Cop arrests nurse for doing her job and following the law.

[PeaceWithin]

Holy fuk someone gets it

He makes a great point for the douchebags who get pulled over at a traffic stop and watched some YouTube videos about how to fck with cops.

Not as great a point when it applies to trained professionals who are up to date on the legal intricacies of their job... And have a hospital legal team backing them.

Would be willing to drop this if you just say the nurse didn't do anything wrong. Because at least you stopped the "two wrongs don't make a right" talk...

[Kiknskreem]

There is no point in getting into a physical confrontation with a L.E.O. over a dispute about the law.

She did nothing to get into a physical confrontation. She was calmly and civilly explaining the agreement between the hospital and the PD when the officer decided to take her into custody.

[SillieBazzillie]

Whatever you say chief dont you have some nonprofits money to steal for pushing a few buttons on a calculator?

Thousands of hours of training! lol

More like thousands of hours of overtime.

[dhawkeye1980]

He makes a great point for the douchebags who get pulled over at a traffic stop and watched some YouTube videos about how to fck with cops.

Not as great a point when it applies to trained professionals who are up to date on the legal intricacies of their job... And have a hospital legal team backing them.

Would be willing to drop this if you just say the nurse didn't do anything wrong. Because at least you stopped the "two wrongs don't make a right" talk...

She was right in her ethics but wrong in her approach. Thats all i have left to say. Everything else is beating a dead horse

[dhawkeye1980]

She did nothing to get into a physical confrontation. She was calmly and civilly explaining the agreement between the hospital and the PD when the officer decided to take her into custody.

There is no legal loophole for a trained professional to do anything but what ive posted

[Kiknskreem]

There is no legal loophole for a trained professional to do anything but what ive posted

I'm sure that's why the legal and medical system is going to deal with her harshly.

Oh wait... she's being universally praised.

Talking to you is as worthwhile as talking to a rock.

[dhawkeye1980]

I'm sure that's why the legal system is going to deal with her harshly.

Oh wait.

Ahh more grasping at straws so sad

[Kiknskreem]

Ahh more grasping at straws so sad

Pointing out the reality of how this situation unfolded is grasping at straws?

ok then.

[PeaceWithin]

She was right in her ethics but wrong in her approach. Thats all i have left to say. Everything else is beating a dead horse

So as a nurse, were there any other steps she should have taken? Interested as a nurse. What is the cop lingo/ language that would talk that cop down from wrongly arresting her?

As I saw it...

Verbally informed him, escalated to supervisor, provided written policy, reinforced verbally.... What else?

[notorius1]

Ahh more grasping at straws so sad

Wow

[dhawkeye1980]

So as a nurse, were there any other steps she should have taken? Interested as a nurse. What is the cop lingo/ language that would talk that cop down from wrongly arresting her?

As I saw it...

Verbally informed him, escalated to supervisor, provided written policy, reinforced verbally.... What else?

Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout

[miscinbro]

What you have to remember is that for every 1,000 "i know my rights" people, 999 of them are incorrect and the officer is correct.

That 1 in a 1,000 can follow the illegal obtained evidence up at court, and seek remedy.

There is no point in getting into a physical confrontation with a L.E.O. over a dispute about the law.

The trouble with this argument is that in this case it was literally the job of this woman to know the law and protect the rights of the patients under her care.

[LethalDench]

Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout

FYI this is a terrible argument. You're justifying a gross violation of rights. Drawing blood would, at least in the UK, be considered GBH. The only difference is that when you're in a hospital and it's for your own safety/health, you can give consent to the GBH on your person - no one else can do it for you unless in very narrow circumstances. You argue that a violation of rights is fine because if everything turns out badly, then you will be compensated. Imagine if that logic was upheld across the board? Oh, it doesn't matter if I shoot them in the leg because they will get a massive payout from losing their leg...wow.

[dhawkeye1980]

FYI this is a terrible argument. You're justifying a gross violation of rights. Drawing blood would, at least in the UK, be considered GBH. The only difference is that when you're in a hospital and it's for your own safety/health, you can give consent to the GBH on your person - no one else can do it for you unless in very narrow circumstances. You argue that a violation of rights is fine because if everything turns out badly, then you will be compensated. Imagine if that logic was upheld across the board? Oh, it doesn't matter if I shoot them in the leg because they will get a massive payout from losing their leg...wow.

Where did i justify it?

That is literally not the slightest bit what i said

[notorius1]

Where did i justify it?

That is literally not the slightest bit what i said

Are you on drugs?

[PeaceWithin]

Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout

So it comes down to nurse preference? Because I wouldn't run out screaming like she did, but I'd let him slap cuffs on me before knowingly violating patient rights. I guess he could just go get someone else to do it, but that isn't my problem.

