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    Originally Posted by Rayzor84 View Post
    Nice deflection and appeal to tradition and emotion.

    Kwanzaa was a made up holiday meant for a group of people to go against the grain by not celebrating christmas, but who wanted to have a holiday too. Holidays are often old religious symbols, not something we make up to feel included bc we don't like that other guys holiday.

    But you're the party that encourages trophies for participation so of course you support making fake holidays for everyone and claiming them just as valid as all 655 genders.
    Do you ever post anything that doesn't contain hyperbole, ad hominems, straw men, or other logical fallacies?

    Why pick Kwanzaa specifically here? It's been celebrated as the first African-American holiday for about 50 years. At least two generations have celebrated it their whole lives. At what point does it become a "real" holiday. Is Hanukkah a "fake" holiday in your mind? It goes back to the Old Testament. What about Jehovah's Witnesses? They don't celebrate Christmas at all. Does that make them "fake" Christians?

    The point is, "Merry Christmas" respects some Christians. "Happy Holiday" respects everyone.

    Who do you respect?
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    Yea, Trump addressing that hate group is going to really bring our country together with things like this.
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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    Do you ever post anything that doesn't contain hyperbole, ad hominems, straw men, or other logical fallacies?

    Why pick Kwanzaa specifically here? It's been celebrated as the first African-American holiday for about 50 years. At least two generations have celebrated it their whole lives. At what point does it become a "real" holiday. Is Hanukkah a "fake" holiday in your mind? It goes back to the Old Testament. What about Jehovah's Witnesses? They don't celebrate Christmas at all. Does that make them "fake" Christians?

    The point is, "Merry Christmas" respects some Christians. "Happy Holiday" respects everyone.

    Who do you respect?
    You missed the point entirely which is odd considering you restated my point in your own post.

    Christmas and Hanukkah: thousands of years old.
    Kwanzaa: Decades old imitation.

    Since we are making things up tho I'll have my own holiday and if u don't recognize it you're a bigoted clown.

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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    What makes one holiday real and another "fake"? Just because the government has endorsed it? I don't get that.
    Christmas is an important part of American tradition and culture, and I'm not even religious. It's important that we do not forget who we are, and it's important that we do not dilute ourselves by making widespread efforts to absorb and express foreign cultures. Same for Thanksgiving, Independence Day, etc.
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    Gotta give it to Trump.

    He's realized he will have no actual legislative accomplishments, so instead he's just inserting himself into societal grievances.

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    And then his base just eats it up. He is definitely a master troller.
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    Originally Posted by 7rmr View Post
    And then his base just eats it up.
    You mean proud Americans are excited to have a proud American as president again? Wow, shocker.
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    We stopped saying Merry Chirstmas?

    And I thought Happy Holidays was used because there's a bunch of holidays at the end of the year?
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    Originally Posted by ODBM View Post
    You mean proud Americans are excited to have a proud American as president again? Wow, shocker.
    This lol. These are old cultural divisions that should've never happened or should've been shut down years ago. Glad so eons finally doing it, but I wouldn't expect a Canadian commie with unilateral brain dysfunction to understand culture, patriotism or values.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    We stopped saying Merry Chirstmas?

