you have hated Spartacus if he was a woman too?

Hale’s character was the only real cardboard cut-out that lacked depth. Could have done a lot more with her.

no, but if he was a droid I probably would have lol

[IYIaYBe]

No... no I don't think most people really do.

I sense most people have a surface level understanding, but don't get much beyond that. It's like people telling me they get crypto yet don't know about prime numbers, Diffie-Hellman, etc.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Westworld. The metaphors are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of philosophy of mind most of the metaphors will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Ford’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these metaphors, to realise that they’re not just smart- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Westword truly ARE philistines- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the metaphors in Ford’s existential maze, which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Jonathan Nolan’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.


















The show is total chit

[faxanadu]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Westworld. The metaphors are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of philosophy of mind most of the metaphors will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Ford’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these metaphors, to realise that they’re not just smart- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Westword truly ARE philistines- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the metaphors in Ford’s existential maze, which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Jonathan Nolan’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.


















The show is total chit

[JonathanN173]

Season 2 finale was pretty much like the entire 2nd season
Complete cluster fukk with a very few good moments
Overall season 2 was some try hard pretentious chitshow

[Miked1978]

Can someone help explain the Logan storyline?

Yes I am slow.

[TimeTravelerBro]

Shows definitely getting canceled. No ones going to wait 2 years for the next season after this

This

That finale was a convaluted mess. Fuk that chit

[buckeyenutz]

I stopped about episode 5'ish, assuming it's not worth finishing?

[Kev1972]

Can someone help explain the Logan storyline?

Yes I am slow.

He was a junkie and OD'd. The end.

[IH8RICE]

Can someone help explain the Logan storyline?

Yes I am slow.

Logan was Williams brother in law.
He’s an alcoholic and abuser of other things.
Him and William had a falling out while at the park(presumably while he was clean) and William sent him on his way into the desert on a horse. He was later rescued after going somewhat looney.
He relapses and becomes an abuser again
He goes to his father (Delos) for help because he’s really hit rock bottom and he turns his back on him
He commits suicide 6 months later
He is the physical manifestation of the program at the forge

[IH8RICE]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Westworld. The metaphors are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of philosophy of mind most of the metaphors will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Ford’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these metaphors, to realise that they’re not just smart- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Westword truly ARE philistines- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the metaphors in Ford’s existential maze, which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Jonathan Nolan’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

[JonathanN173]

Not aware?

[IH8RICE]

Not aware?

I am, had to post anyway. It’s more or less for the idiot that originally posted it on reddit.

[Critter5592]

I stopped about episode 5'ish, assuming it's not worth finishing?

I personally would say no. The season had its good moments (mostly early on), but overall with the finale fresh in mind, I was dissapointed. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I lost interest and the mystery/intrigue was swapped out for boredom.



Also, I know you have to just let certain things go when it comes to tv, but...

brb have the technology to emulate humans to an extreme
brb riding around in 2010 razors
brb no formation, security just advancing on a fortress of soldiers getting mowed down
brb soldier seduced by robot that was just killing all his friends

[dupaloop3611]

the end with MIB was frickin amazing

[ausman!]

So whats been found out by the nerds on reddit is this



It directs to a site in which Delos has been storing all information about its guests. Because of the way the information about the video logs are stored, theres two ways to interpret the info:

In the Westworld Universe, people live for hundreds of years. The time between the scene of young william and James Delos talking about investing more money into Westworld and the suicide of Williams daughter was 250+ years

or

The william host in the post credits scene has been in a loop for 100's of years. Each time he has the same choices

full thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/c...rofile_in_the/

[Dan_S]

There was no reason to hate Maeve... other than her being a woman. She was one of the most compelling characters in the show. And I’m not sure why people would hate Dolores tbh. She was brutal because she was a puppet/slave for most of her existence and was subjected to unspeakable acts at the hands of humans time and time again. Would you have hated Spartacus if he was a woman too?

Hale’s character was the only real cardboard cut-out that lacked depth. Could have done a lot more with her.

Like Brad_Pitt said, there was no weight to anything these characters did. Maeve had two entire seasons devoted to her breaking out and it was all worthless in the end. There was no payoff. That's not entertaining. She becomes the most powerful host in the show who can control other hosts, and does what with that?

Ford creates this incredibly resource intensive "escape" for the hosts, but it's all for nothing because his real goal was to have a single host escape, and only like 100 made it anyway. All those people dying, hosts dying, park destroyed, so...Dolores can leave the park?

And speaking of, what the hell kind of whacked out motivation does a character like Ford have? He must really hate humanity for any of this to make sense.