[dhawkeye1980]

So it comes down to nurse preference? Because I wouldn't run out screaming like she did, but I'd let him slap cuffs on me before knowingly violating patient rights. I guess he could just go get someone else to do it, but that isn't my problem.

How is that nurse preference? Its like you dont even read the post before coming up with some BS thats not even correlated to what i said

[PeaceWithin]

How is that nurse preference? Its like you dont even read the post before coming up with some BS thats not even correlated to what i said

Because my preference would be if threatened with arrest versus the blood draw occuring, I would take arrest. And then the blood draw would occur, and I could be down there at the bottom with the patient getting the fat payday. I'm sure other nurses might just let the blood draw happen and then the rest of your scenario would play out.

[Bushmaster]

The cop had no authority there without a warrant.

The law of duress under color of authority stated nothing about needing a warrant. The officer was there as an official agent of a govt entity, him not having a warrant MADE IT AN ILLEGAL ACT and is therefore covered under the law and absolves the nurse

Then WTF are you even arguing about? For fux sake this has only been explained to you for 22 solid pages now..

Christ man, every single thing about that cop was wrong and you just admitted it. You're not seriously still trying to say she should have caved in to him just because are you?

This how you see it bro..?

[miscinbro]

His argument now seems to be that you should do anything a cop tells you (short of fcking yourself up) because otherwise they will fck you up.

[Bushmaster]

What you have to remember is that for every 1,000 "i know my rights" people, 999 of them are incorrect and the officer is correct.

That 1 in a 1,000 can follow the illegal obtained evidence up at court, and seek remedy.

There is no point in getting into a physical confrontation with a L.E.O. over a dispute about the law.

And I'll ask you too.. did you watch the same video the rest of us saw? The nurse DID NOT get into a physical confrontation with anybody. She calmly and clearly tried to state her position as did her supervisor. I mean seriously... WTF else needs to be said? Don't take my word for it though, go back and watch it again ffs..

[dhawkeye1980]

His argument now seems to be that you should do anything a cop tells you (short of fcking yourself up) because otherwise they will fck you up.

Okay so you are going to fight then tough guy? Im advocating not fighting the police and making a complaint later. WHICH IS THE FUKKIN PROCESS. But go ahead and fight billy badass

[dhawkeye1980]

And I'll ask you too.. did you watch the same video the rest of us saw? The nurse DID NOT get into a physical confrontation with anybody. She calmly and clearly tried to state her position as did her supervisor. I mean seriously... WTF else needs to be said? Don't take my word for it though, go back and watch it again ffs..

Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout

[miscinbro]

Okay so you are going to fight then tough guy? Im advocating not fighting the police and making a complaint later. WHICH IS THE FUKKIN PROCESS. But go ahead and fight billy badass

It's not the process in cases where you owe a duty to others. See the PD and DA example I gave you. If a PD knowingly handed over a privileged criminal file to an officer he/she would never work as lawyer again.

I agree with you on things like searching your car trunk illegally, etc. - but there are exceptions. I think this case with the nurse is also one.

[Bushmaster]

Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs

How about no. Without a warrant he doesn't take jack shiit, and he can take his threats and shove them.

Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout

Which will probably happen anyway.

[dhawkeye1980]

It's not the process in cases where you owe a duty to others. See the PD and DA example I gave you. If a PD knowingly handed over a privileged criminal file to an officer he/she would never work as lawyer again.

I agree with you on things like searching your car trunk illegally, etc. - but there are exceptions. I think this case with the nurse is also one.

Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout

No your example does not work either sorry. Please look up duress under color of authority.

[Bushmaster]

Okay so you are going to fight then tough guy? Im advocating not fighting the police and making a complaint later. WHICH IS THE FUKKIN PROCESS. But go ahead and fight billy badass

Nobody fought. Why the hell do you keep repeating that over and over? What, you think you're gonna click your heels, say it three times and make it come true?

[dhawkeye1980]

How about no. Without a warrant he doesn't take jack shiit, and he can take his threats and shove them.



Which will probably happen anyway.

Wrong again, he was still a govt agent and has authority hence why they made "under color of authority" laws. So when he comes in and over steps that authority the system takes him down.

[dhawkeye1980]

Nobody fought. Why the hell do you keep repeating that over and over? What, you think you're gonna click your heels, say it three times and make it come true?

So you dont understand passive resistance either? Gotcha. Do a google search on it for me k pumpkin.

[Bushmaster]

Wrong again, he was still a govt agent and has authority hence why they made "under color of authority" laws. So when he comes in and over steps that authority the system takes him down.

Which is going to happen.

At the end of the day though, the nurse protected her patient, and your cop will be looking for a new job soon.