    And I thought Happy Holidays was used because there's a bunch of holidays at the end of the year?
    Pretty sure happy holidays started bc jews got triggered over merry Christmas, especially in schools srs
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    Lol I called it. I knew the Culture War would go from the Battle of Kneeling Black to the Battle of Merry Christmas. God damnit I knew it!
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    Originally Posted by Rayzor84 View Post
    Pretty sure happy holidays started bc jews got triggered over merry Christmas, especially in schools srs
    What's wrong with it though? Seems interchangeable a lot of the time. Everybody knows what's up come December 25th.
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    What's wrong with it though? Seems interchangeable a lot of the time. Everybody knows what's up come December 25th.
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    - If you deliberately don't say Merry Christmas out of a sense of 'sensitivity' for those with other backgrounds, you're a cuck loser
    - If you get overly upset if someone says Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, you're a cuck loser
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    You know damn well why Trump is saying Merry Christmas, snowflake
    Because 70% of Americans identify as Christian. He says what people want to hear. It gets him bigger ratings.
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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    Because 70% of Americans identify as Christian. He says what people want to hear. It gets him bigger ratings.
    That's a blatantly false statistic considering how many atheists there are now, as well as other religions.
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    Pretty sure happy holidays started bc jews got triggered over merry Christmas, especially in schools srs
    Me thinks you've been reading Breitbart.
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    Happy Holidays is a politically correct version of Christmas, yet Christmas is a Christian-correct version of Saturnalia. Same with Halloween and Samhain.
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    Civic nationalism, not even once.
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    Christmas is an important part of American tradition and culture, and I'm not even religious. It's important that we do not forget who we are, and it's important that we do not dilute ourselves by making widespread efforts to absorb and express foreign cultures. Same for Thanksgiving, Independence Day, etc.
    Right. Don't forget that we are a nation built on religious freedom. People are free to express whatever they want, and truly nobody is being hurt by "Happy Holiday" and there's no threat to Christmas. Not when 70% of the nation identifies as Christian, and probably more than that celebrate the holiday.
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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    Right. Don't forget that we are a nation built on religious freedom. People are free to express whatever they want, and truly nobody is being hurt by "Happy Holiday" and there's no threat to Christmas. Not when 70% of the nation identifies as Christian, and probably more than that celebrate the holiday.
    Of course this nation was built on the idea of freedom. I wish more people on the left understood this so they'd stop trying to censor people and confiscate their property.

    You can practice whatever religion you like in this country, but what I'm saying is that Christmas is part of our culture that I do not want to dilute. If you want your countrymen to make a big deal out of Ramadan, for example, then you are free to move to a Muslim majority country.
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    Originally Posted by Rayzor84 View Post
    That's a blatantly false statistic considering how many atheists there are now, as well as other religions.
    "Seventy-four percent of Americans identify with a Christian religion, and 5% identify with a non-Christian religion. The rest of the U.S. adult population, about 21%, either say they don't have a formal religious identity or don't give a response."

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/200186/f...-religion.aspx

    "...a large majority of Americans – roughly seven-in-ten – continue to identify with some branch of the Christian faith."

    http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/a...ous-landscape/

    What are your stats on atheists and the other religions?
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    Why does Trump just pick random things that weren’t a big deal or wasn’t even an issue and try to be the champion for it? Watch next month he will start championing “Nobody says good morning anymore, let me tell you I say the best good mornings”.
    He has to toss red meat to his base once in a while to continue to fool them that he gives a **** about what they want. His base want the US to return back to a 1950's morality and lifestyle.
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    Of course this nation was built on the idea of freedom. I wish more people on the left understood this so they'd stop trying to censor people and confiscate their property.

    You can practice whatever religion you like in this country, but what I'm saying is that Christmas is part of our culture that I do not want to dilute. If you want your countrymen to make a big deal out of Ramadan, for example, then you are free to move to a Muslim majority country.
    I tend to agree, but I think the decline of Christianity is going to result in Christmas getting diluted. It actually has been for some time, and they only have themselves to blame.
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    Christmas is appropriate. I can't believe we still use the word Merry in 2017. It's like saying jolly. Who talks like that? There's gotta be a modern synonym.
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    Originally Posted by machined View Post
    Christmas is appropriate. I can't believe we still use the word Merry in 2017. It's like saying jolly. Who talks like that? There's gotta be a modern synonym.


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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    I tend to agree, but I think the decline of Christianity is going to result in Christmas getting diluted. It actually has been for some time, and they only have themselves to blame.
    There are many families like mine where we are not religious, but we still celebrate Christmas.
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    Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal!

    srs though, it's hilarious how libs always take the "it was never a big deal!" route anytime they're called out on anything

    we all know it was a huge deal to you culture hating weirdos
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    Originally Posted by ODBM View Post
    There are many families like mine where we are not religious, but we still celebrate Christmas.
    Only Scrooges hate Christmas, religious or not.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal!

    srs though, it's hilarious how libs always take the "it was never a big deal!" route anytime they're called out on anything

    we all know it was a huge deal to you culture hating weirdos
    Liberals change their entire value set daily, if not hourly. What they screamed about yesterday is no biggie today if that's the narrative their masters want pushed.

    It's like arguing with someone who forgets everything every time they wake up.
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