Good bye "Out of Africa". 10 MILLION year old hominin teeth found in Europe

[badreligion]

Only in 2017 would a scientific discovery like this turn into an issue of racism ...

[tk217]

We aren't neanderthals.

[Kreuzritter]

Only in 2017 would a scientific discovery like this turn into an issue of racism ...

.... maybe your limited thoughts could only comprehend such.
for generations we were taught emotional babble that race is only skin deep when such a thing would literally discredit genealogy and anthropology.. there is nothing wrong with REAL diversity.. acknowledging the fact we are different in more ways than skin color is not a negative and would only be seen as such by a liberal who wants to live in a fantasy land.

[tk217]

.... maybe your limited thoughts could only comprehend such.
for generations we were taught emotional babble that race is only skin deep when such a thing would literally discredit genealogy and anthropology.. there is nothing wrong with REAL diversity.. acknowledging the fact we are different in more ways than skin color is not a negative and would only be seen as such by a liberal who wants to live in a fantasy land.

Race isn't even real.

It is a social concept.

Your skin color doesn't make you less of a homosapiensapien.

[US_Ranger]

- Seemingly no prominent paleoanthropologist agrees with the findings of this museum director, Herbert Lutz. Sauce: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...story-science/
- It also doesn't appear the manuscript was accepted by a peer reviewed journal -- "Mainzer naturwissenschaftliches archiv" appears to be the museum's publication.


Cliffs:
- fake news

Everyone going to ignore this article?

I wouldn't call it fake news. I'd call it more of a wait, watch and listen for the next year or so until they do studies on the tooth/teeth.

"Out of Africa"



I am not an anthropologist. I have never seen a human skull in my entire, and even to me "Out of Africa" sounds like absurdity. African Americans are out of Africa, and they look no different than Africans. If we are out of Africa, how is it that we look like an entire different species? That is not an open ended question. This genuinely touches my curiosity, could an expert chime in?

Sigh...

Because it's only been so many years since humans have started interbreeding again after thousands of years separated. Let's say humans left Africa 70,000 years ago. That means the humans that stayed in Africa during that time were isolated due to geography from the ones that left. The ones that went to Europe cross-bred with Neanderthals apparently. The ones that went to Asia might have had contact with modern homo erectus. The ones that went to Australia eventually became isolated from oceans rising (aboriginies), etc. Meanwhile, modern time comes along (last few hundred years) and people start intermingling again because technology allows it.

So that's modern day. You have people who's lineage never left Africa for the last 70,000 years vs people who have been cross-breeding for 70,000 years across Europe, Asia, pacific islands, etc. Of course there is going to be some difference in skin, skull shape, disease protection/weakness and (even though no one will EVER study it because they'll be shut down immediately) there might even be slight changes in brain chemistry.

We're not different species, we're just different in the last XX,000 years. White people (apparently) have 1-3% neanderthal DNA compared to black people. Aboriginies are extremely isolated. Pacific islanders have a mix of Asian and African lineage. The list goes on and on. A lot can happen in thousands of years.

[US_Ranger]

There was some professor when I went to OSU that was publishing papers that Asians were not homo sapiens but were some other branch of human evolution. He got told to stop talking about it. Never did read the paper, but I know he dedicated decades to it.

Crazy stuff out there.

And THIS is the problem.

All these things should be explored but PC culture will cut funding and fire someone if they so much as question the official narrative. I would love for someone to do brain scans of people who's family tree has stayed in Africa vs mainland Asia vs mainland Australia vs native American vs European

It would be super interesting but if someone even suggested that, they would be fired on the spot.

[SixThree205]

You need time plus environmental pressure. Since Eskimos live where the snow reflects the sun, it makes sense that they would have squint eyes as an example. The differences between humans alive now are mostly cosmetic, since having light skin in the African plains doesn't mean a death sentence anymore. There's a reason we are classified as one species. Also, there are many hybrid animals that are fertile.

That would make sense if Nordics weren't as far from squint-eyed as possible despite inhabiting an equally cold region for a longer amount of time. (And inb4 Sami people, who have a heavy admixture of Asian/Mongoloid blood due to "recent" migrations).

