fkin LMFAO @ Atheism, only retards think it’s a logical worldview.

[Alchem]

They’re usually the type of people that say chit like “I ****ING LOVE SCIENCE!”

Like how can you even arrive at that position? the world and existence itself don’t even make sense, why is there even existence rather than non-existence? “OOO THERE WAS NOTHING, THEN THE WORLD JUST POPPED” “OOOO THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY INFINITE” even though infinite regress is obviously logically unsound.

Cmon I respect people that say “I don’t know”, these are the intelligent people. But Atheists are just rebellious morons that don’t like religion, so they go the opposite way. They’re emotional and not rational.

[OPGenesis]

Its never sounded like a coherent worldview, that is always why I've rejected it.

[Furybox]

But if "I don't know" is reasonable, then (and this is my view), is it not reasonable to say:
a) humans may know much less than we think we do, and may be incapable of ever understanding the complete origins of the universe; and
b) therefore there are potentially infinite explanations and
c) therefore believing in a god which are themselves human concepts is definitely incorrect?

I.e. My view is "I don't know, but I strongly believe that there is no such thing as 'god' therefore I am atheist"

[Cleveland33]

I.e. My view is "I don't know, but I strongly believe that there is no such thing as 'god' therefore I am atheist"

No, you're an agnostic

[Vito-C]

[Rabbitjb]

it's not up to atheists to prove the non existence of a fictional being

[EmmaW4tson]

Because ol' religious people have a better idea? None of you religious nuts/athiests know **** but evolution is real.

[Tha big kahoona]

I never found 2 nudists taking dietary advice from a talking snake to be very logical tbh

[BrocepCurls]

I never found 2 nudists taking dietary advice from a talking snake to be very logical tbh

b..b..but that bit was metaphorical

[OPGenesis]

I never found 2 nudists taking dietary advice from a talking snake to be very logical tbh

God =/= religion.

You can make arguments for God w/o invoking religion.

I know this doesn't make a difference for you because you're sold on atheism, but just saying.

[InstantLoser]

[PSToolman]

No, you're an agnostic

As are all scientists.

[PSToolman]

b..b..but that bit was metaphorical

So is God.

[RmBoyos]

western civilisation was founded on religious principles - and gave us a moral compass

im not religious myself - but to discard the impact on western society would be silly

[greedyfly13]

ya it makes way more sense that there was just an all powerful all knowing diety that was in existence. just lol at people who study astronomy, physics and biology and ****. lol all the answers we need are in the bible. atheists are so dumb why cant they be smart like me and see that there 100% has to be one God. monotheism is the obvious truth.

[Sakeoe]

You see, the reason you fail to grasp this is because you think at some point there was nothing. This is untrue.

[Irezumi]

No you're right... It's much more logical to follow a man who spread his beliefs through rape, sodomy, and the sword.

[OPGenesis]

No you're right... It's much more logical to follow a man who spread his beliefs through rape, sodomy, and the sword.

Not an argument.

[Tha big kahoona]

God =/= religion.

You can make arguments for God w/o invoking religion.

I know this doesn't make a difference for you because you're sold on atheism, but just saying.

Religion is obviously silly, but if you asked me whether some.kind of supernatural force exists, I'd tell you I have no idea. I don't think one does, but I don't rule it out with complete certainty. That said, if one does exist, it is undoubtedly a phucking dickhead

[sawoobley]

But if "I don't know" is reasonable, then (and this is my view), is it not reasonable to say:
a) humans may know much less than we think we do, and may be incapable of ever understanding the complete origins of the universe; and
b) therefore there are potentially infinite explanations and
c) therefore believing in a god which are themselves human concepts is definitely incorrect?

I.e. My view is "I don't know, but I strongly believe that there is no such thing as 'god' therefore I am atheist"

You can't know belief in God is strictly a man made concept. Given the universality of that belief it suggests otherwise.

[Dave22reborn]

I believe Zues, God of Thunder created the universe. Is that wrong?

