Mr Olympia Live Webcast Debate

[kimm4]

Me too but Cedric was off yesterday. He looked much better today.

I wanted Roelly to get 5th and beat Rhoden.

Yeah quite a few of them were off yesterday. I thought he looked better compared to Josh and Brandon...which is why I'm not a judge LOL...

I was thinking Rhoden 7th, Nathan 6th and Roelly 5th.

[RoroCwalker]

Ok interesting, will I eat my words? Ramy had the last callout mostly in the middle. I havent seen phil this defeated since 2010. hmm

I wonder if they are just messing with us or if this can mean we have a new Mr.Olympia?

I'd say messing with us, but ironically, he's deserving the win so far.

[Gorky88]

I'd say messing with us, but ironically, he's deserving the win so far.

I am confused, I would go in to detail as to why they both deserve it but in short:

Ramy wins front double, front lat, abs and thighs, side chest, rear lat
Phil wins side triceps, back double bicep and most muscular.

phil has a bad gut but better separation and pop and depth in his muscles. Ramy has more width but also carries like 30 pounds more muscle. Tough one to call, I would give the nod to Ramy.

[fartwhenicum]

phill deserved winner imo....but he has to keep his gut in check..

[Gorky88]

Congrats! I think Ramy wins in 2018. oh boy. We wont hear the end of gut comments(mostly in social media). I swear to god this sport will die in to non existence with Phil's reign lol. Its not his fault, he is a spectacular bodybuilder but he isnt that amazing in the comparison round unfortunately.

[RoroCwalker]

I am confused, I would go in to detail as to why they both deserve it but in short:

Ramy wins front double, front lat, abs and thighs, side chest, rear lat
Phil wins side triceps, back double bicep and most muscular.

phil has a bad gut but better separation and pop and depth in his muscles. Ramy has more width but also carries like 30 pounds more muscle. Tough one to call, I would give the nod to Ramy.

I agree with you, except on one thing. There's no way in hell Phil is even close to Ramy in the MM.

[kimm4]

I think Phil won it from the back. I honestly think Ramy's hamstring injury hurt him.

I don't know I would have been ok with either choice.

[RoroCwalker]

Phil being tied to Arnold's record is an insult to the sport.

[Gorky88]

I agree with you, except on one thing. There's no way in hell Phil is even close to Ramy in the MM.

I think Phil wins that tho, did I not say that? I think Ramy doesn't look too shabby in the pose he has good muscularity, width and pop not at the level of Phil.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

he isnt that amazing in the comparison round unfortunately.

lol

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Phil being tied to Arnold's record is an insult to the sport.

How insulted will you feel by 10?

[RoroCwalker]

I think Phil wins that tho, did I not say that? I think Ramy doesn't look too shabby in the pose he has good muscularity, width and pop not at the level of Phil.

You said that Phil wins the MM. I disagree. I argue that Ramy overwhelms Phil in the MM (he's not hard to overwhelm in that pose anyway).

[RoroCwalker]

How insulted will you feel by 10?

Incredibly insulted, on behalf of the sport.

[Gorky88]

Phil being tied to Arnold's record is an insult to the sport.

See, I feel like we have better thighs and glute separation so yes we did improve in some ways in the sport but really the overall quality isn't that impressive.

As for Phil being a 7 time Mr.Olympia, he looked unreal 1 year(2011 one of my all time in history of the sport), great 1 year (2013) and very good another year (2015). Even in those years maybe minus 2011, he loses poses in lineup and doesn't look too impressive apart from bdb, most muscular and side chest. He has some flaws and I have never been a huge fan of him as a person either but thats not any important!

[Gorky88]

lol

he isn't apart from few poses, you are welcome to add anything to discussion or ****in not

[Big Slim DaDDy]

overwhelms Phil in the MM (he's not hard to overwhelm in that pose anyway).

No trolling this is a serious thread.

