Cop arrests nurse for doing her job and following the law.

[WestAfrica]

Cliffs:

Person in car accident and unconscious at hospital
Cop wants to take a blood sample or wants nurse to get him one
Nurse says no bc patient can't consent nor is patient under arrest
Cop gets angry
Nurse phones her superior and he tells cop policy still is no and that he is making a mistake in what he is doing
Cop flips out and drags nurse outside and arrests her for something

I feel bad for the cops who perform their duties like they were trained and then look over and see one of their buddies going apechit for no reason and they have to go along with it.

http://www.fox29.com/news/278040051-story

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[Austanian]

What sucks for him is if you watch the video is that he was following the instructions from his supervisor...

On the bright side for her she will get a fat check.

[PeaceWithin]

Nurse lives matter.

[C Project]

This will be largely ignored. I almost posted this earlier, but the entire first page is still "lol checkmate librulz! 4d starcraft 8!!!"

You must still bow down to authority, regardless of who is running the nation, or you will be silenced and punished.

[LincolnKennedy]

The most ridiculous part is that the person who they wanted to draw blood from didn't cause the accident and is literally a victim. I believe they just wanted the blood to complete their investigation. I don't understand why they pushed it so hard.

The truck driver in the video is the person they wanted blood from:

[Invictus]

The most ridiculous part is that the person who they wanted to draw blood from didn't cause the accident and is literally a victim. I believe they just wanted the blood to complete their investigation. I don't understand why they pushed it so hard.

The truck driver in the video is the person they wanted blood from:

it's because of liability issues, they are hoping they can find something in his blood to deem him under the influence so they aren't responsible.

[LincolnKennedy]

it's because of liability issues, they are hoping they can find something in his blood to deem him under the influence so they aren't responsible.

Liability from what? The dude they were pursuing clearly committed suicide.


The guy in the pickup truck, the guy the police were pursuing, died instantly. The semi-truck driver is the person they wanted blood from. Doesn't make any sense other than they were just following protocol when there is a fatality involved.

[LincolnKennedy]

I hadn't thought of that. So you think they caused the accident, and they're going for a hail mary to see if the victim was intoxicated to get out of it? True or not, it is a logical conclusion.


Maybe I read the original article too quickly, but I thought they were pursuing someone, and then this accident occurred and the other guy died while this one was in bad condition. I may need to read it again.

The pickup truck driven by the guy they were pursuing swerved into oncoming traffic. Clearly suicide. Watch the video

[LincolnKennedy]

Last moment suicide or not, the guy was fleeing from the cops according to the article. I'm not a lawyer so I'm gonna stay out of any legal ramifications from now on unless someone informs me.

Your video doesn't work. Maybe give a URL or title to search.

Try it again. I fixed it.

Unless the police were violating their pursuit policy, I'm not sure what they could be liable of.

[Dan916]

What really ticks me off.... the officer's superior arrives and the first thing he does is attack the ladies behavior, defends the officer, THEN attacks the Hospital's behavior in past incidences of trying to draw blood.

This tells me its systemic. And a huge problem when superior's first instinct is to defend that officer instead of following law. That tells me tons of people are in jail for all kinds of **** that a superior gave the nod to.

[albeezy512]

In after cop cucks

[Austanian]

In after cop cucks

Not a single defender of this behavior has posted so far...

So try again *******.

[DamagedAndDull]

The nurse was rightfully arrested. The dude in the hospital has a CDL and by law everyone with a CDL must get a blood test if they get in an accident.

[TaeBoNinja]

The nurse was even apologetic about not being able to let the cop in, but he was an *******. No grown man should be their hands on a woman like that. And all for following the law.

[bigcat3655]

Actually, it seems the nurse was actually violating the law, or at least an interpretation of it. Commercial motor vehicle drivers are required to be tested for alcohol/drugs within 8 hours after they are involved in a fatality crash per federal law, and that law allows local/state police to conduct that test. So the cops were legally allowed to order that blood draw. If the nurse said no because of hospital policy only, and there's not a law in that state that allows a refusal like that, she's obstructing the investigation and the arrest is valid.

[LincolnKennedy]

Apparently Utah law allows the extraction of blood absent of consent and/or warrant IF the person is dead or unconscious. Pretty scary that a government would pass something like that into law.

IMO, blood samples should only be taken with consent or a warrant. Imagine finding out someone took your blood without permission while being innocent the whole time. Pretty intrusive imo.

[TaeBoNinja]

Actually, it seems the nurse was actually violating the law, or at least an interpretation of it. Commercial motor vehicle drivers are required to be tested for alcohol/drugs within 8 hours after they are involved in a fatality crash per federal law, and that law allows local/state police to conduct that test. So the cops were legally allowed to order that blood draw. If the nurse said no because of hospital policy only, and there's not a law in that state that allows a refusal like that, she's obstructing the investigation and the arrest is valid.

I don't know, people seem to be unsure about the law here. What's obvious though, is this cop didn't just arrest her, he pushed her out the building and up against a wall. Way uncalled for.

[Vardoger]

Actually, it seems the nurse was actually violating the law, or at least an interpretation of it. Commercial motor vehicle drivers are required to be tested for alcohol/drugs within 8 hours after they are involved in a fatality crash per federal law, and that law allows local/state police to conduct that test. So the cops were legally allowed to order that blood draw. If the nurse said no because of hospital policy only, and there's not a law in that state that allows a refusal like that, she's obstructing the investigation and the arrest is valid.

Except that in the video at the 5:50 mark the nurse lists the accepted protocol agreed to by the local law enforcement. She reads: "The three things that allow us to do that are if you have an electronic warrant, or patient consent, or patient under arrest".