[JaxBrah]

personally, the only truly reasonable and rational position to take is agnostic. The existence of god is soemthing none of us can say with certaintly on either side.

i understand the burden of proof is on the believer here but even in that sense agnostic is more reasonable than atheist. Untill the atheist can PROVE a creator does not exist then atheism itself is a fallible argument as well. Logically, you HAVE to be agnostic because you truly dont know there is no creator. Which is why its bizarre seeing so many “philosphical” minds out there who fall in the realm of atheism. The entire idea of philisophy is to think agnostically. Thats part of why I respect religious people more than atheists (excluding islam) , especially Christians. Christians have formed a morality system and way of life that has shaped western culture into the great thing it truly is. Whether an atheist wants to admit it or not, their way of life and moral code they take for granted all comes from Judeo-Christian flundations.

i will remain a hopefull agnostic untill they can prove, with satisfaction, where exactly the universe, matter, and conciousness came from.

[sooby]

atheism doesn't say god or some sort of creator doesn't exist for sure as a 100% fact. atheism dismisses religious claims based on a lack of evidence where as religious people rely on faith and 1000's of years old scriptures.

[PSToolman]

Honestly I find believing in the existence of God is pretty easy to accept. Believing in the nature of God is impossible.

[Maestro]

personally, the only truly reasonable and rational position to take is agnostic. The existence of god is soemthing none of us can say with certaintly on either side.

i understand the burden of proof is on the believer here but even in that sense agnostic is more reasonable than atheist. Untill the atheist can PROVE a creator does not exist then atheism itself is a fallible argument as well. Logically, you HAVE to be agnostic because you truly dont know there is no creator.

The burden of proof is still valid due to the scale of what god is. If I said, the earth was flat, then that is something an atheist can go out and prove to be false, but the concept of the feats of a god (especially the abrahamic gods) are so fantastical and ridiculous that it would be unfair to put that "burden" on the person that doesn't believe, because if that was the case, any one can make up any ol' "thing" with no proof, create a bunch of feel good stories and laws behind it and then get mad because people don't believe in it.

I'm a deist, I believe there is a "Being" out there but it either doesn't know we exists, or it knows, and simply doesn't care. It never telepathically communicated to the minds of sheep herders in only one period of time thousands of years ago and told them to make a book of laws with oddly specific rules under the threat of eternal damnation if we don't follow them. Just listen to how preposterous that sounds.

I'm with Carl Sagan on this one; "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence."

[Cleveland33]

If I said, the earth was flat, then that is something an atheist can go out and prove to be false

oh you'd think that - but some people can ignore all the evidence in the world when presented to them.

[Maestro]

Religion is obviously silly, but if you asked me whether some.kind of supernatural force exists, I'd tell you I have no idea. I don't think one does, but I don't rule it out with complete certainty. That said, if one does exist, it is undoubtedly a phucking dickhead

Due to the scope of what a supernatural force is and what it supposedly has the power to do, its more logical to assume that it doesn't exist. It could exist, but it most likely doesn't.

[Tha big kahoona]

Due to the scope of what a supernatural force is and what it supposedly has the power to do, its more logical to assume that it doesn't exist. It could exist, but it most likely doesn't.

Agreed

[Maestro]

oh you'd think that - but some people can ignore all the evidence in the world when presented to them.

lol yeah, I probably shouldn't have used that as an analogy, especially on this forum.

[Maestro]

Its never sounded like a coherent worldview, that is always why I've rejected it.

If there is a god, which one do you believe in? If I had to wager i'd say you'd believe in the christian god simply because its what you were culturally raise with. A Cultural belief doesn't make something true, Don't believe me? Just ask Mromons that travel all over the world trying to convert people of other cultures to their brand of christianity. Also Remember, if you pick the wrong one then the true god will more than likely send you to a realm of eternal damnation for worshiping the wrong Being.

Hell, perhaps the its the Greek or Aztec gods that are the real ones and everyone is hell-bound because no one worships them anymore. Just because something is popular (Christianity and Islam) doesn't make is true. You know what else is popular and easy to do? Indulging in sin. Maybe Christianity is a religion concocted by satan for the world to worship a false god, and the one true religion (say, the Aztec religion) is the one true faith......funny thing is, you have no way to prove me wrong.

THATS why believing that there is a "god" that has set out rules and laws for us down to minute details is silly.

You can make arguments for God w/o invoking religion.

This point is true, there are billions of people out there that need religion to "scare them straight" or else they'd rape and pillage or simply kill themselves. Thats why I don't think religion should cease to exist, but I don't want people shoving it down my throat or exacting judgement on people for not believing in what they believe. Thats where bearded fedora wearing militant atheists are born from. People speaking in absolutes with no proof of their claims except for a 6kyo book with no quantifiable means of proving anything in the book to be true.