[mikieson]

Ramy was almost there..Phil was good though..NOW let all the Phil hate commence for another year..PEACEOUT till 2018..

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Incredibly insulted, on behalf of the sport.

8.Haney 9.New Record 10.Double digits. Cool number.

[Gorky88]

You said that Phil wins the MM. I disagree. I argue that Ramy overwhelms Phil in the MM (he's not hard to overwhelm in that pose anyway).

I think one of the most important aspects of that pose depends on the muscularity thus why Branch Warren kept winning and judges keep giving that pose to Phil.

It is kind of like rear lat spread, the larger the lats, you win the pose but there are 2 ways of looking at it. Some used to give that pose to Kai because of his width who didn't look that amazing in that pose in my opinion but that was the judging criteria whereas some(or many say) Phil won it because of his detail in his traps, erectors and pop etc.
It kind of comes down to how the judging works for the specific pose.

[Giant_Killer]

Ramy People's Champ 2017

The Champ that Counts

[Big Slim DaDDy]

he isn't apart from few poses, you are welcome to add anything to discussion or ****in not

Don't filtered swear.

[RoroCwalker]

See, I feel like we have better thighs and glute separation so yes we did improve in some ways in the sport but really the overall quality isn't that impressive.

As for Phil being a 7 time Mr.Olympia, he looked unreal 1 year(2011 one of my all time in history of the sport), great 1 year (2013) and very good another year (2015). Even in those years maybe minus 2011, he loses poses in lineup and doesn't look too impressive apart from bdb, most muscular and side chest. He has some flaws and I have never been a huge fan of him as a person either but thats not any important!

I agree that thighs have gotten better, however, with that massive increase in size, we're losing an overall quality because many attempt to hit that balanced massive-conditioned look, and it fails more than it works.

Glute separation, I completely agree.

I also completely agree that the overall quality isn't impressive.

Phil's physique being awarded Mr.O 7 times in a row reflects the low quality of the sport and the line-ups. If you look closely into it, you can see a considerable amount of robberies, and that makes a statement in and of itself.

[Archking]

Wasn't shocked to see phil with the sandow. That being said I think it was close. Ramy had his best year yet

[Gorky88]

Don't filtered swear.

it wont come through, you know that. dont waste your time with these answers. like i said, i would love to hear what you have to say.

Phil is amazing by himself but when he is compared he looks worse in lineup. He isn't as impressive.

[GymMeathead]

I have to say I really enjoyed this Olympia. Even though it was predictable we had a lot of guys stepping it up.

Overall Phil beat Ramy in the poses, and in the conditioning. Phil had 1 weak body part his stomach. But Ramy had 2 weak parts, hams and calves. Ramy also looked a little off, but nothing for him to be dissapointed about. This was Ramys highest Olympia placing and I feel they put Ramy in the middle to entertain the crowd.

Very good placing for Bonac, Roelly, and Nathan.

Bad placing for Rhoden and Dex and I dont see them moving back up next year.

I see Ramy pushing Phil more next year and we will see what happens.

Thank you for being part of the debate, its fun sharing opinions and talking to people on here about bodybuilding.

[kimm4]

Can anyone shed any light on why there was no women's physique this year? I normally don't follow through the year so I'm lost?

[Gorky88]

Can anyone shed any light on why there was no women's physique this year? I normally don't follow through the year so I'm lost?

5th Sheronic Henton

4th Kira Neuman

3rd Heather Grace

2nd Jennifer Taylor

1st Juliana Malacarne - Women's Physique Olympia Champion

[bartosh]

scorecards?

[kimm4]

5th Sheronic Henton

4th Kira Neuman

3rd Heather Grace

2nd Jennifer Taylor

1st Juliana Malacarne - Women's Physique Olympia Champion

Thank you.

I'm been following the stream all weekend on and off...I don't know how I missed it.

[Gorky88]

scorecards?

we will see soon, i would be shocked if Phil didn't have perfect scores both rounds.