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Thread: Jimi Hendrix was overrated
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10-15-2017, 03:29 AM #61
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10-15-2017, 03:33 AM #62
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10-15-2017, 03:33 AM #63
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10-15-2017, 03:36 AM #64
Storm of Light's Bane is one of my favorite albums, but I can't really justify saying Jon Nodveidt is better than Jimi Hendrix. Like you said, Hendrix was a pioneer. He had a totally different and unique approach to the guitar relative to the others from his era, which really matters. And I think that approach to the guitar is much more difficult to replicate than someone like Yngwie, which just starts to sound like harmonic minor runs and diminished arpeggios after a while.
Personally, I think it matters more if you can write something original and relatively simple rather than play something technical but unoriginal or boring.
For the record, as far as black metal musicians go, Jon Nodveidt is one of my favorites.
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10-15-2017, 03:40 AM #65
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10-15-2017, 03:42 AM #66
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10-15-2017, 03:51 AM #67
lol, when I was in high school I used to rip off the more melodic parts of that song (very poorly) and put them into my own. i remember being completely blown away that someone could play that, let alone have the creative capacity to write it.
I legitimately think this is probably one of the best examples of melodic and technical ability that exists in 4 and a half minutes.
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10-15-2017, 04:18 AM #68
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10-15-2017, 04:28 AM #69
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10-15-2017, 04:33 AM #70
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No its a perfectly legitimate argument. Skill is measurable. For instance buckethead is a monster guitar player and he would litterally play circles around hendrix with more feel and more finesse. He is all around a superior player. Hes nowhere near as famous because hes a weird dude and has possibly the worst marketing ploy ever, plus he writes some really out there stuff. Mainstream appeal and marketing = fame. Skill = technique and the ability to execute your ideas.
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10-15-2017, 04:44 AM #71
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10-15-2017, 04:46 AM #72
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10-15-2017, 04:52 AM #73
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10-15-2017, 04:58 AM #74
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10-15-2017, 05:00 AM #75
That's your opinion
If more people love hendrix then he is a better by default
You can't just say someone's better because you like him more
Music is subjective
these threads are always chock full of music elitists thinking they are better because they think some unknown musician is better compared to the popular artist
**** is cringe
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10-15-2017, 05:00 AM #76
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10-15-2017, 05:01 AM #77
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Making great songs isn't about being 'the most technical', Hendrix was a total package, flamboyant, cool & didn't give a ****.
There are countless great musicians that can play the **** out of multiple instruments & understand music theory to an extremely high level; could they rival Hendrix on stage- **** no....
For the matter, pretty shocked Steve Vai & Joe Satriani haven't been mentioned....
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10-15-2017, 05:10 AM #78
Nope. I was in the metal scene when Dimebag was alive, he definitely had all of his stature at that point. (And that was why his death was so stunning - he was a walking icon. Every metal fan at the time knows where they were when they heard).
He didn't go out on a high either - Damageplan weren't up to par, but the reputation of Pantera - and its influence on the new wave of metal, and all the local metal guitarists trying to play like him - was all already there. All of Dimebags reputation had already been solidified in the previous decade, it preceded him.
His biggest popularity was in the 90s and his legacy to the next generation of metal was firmly established in the early 2000s. There was no majorly different "up" for his reputation to go to.Last edited by Duckenheimer; 10-15-2017 at 05:35 AM.
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10-15-2017, 05:25 AM #79
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10-15-2017, 05:33 AM #80
here is my real feelings on this subject as an ignorant person who very much enjoys listening to Jimi Hendrix, and hates listening to all the bands with guitar players you guys are nut hugging. (Except Santana but the guy who said he's better then hendrix is clearly fukking high)
You are all nerds and your music isn't enjoyable. I don't like listening to you guys circle jerk each other and want to go fuk your women who are also not listening to you.
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10-15-2017, 05:36 AM #81
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10-15-2017, 05:39 AM #82
Few moviemakers have technical ability/skills that are objectively measurable that even begin to approach Michael Bay, but it's very easy and sensible to argue that there are countless better moviemakers than him.
There are certainly objective qualities and areas of craftmanship in art, and they enable wider ability to say what the artist wants to say, but they do not actually equal that artistic function. The tool for the project is not necessarily the goal of the project. I mean what's Tom Waits the best at? Nothing that could be measured on a drumometer, but he has better albums than almost everyone else.Interested in investing in militarizing poultry? Based in our Southernmost continent, no local taxes, no laws to worry about, guaranteed return! PM for further details
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10-15-2017, 05:43 AM #83
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If you spent half your life studying a craft and someone tried telling you the pinnacle of it was mediocrity you would argue it. Its like someone here saying brad pitt in fight club had a better physique than prime arnold because more women wanted to fukk him. Complete ignorance and flawed logic.
If someone wanted to argue Hendrix was one of the best rock stars of all time im with them, but hes not one of the best guitar players.
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10-15-2017, 05:51 AM #84
That's not ignorance. They're just not talking about the same thing you're talking about. You're making a category error.
By bodybuilding standards, Arnold had the best physique of the time. By a different set of standards (some easy to quantify objectively - like capacity for marathons, some not, like capacity for evoking arousal/attraction among a broader variety of people), he did not necessarily. "Best physique" is not a phrase that only entails your preferred definition, as there are different ways in which a person can have one.
It needs to be qualified with "in what way?" and if you insist on defining it one way while conversing with somebody who is talking about it in a different way, and you conflate the two, you're making a category error and you're also denying yourself the ability to realise what the other person is actually saying.Interested in investing in militarizing poultry? Based in our Southernmost continent, no local taxes, no laws to worry about, guaranteed return! PM for further details
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10-15-2017, 05:57 AM #85
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Very good point. But thats also why i picked buckethead. All around he is a great songwriter, has insane technique, and really has sonething for everybody. Hes written over 300 albums. But
i do definitely understand what you meant. It kind of goes along with the whole fame and skill argument. Thats also why i added in the whole rockstar vs guitar player bit.
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10-15-2017, 06:30 AM #86
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10-15-2017, 06:30 AM #87
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10-15-2017, 06:36 AM #88
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10-15-2017, 06:38 AM #89
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10-15-2017, 06:58 AM #90
you have to seperate from guitarists who were more just free thinking partiers that played whatever whenever versus guitarists that were more sequential step by step etc.
Partiers
-Eddie Van Halen
-Dimebag Darrell
-Jimi Hendrix (to the extreme)
none of the above guitarists cared about practicing, staying 'clean", etc. they just playe whatever. and sometimes it was sloppy, and incomplete, and repetitive. but when it was good, it was PHUKKING GOOD.
And then you have people like
-Eric Johnson
-80's shred guitarists
-john petrucci
Who were more methodical players that seriously worked on their songs, practice routines/etc, and sounded far more polished than the above players, however, if you compare the best moments from each group, I would say the partiers win.-Max Squat drops from 415 to 200 after going 1 degree past 90 degree knee bend crew.
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