Pendlay row or Barbell row for upper back?

[GetReadyPhil]

I have always done barbell overhand rows for my back, and now i really start to see that my lats is overpowering my back and that my upper back and traps are weak.

Does pendlay row works the upper back more?

[zGwild]

I have always done barbell overhand rows for my back, and now i really start to see that my lats is overpowering my back and that my upper back and traps are weak.

Does pendlay row works the upper back more?

If done properly yes. Your arms should not be close to the body. They should be away from the body like when you bench press. elbows at 45 degrees or so and bar pulled to the chest

[GetReadyPhil]

If done properly yes. Your arms should not be close to the body. They should be away from the body like when you bench press. elbows at 45 degrees or so and bar pulled to the chest

You talk about the pendlay row now?

[GetReadyPhil]

Does pendlay row work the upper back and middle back better then the bent over barbell row?

Thinking about switching bb row with pendlay rows because i lack upper back muscles

[zGwild]

Does pendlay row work the upper back and middle back better then the bent over barbell row?

Thinking about switching bb row with pendlay rows because i lack upper back muscles

yes

[Mrpb]

It depends on the specific form you're using. Most people tend to be more upright with a barbell row vs. pendlay row. This generally means it will work more upper back.

[Luca2]

It depends on the specific form you're using. Most people tend to be more upright with a barbell row vs. pendlay row. This generally means it will work more upper back.

This. Also, you will typically be able to move more weight with a barbell row, making it better suited to hypertrophy, while Pendlays may be better suited to developing power/speed.

[ECGordyn]

The wider your grip on the bar, and the higher you pull to your torso (i.e., pull to the chest), the more you work upper back (traps, teres, rhomboids, rear delts). Pendlay rows put you in this position, so there is less lat engagement than with barbell rows. With barbell rows, the tendency is to pull into your abs, which engages lats more, even though your torso angle is more upright.

[GetReadyPhil]

Do i need bent over barbell row in my program if i have pendlay rows and dumbell rows?

[DCSpartan]

Guys, a pendlay row is a bent over barbell row.

Overthinking this . . .

[ECGordyn]

Guys, a pendlay row is a bent over barbell row.

Overthinking this . . .

I think everyone is trying to explain the difference between a Pendlay/Barbell row with back parallel to the floor, and a Barbell row with torso angled up, and explain how the different postures target different muscles in the back. OP asked about upper back, so we started splitting hairs.

[Mrpb]

Guys, a pendlay row is a bent over barbell row.

A pendlay row is a barbell row starting from the floor at every rep.

The bodybuilding barbell row looks like this: https://www.bodybuilding.com/exercis...er-barbell-row

Do i need bent over barbell row in my program if i have pendlay rows and dumbell rows?

What are your other back exercises? Pull ups?

What program are you on?

You probably shouldn't be designing your own program.

[GetReadyPhil]

So pendlay row is better for upper back?

[sooby]

why not include them both, OR cycle the two exercises from time to time.

pendlay row emphasizes more upper back.

[iliketojuggle]

Do rack pulls for upper back

[GetReadyPhil]

Why does pendlay row hit upper back more then barbell row?

[sooby]

Why does pendlay row hit upper back more then barbell row?

90 degree back angle and 90 degree elbow flare, the less your angle on both of these the more lats you will hit.

[blue9steel]

This. Also, you will typically be able to move more weight with a barbell row, making it better suited to hypertrophy, while Pendlays may be better suited to developing power/speed.

I could see more weight with a Yates rows due to the angle, but I'm having trouble seeing how you'd do more on a controlled exercise like barbell rows than a dynamic one like Pendlay rows.

[melDorado]

For upper back i like strict wide grip BB seal rows

[GetReadyPhil]

Any better exercices/rows for upper back then pendlay row?

[DCSpartan]

Do rack pulls for upper back

Why? Thats a lower back/hip flexors exercise lol.

[FLChamp]

why not include them both, OR cycle the two exercises from time to time.

Pretty much. The movements are very interchangeable. I really like both variations for assisting my log press in the offseason for Strongman.

[Luca2]

I could see more weight with a Yates rows due to the angle, but I'm having trouble seeing how you'd do more on a controlled exercise like barbell rows than a dynamic one like Pendlay rows.

Traps contribute more to the movement due to the torso angle, hence the higher weight on BORs for most people. A little momentum is acceptable on BORs as well.

[Luca2]

Why? Thats a lower back/hip flexors exercise lol.

Rack pulls work the traps isometrically in the same way that a deadlift does, but with heavier loads due to shorter ROM.

[GetReadyPhil]

Does this cover enough for back?
Deadlift
Pull ups
Db rows
Pendlay row
Face pulls

[GetReadyPhil]

Is pendlay row or bent over barbell row best for hypertrophy in the upper back?

[davisj3537]

Does this cover enough for back?
Deadlift
Pull ups
Db rows
Pendlay row
Face pulls

Probably

Is pendlay row or bent over barbell row best for hypertrophy in the upper back?

Be more specific about the type of bent over row you want to do...include a video or picture. There is only one way to do a pendlay, but there are a dozen ways to do a bent over row.

Pendlays are just a specific type of bent over row.

[Mrpb]

Does this cover enough for back?
Deadlift
Pull ups
Db rows
Pendlay row
Face pulls

It would but if that's your program it's probably a very suboptimal program.

Like I mentioned earlier, the type of questions you're asking suggest that you shouldn't be designing your own program.

[philip750]

What row verison hits the upper back the most?

[Mrpb]

What row verison hits the upper back the most?

Any row that has you pull high to the chest. For example a seated row with the seat in a low position, like this: https://www.rehabmart.com/imagesfrom...dRowFemale.jpg