Because not one of those circumstances were present, and the department agreed to those terms, it would appear that the department is violating the terms it agreed upon with the hospital, and that the cop is being a fuktwit.

[Contribution05]

Actually, it seems the nurse was actually violating the law, or at least an interpretation of it. Commercial motor vehicle drivers are required to be tested for alcohol/drugs within 8 hours after they are involved in a fatality crash per federal law, and that law allows local/state police to conduct that test. So the cops were legally allowed to order that blood draw. If the nurse said no because of hospital policy only, and there's not a law in that state that allows a refusal like that, she's obstructing the investigation and the arrest is valid.

Let's assume she was violating the law. She was obviously just trying to follow hospital protocol and was no threat what so ever. If for whatever reason he HAD to arrest her. He probably could have first tried saying "hey, I'm sorry, but you're violating the law, and if you don't let me draw blood, I will have to arrest you, and the hospital can sort out your bond yada yada yada" She would probably contest it some at first but then you come back with "either handcuffs or blood" and she would pick. He didn't try to arrest her peacefully, he instead terrified her, screamed at her, shoved her against a wall needlessly.

[PSToolman]

A quick search brought up many cases involving a driver who is a suspect, but not many where he's just involved. Seems to me without probable cause, they wouldn't get a warrant. I understand the time issue so what I don't understand is why the hospital couldn't get the sample and send it to the lab where it stays until such time as the police acquire a warrant. Of course there's still the consent issue..

Also, the actions of the officer raise a lot of question about his suitability to serve. There was no need to get physical. I can imagine it's pretty easy to make assumptions about people when you deal with the worst of society on an ongoing basis, but that speaks to the officer's suitability again. Considering the time issue, he should have simply secured a warrant as quickly as he could.

Unfortunately, in a free and civil society of laws sometimes the law has to protect the guilty as well as the innocent, and cops have to work smarter to get their man.

[Dave22reborn]

Apparently Utah law allows the extraction of blood absent of consent and/or warrant IF the person is dead or unconscious. Pretty scary that a government would pass something like that into law.

IMO, blood samples should only be taken with consent or a warrant. Imagine finding out someone took your blood without permission while being innocent the whole time. Pretty intrusive imo.

You're telling me that if you're in a coma for example, that the hospital shouldn't be allowed to take your blood?

[Dave22reborn]

Except that in the video at the 5:50 mark the nurse lists the accepted protocol agreed to by the local law enforcement. She reads: "The three things that allow us to do that are if you have an electronic warrant, or patient consent, or patient under arrest".

Because not one of those circumstances were present, and the department agreed to those terms, it would appear that the department is violating the terms it agreed upon with the hospital, and that the cop is being a fuktwit.

He wasn't even under arrest?

[Jasonw1178]

Even if they did have a right to get a blood sample, you CANT FORCE SOMEONE TO DO WORK FOR YOU.

The cop will lose his job, the nurse won't. She did her job, she was released with no charges or bail. The officer messed up, didn't handle it right. It's a PR nightmare for that PD and firing the cop will look good for them. Plus, while reviewing his bodycam he made some comments to another cop about what he thinks of most people who come in on an ambulance, so he's fukd.

[PeaceWithin]

You're telling me that if you're in a coma for example, that the hospital shouldn't be allowed to take your blood?

Taking blood for medical reasons (treatment) is a whole different world than retrieving blood for an investigation. They'd better be drawing my blood while I'm in a coma, lol. Don't want to stay that way, and information is power.

[Maestro]

Not a single defender of this behavior has posted so far...

So try again *******.

Just give it a minute hawkeye hasn't show up yet.

He's a gold medal recipient when it comes to playing mental gymnastics defending cops

[velvetmudhole]

I don't understand. She doesn't look like a black male

Cop was a douchebag

[Dave22reborn]

Taking blood for medical reasons (treatment) is a whole different world than retrieving blood for an investigation. They'd better be drawing my blood while I'm in a coma, lol. Don't want to stay that way, and information is power.

I had a DUI where the driver went straight to the hospital for possible injuries, the doctor had blood drawn right away, an hour and a half later she told me the results and he was 4-5 times the limit. Should the evidence be tossed out?

[Clinos]

Actually, it seems the nurse was actually violating the law, or at least an interpretation of it. Commercial motor vehicle drivers are required to be tested for alcohol/drugs within 8 hours after they are involved in a fatality crash per federal law, and that law allows local/state police to conduct that test. So the cops were legally allowed to order that blood draw. If the nurse said no because of hospital policy only, and there's not a law in that state that allows a refusal like that, she's obstructing the investigation and the arrest is valid.

CDL blood tests are mandatory in some cases but not always and are done by the employer unless an arrest is may then it is the state that is doing it.

The hospital policy is put into place to ensure that the institution is in compliance with HIPAA. No hospital will put itself in place to violate HIPAA laws or violations. The nurse was proper in her response and answers, she is also the charge nurse meaning she was at the top of the chain. If she had to get on the phone then it should be obvious that she was connected with hospital administration and legal.

[Clinos]

I had a DUI where the driver went straight to the hospital for possible injuries, the doctor had blood drawn right away, an hour and a half later she told me the results and he was 4-5 times the limit. Should the evidence be tossed out?

Depends on the Chain of custody and who requested the BAC/TOX testing.

[WestAfrica]

I had a DUI where the driver went straight to the hospital for possible injuries, the doctor had blood drawn right away, an hour and a half later she told me the results and he was 4-5 times the limit. Should the evidence be tossed out?

The driver was the suspect in your case...The guy the cops were chasing caused the guy in the coma to crash-he isn't the suspect.