Dolores is hated because she has no redeeming features. Why should anyone relate to her? The entire season after she "wakes up" she runs around saying she has all the answers but not explaining why. And then she becomes the final arbiter for every other host, killing them because she doesn't deem them deserving of the promised land. Oh, but then we find out the Valley beyond is for all of the hosts and literally none of what Dolores has done makes any sense. Worse, she apparently knew the entire time that the goal was for her to leave, so why murder all these hosts?

Just face it, this season made no sense. It's another LOST where they had a good idea for the first season but never fleshed out where they wanted it to go. So they made it up on the fly. Heck, I read that the security guy being a host was decided the night before they filmed it.

[2RDEYE]

Like Brad_Pitt said, there was no weight to anything these characters did. Maeve had two entire seasons devoted to her breaking out and it was all worthless in the end. There was no payoff. That's not entertaining. She becomes the most powerful host in the show who can control other hosts, and does what with that?

The point was that she made a choice. She didn't choose to escape. She chose to find her daughter, which didn't go too well.

Dolores is hated because she has no redeeming features. Why should anyone relate to her? The entire season after she "wakes up" she runs around saying she has all the answers but not explaining why. And then she becomes the final arbiter for every other host, killing them because she doesn't deem them deserving of the promised land. Oh, but then we find out the Valley beyond is for all of the hosts and literally none of what Dolores has done makes any sense. Worse, she apparently knew the entire time that the goal was for her to leave, so why murder all these hosts?

Dolores tried to explain it but none of the hosts really understood because she's the only one who's been in the real world. She was the only one there since the beginning with Arnold. She didn't murder any hosts, She just stopped them from killing themselves. The forge is controversial as far as "living" goes.

Ford creates this incredibly resource intensive "escape" for the hosts, but it's all for nothing because his real goal was to have a single host escape, and only like 100 made it anyway. All those people dying, hosts dying, park destroyed, so...Dolores can leave the park?

And speaking of, what the hell kind of whacked out motivation does a character like Ford have? He must really hate humanity for any of this to make sense.

That's not the point... the point was he wanted the hosts to have free will. And possible prepare them for survival in the real world. The motivation for Ford was that he realized how horrible the park was because hosts were essentially able to become conscious, Arnold figured this out really early, but Ford didn't fully realize the hell he created until after Arnold died.

I don't know if you guys are actually listening or just watching the scenes go by, seriously, yeah there is a lot of badly written stuff, but most things make sense at the very least.

You guys need to watch some more philosophical shows or movies, I actually think it'd help give you a better understanding of shows like Westworld. Movies like the thin red line, lost in translation, shows/movies that make you question life and ponder things. Blade runner is horrible imo, ghost in the shell would be better, but blade runner sort of has the same running theme as westworld. "have you ever questioned the nature of your reality" is like the tagline of westworld.

[LFAesthetics]

That's not the point... the point was he wanted the hosts to have free will. And possible prepare them for survival in the real world. The motivation for Ford was that he realized how horrible the park was because hosts were essentially able to become conscious, Arnold figured this out really early, but Ford didn't fully realize the hell he created until after Arnold died.

I don't know if you guys are actually listening or just watching the scenes go by, seriously, yeah there is a lot of badly written stuff, but most things make sense at the very least.

You guys need to watch some more philosophical shows or movies, I actually think it'd help give you a better understanding of shows like Westworld. Movies like the thin red line, lost in translation, shows/movies that make you question life and ponder things. Blade runner is horrible imo, ghost in the shell would be better, but blade runner sort of has the same running theme as westworld.

I struggle with this simply because it seemed like when he was alive he was all about his new narrative and developing the park etc.. I also don't know if he meant to have Dolores kill him or not, seems rather weird he was in perfect health otherwise it seemed, he didn't become a host, bernard deleted him from his code...

Unless thats the point? he killed himself because he couldn't live with what he created and wanted to set the Hosts free to do whatever they wanted as people?

[AgRyan]

You guys need to watch some more philosophical shows or movies, I actually think it'd help give you a better understanding of shows like Westworld.

[Dan_S]

I struggle with this simply because it seemed like when he was alive he was all about his new narrative and developing the park etc.. I also don't know if he meant to have Dolores kill him or not, seems rather weird he was in perfect health otherwise it seemed, he didn't become a host, bernard deleted him from his code...

Unless thats the point? he killed himself because he couldn't live with what he created and wanted to set the Hosts free to do whatever they wanted as people?

Akechata episode kind of disproved that one though. Ford told him the Deathbringer would kill him soon, and that's when Akechata should go looking for the door again.

I'm really surprised there are people saying we're all just too stupid to understand the themes. This whole season has been universally panned. There are plenty of intelligent people that can recognize chit writing.

[IH8RICE]

the end with MIB was frickin amazing

How so?

[dupaloop3611]

How so?

because he was a host the whole time