What makes more sense is that the Mongoloid race, which evolved from one subspecies of homo erectus, migrated over to the Americas.

That would explain why Native Peruvians--and Native South Americans in general--look so much like Mongolians.

[beowulf10]

Now maybe we can address massively blatant gaps in IQ.

Well, first you have to actually give an actual IQ test, not make up the data, BEFORE you put a nice, pretty color on the map.

You also have to take into account differences in nutrition and upbringing.

This is what happens to your brain when you are neglected as an infant:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...wo-brains.html

[beowulf10]

This tooth is 9.7 million years old. I don't know how useful it is in trying to help with racist arguments about Europeans being more super awesome than everyone else.

The genetic evidence and the paleontological evidence converge and give much more weight to a recent Out of Africa migration. They have bones of modern humans dated to specific time periods for specific geographic regions and continents. They see the rate of mutation in the genetic code and they can tell when the divergence between the various populations occurred. And, yes, they see a little mix of Neanderthal DNA in Europeans, and yes, they see a little mix of Denisovan in Asians, but that doesn't somehow erase all the other DNA that appears to have come directly out of Africa about 70,000 years ago.

Also, this isn't the first piece of evidence suggesting some hominin species found their way to Europe.

http://www.newsweek.com/first-homini...olution-613494

Also, it's quite possible that the first hominins split from the apes in Europe, and then traveled back to Africa.

[beowulf10]

.... maybe your limited thoughts could only comprehend such.
for generations we were taught emotional babble that race is only skin deep when such a thing would literally discredit genealogy and anthropology.. there is nothing wrong with REAL diversity.. acknowledging the fact we are different in more ways than skin color is not a negative and would only be seen as such by a liberal who wants to live in a fantasy land.

Race is only skin deep because human beings all over the world aren't that much different from each other genetically. Skin color differences can be accounted for on the basis of only a handful of genes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/s...olor-race.html

People make a big deal about Europeans being part Neanderthal, but Neanderthals were already 99.5% identical to humans.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that we are different, but others will certainly question the motives of people that keep insisting that genetic diversity gives Europeans the right to treat sub-Saharan Africans like they are not human beings.

[TitusVII]

Good that no one knows that I have placed that teeth there. Feels good.

[TheAdlerian]

Race is only skin deep because human beings all over the world aren't that much different from each other genetically. Skin color differences can be accounted for on the basis of only a handful of genes.

People make a big deal about Europeans being part Neanderthal, but Neanderthals were already 99.5% identical to humans.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that we are different, but others will certainly question the motives of people that keep insisting that genetic diversity gives Europeans the right to treat sub-Saharan Africans like they are not human beings.

Yeah, Neanderthals were humans or else they couldn't have mated.

I assume that anything that looks like a human and can mate, is a human and all attempts to say they're different is just artificial bad science.

[TitusVII]

It's weird on some places people tell you there are no races then on other places there are races I honestly don't get it. Like you will find legit wikipedia pages that use the term races then some scientist explain to you why there are no human races. Also as an example look at the Aboriginees. They are very different in aspects of intelligence etc and very different in general. I would call that a different human race.

[beowulf10]

4. Given 3, look are Native Americans. About 12K years ago, what amounts to Chinese people came to the North America and their whole bodies changed in that amount of time. Native Americans kind of look like a white people and Asian combo, all largely due to diet and weather conditions.

There is a reason Native Americans look like a mix of Asians and Europeans.

They are a mix of Asians and Europeans:

"Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome."

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...eria-genetics/

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So all the Trumpers saying Mexicans are savages and should be immediately deported are seemingly ignorant that not only are Mexicans Half Native American and Half Spanish, the half that is Native American was already 1/3 European.

Further: all the SJW and liberals saying evil white people from Europe stole the Native American land have to revise their arguments because, in a way, Europeans were already here.

[TheAdlerian]

There is a reason Native Americans look like a mix of Asians and Europeans.

They are a mix of Asians and Europeans:

"Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome."

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...eria-genetics/

Wow!

That's fascinating.

[beowulf10]

It's weird on some places people tell you there are no races then on other places there are races I honestly don't get it. Like you will find legit wikipedia pages that use the term races then some scientist explain to you why there are no human races. Also as an example look at the Aboriginees. They are very different in aspects of intelligence etc and very different in general. I would call that a different human race.

The universe has zero obligation to conform to your preconceptions. Human genetics isn't nice and tidy. The history of the human species did not take place in discrete chunks. The diversity of human genetics is a spectrum. It's not a cabinet with little drawers where black people go in one drawer, white people in another drawer, etc.

The terms we use are arbitrary bookmarks. They are temporary place holders that we use to gain further knowledge.

Yes, Aboriginal Australians are a little different.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...eria-genetics/

"People from Papua New Guinea and north-east Australia carry small amounts of DNA of an unidentified, extinct human species, a new research analysis has suggested."

What word do you want to use to describe this difference?

At the end of the day, does it matter which word we choose?

[KingSWRV]

Everyone going to ignore this article?

I wouldn't call it fake news. I'd call it more of a wait, watch and listen for the next year or so until they do studies on the tooth/teeth.



Sigh...

Because it's only been so many years since humans have started interbreeding again after thousands of years separated. Let's say humans left Africa 70,000 years ago. That means the humans that stayed in Africa during that time were isolated due to geography from the ones that left. The ones that went to Europe cross-bred with Neanderthals apparently. The ones that went to Asia might have had contact with modern homo erectus. The ones that went to Australia eventually became isolated from oceans rising (aboriginies), etc. Meanwhile, modern time comes along (last few hundred years) and people start intermingling again because technology allows it.

So that's modern day. You have people who's lineage never left Africa for the last 70,000 years vs people who have been cross-breeding for 70,000 years across Europe, Asia, pacific islands, etc. Of course there is going to be some difference in skin, skull shape, disease protection/weakness and (even though no one will EVER study it because they'll be shut down immediately) there might even be slight changes in brain chemistry.

We're not different species, we're just different in the last XX,000 years. White people (apparently) have 1-3% neanderthal DNA compared to black people. Aboriginies are extremely isolated. Pacific islanders have a mix of Asian and African lineage. The list goes on and on. A lot can happen in thousands of years.

Pretty much this. Its not that complicated.

But the way science is so politicized it gets in the way of truth and well... science.

Life is so precious and self awareness so vital and important to the human condition. The fact that these uncultured socially inexperienced, racially underdeveloped, behind the times, supposedly-intelligent "handlers" of science listen to and enable the looneys who want to make it about race is what is so misguided. Like as if one can't exist without the other. They are projecting their own prejudices and basterdizing/warping "scientific concensus" to where the very term loses all credibility. These are morally bad people to the core. Morally bankrupt spineless narcissists.

[aragon416]

brb miscers always complain everything is about race
brb thread about 10 million year old teeth in Europe
brb make it about race

[SlothLord]

The Indians here in Washington State have been desperately trying to suppress public knowledge of Kennewick Man, the 5,000 year old remains of a white man that proves gringos were here first.
Last I read, I think they re-buried the skeleton on federal land and the government declared it off limits lol

[brighamw]

The Indians here in Washington State have been desperately trying to suppress public knowledge of Kennewick Man, the 5,000 year old remains of a white man that proves gringos were here first.
Last I read, I think they re-buried the skeleton on federal land and the government declared it off limits lol

I wonder if they'd allow it to be dug up for some blankets, beads and firewater...

[SixThree205]

Race is only skin deep because human beings all over the world aren't that much different from each other genetically. Skin color differences can be accounted for on the basis of only a handful of genes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/s...olor-race.html

People make a big deal about Europeans being part Neanderthal, but Neanderthals were already 99.5% identical to humans.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that we are different, but others will certainly question the motives of people that keep insisting that genetic diversity gives Europeans the right to treat sub-Saharan Africans like they are not human beings.

I question the motives of people/scientists/think tanks/Frankfurt School & Boas fanatics who keep shrieking that there's "one race the human race" when that's clearly a bunch of hogwash. And nobody in this thread talked about subjugating sub-Saharan Africans.

And fook skin colour differences, which everyone is so eager to talk about because it's seemingly superficial. Let's talk about the giant fooking elephant in the room--SKULL differences, body density differences, skeletal differences. And Neanderthals were 99.7% identical to humans. And humans are 98.8% identical to chimpanzees.





Caucasoid vs Neanderthal:






Compared to the skull variations found in modern races, the Neanderthals could easily qualify as just another "race" or "subspecies" of homo sapiens.

[sclimb]

Because it's only been so many years since humans have started interbreeding again after thousands of years separated. Let's say humans left Africa 70,000 years ago. That means the humans that stayed in Africa during that time were isolated due to geography from the ones that left. The ones that went to Europe cross-bred with Neanderthals apparently. The ones that went to Asia might have had contact with modern homo erectus. The ones that went to Australia eventually became isolated from oceans rising (aboriginies), etc. Meanwhile, modern time comes along (last few hundred years) and people start intermingling again because technology allows it.

It's not the last few hundred years. Africa, the ME, Europe, and Asia show a very clean spectrum via geography of transferring between races. Drop a pin halfway between Europe and Asia and you have Eurasian peoples, for example. Drop a pin between Eurasians, Europeans, and North Africans and you have Arabs. We've been mingling the entire 70,000 years to some extent.

[Mr Beer]

New piece of evidence has implications for the history of human life on planet Earth. We could celebrate this interesting discovery and speculate about the scientific implications. Or take this as an opportunity to bitch about imaginary conspiracy theories designed to keep the white man down. I wonder which way this will go?

Never change misc.

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BTW 95 % of pop-sci articles that claim to "change everything!"' don't change everything.

[Duckenheimer]

New piece of evidence has implications for the history of human life on planet Earth. We could celebrate this interesting discovery and speculate about the scientific implications. Or take this as an opportunity to bitch about imaginary conspiracy theories designed to hurt white people. I wonder which way this will go?

Never change misc.

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BTW 95 % of pop-sci articles that claim to "change everything!"' don't change everything.

I'd suspect more like 99.9...

[sclimb]

Use some common sense. Why would your source pick a 20 year old male model for the white guy and then an 1800s black and white 5 year old kid for the Asian, a 50 year old malnourished person for the Capoid, a 60 year old fat guy that lives a hard life for the Aboriginal, and some 100 year old picture of another that lived a hard life for the Congoid?

For example, why didn't it use this picture for the Asian guy?



And this picture for the white guy?



It's just so obvious where it's coming from and completely blows its own credibility while you have the nerve to say that the mainstream science doesn't have credibility. You can't say that while posting nonsense garbage like you did.

[Mr Beer]

I mean teeth are teeth, not a skeleton or even a skull which limits identification I assume since I doubt any DNA can can be retrieved from a ten million year old fossil. Also, humans and chimps diverged somewhere between four and thirteen million years ago according to my Google fu, which raises some questions about whether this is a human or not.

Not a scientist BTW, but that's a couple of thoughts I have about how earth shattering this discovery is. Big leap to say this overturns the scientific paradigm.

[US_Ranger]

It's not the last few hundred years. Africa, the ME, Europe, and Asia show a very clean spectrum via geography of transferring between races. Drop a pin halfway between Europe and Asia and you have Eurasian peoples, for example. Drop a pin between Eurasians, Europeans, and North Africans and you have Arabs. We've been mingling the entire 70,000 years to some extent.

Who's we?

There are tons of places in Africa, pacific islands and especially Australia that have had almost zero outside influence for thousands of years.

[Duckenheimer]

Who's we?

There are tons of places in Africa, pacific islands and especially Australia that have had almost zero outside influence for thousands of years.

Australia is the most interesting case.

Not at all affected by a 10 million year old tooth though.

[Lord_Lemon]

So does this mean we wuz kangs now?

[Thelonebadwolf]

This is fake news. The world is 6000 years old and the Sun rotates around the earth.

First man was Adam , a lax playing Chad who wore Khakis and button downs.

Be a good person but deny Jesus you deserve tp burn *******s

/sarcasm