Misc Firearms Crew LXVIII: A Bridge Too Farley

[DualRectifier]

All that--backwards mounts, mount on front rail, no eye relief--plus those aren't quick release scope mounts, so the BUIS is useless and just in the way.

[hutch1999]

Makes sense.

In for better suggestions before I waste $200

If I was going for affordable variable power optic I would look hard at Vortex and Primary arms.

http://www.primaryarms.com/pa1-6x24sfp-acss-5-56

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category...le_riflescopes


They're more than $200 but they are still a solid value.

[Mortar34]

If I was going for affordable variable power optic I would look hard at Vortex and Primary arms.

http://www.primaryarms.com/pa1-6x24sfp-acss-5-56

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category...le_riflescopes


They're more than $200 but they are still a solid value.

Roger that. As of Monday my LGS had the 1-6 Strike Eagle for $270 NIB. I've got one and love it. I haven't looked in a while but that's the best price I've seen.

[Ikeman83]

So I want to put the Eotech currently on my AR-15 on some SBR/Pistol I plan to build... Which scope would u recommend I drop on my AR-15?

Currently considering:
https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-P-223-3...efa80de5fbb34c

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics...cae797af10f5c0

I've bought a grand total of two centerfire rifle scopes for two completely differently purposed rifles and am in the process of buying a third while conducting initial research on a fourth. There are folks out there with a lot more experience in this arena than I do ITT, but I've found this basic advice helpful.

Step One: Identify Magnification Range You Want
Step Two: Identify Desired Reticle/Illumination
Step Three: Identify Desired Focal Plane
Step Four: Identify Desired Size Characteristics (Tube Size, Objective Size, Weight)


Right off the bat, the Nikon has exposed turrets and a BDC reticle, which doesn't make any sense. Neither one has a parallax adjustment, and the tubes on these are both one inch. The Nikon is also about 3 oz heavier. You're going to spend $50-80 on a cantilevered scope mount (non-QD) to make it usable.

If you're going to completely cheap out, this scope has the same mag range, is about as heavy as the Nikon, and costs half as much: http://www.primaryarms.com/pa3-9x44sfp

If you're willing to accept the extra weight, this one has significantly more features at a lower price point than either of the ones you posted: http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-a...ly-2016-pa416x

[Ikeman83]

Strong customer images

Jesus. What kind of ****ing savage puts a scope like that on a DD?

[omnip0tent]

If I was going for affordable variable power optic I would look hard at Vortex and Primary arms.

http://www.primaryarms.com/pa1-6x24sfp-acss-5-56

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category...le_riflescopes


They're more than $200 but they are still a solid value.

Roger that. As of Monday my LGS had the 1-6 Strike Eagle for $270 NIB. I've got one and love it. I haven't looked in a while but that's the best price I've seen.

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Now I'm not questioning you guys, I just kinda want to know why things are how they are:

-Isn't **-**x40 > **-**x24 ?

Is it just brand/build quality? What about the specs?

I've bought a grand total of two centerfire rifle scopes for two completely differently purposed rifles and am in the process of buying a third while conducting initial research on a fourth. There are folks out there with a lot more experience in this arena than I do ITT, but I've found this basic advice helpful.

Step One: Identify Magnification Range You Want
Step Two: Identify Desired Reticle/Illumination
Step Three: Identify Desired Focal Plane
Step Four: Identify Desired Size Characteristics (Tube Size, Objective Size, Weight)


Right off the bat, the Nikon has exposed turrets and a BDC reticle, which doesn't make any sense. Neither one has a parallax adjustment, and the tubes on these are both one inch. The Nikon is also about 3 oz heavier. You're going to spend $50-80 on a cantilevered scope mount (non-QD) to make it usable.

If you're going to completely cheap out, this scope has the same mag range, is about as heavy as the Nikon, and costs half as much: http://www.primaryarms.com/pa3-9x44sfp

If you're willing to accept the extra weight, this one has significantly more features at a lower price point than either of the ones you posted: http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-a...ly-2016-pa416x

Thanks Ike.

I'm not looking to cheap out. But this is just going to be budget scope for fun at the range and taking shots no more than 100yards ussually.

I am willing to spend a bit more than $200. Its just what I was originally looking at that landed me at that price range.

[Tuksonrider]

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Now I'm not questioning you guys, I just kinda want to know why things are how they are:

-Isn't **-**x40 > **-**x24 ?

Is it just brand/build quality? What about the specs?



Thanks Ike.

I'm not looking to cheap out. But this is just going to be budget scope for fun at the range and taking shots no more than 100yards ussually.

I am willing to spend a bit more than $200. Its just what I was originally looking at.

I like the primary arms FFP 4-14x44 w/ parallax adj. and a 30mm tube for $230. Really a great scope at that price mark.
http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-a...dot-pa4-14xffp

The larger obj lens allows more light transmission. Really helpful at max power, or during dawn/dusk lighting.

[rahfulz]

Because I was jelly of blumps smoked chicken...

[Wakaaa]

Fuuuuuk rahfulz I just ate and am stuffed but that looks so hnnnnnnnng

[Ikeman83]

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Now I'm not questioning you guys, I just kinda want to know why things are how they are:

-Isn't **-**x40 > **-**x24 ?

Is it just brand/build quality? What about the specs?



Thanks Ike.

I'm not looking to cheap out. But this is just going to be budget scope for fun at the range and taking shots no more than 100yards ussually.

I am willing to spend a bit more than $200. Its just what I was originally looking at that landed me at that price range.

A 24mm objective lens is not necessarily worse than a 40mm objective lens. It 100% depends on the glass. The size of the objective lens determines how much light comes into the scope, which is then transmitted to your eye. An extremely clear lens (Trijicon) will allow for better/equal light transmission, even with a smaller objective compared to a ****tier lens.

You have to have an understanding of how optics "gather" light and how you experience color to understand how/why this makes sense. Everything that you see is a reflection of light from a source (i.e., the sun, a flashlight, the moon, stars) or a source itself (the computer screen you're looking at emits light, for example). When you look through a scope, you're seeing light from the sun bounce off the object you're aiming at, which is hitting every point on the objective lens on the scope at the same time, which is then being refracted inside the scope towards the ocular lens where it is focused onto your eyeball so that you can see it.

Very clear glass requires fewer "copies" of the image for a clear transmission of that image, which is why a scope with "good glass" or a scope used to shoot an object that is not very far away can get away with a 24mm objective. Likewise, this is why very expensive scopes used for long range and low-light will have very large objective lenses (50mm, even 56mm). Good glass is generally more expensive, especially if it is not an overly heavy scope.

[Ikeman83]

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Now I'm not questioning you guys, I just kinda want to know why things are how they are:

-Isn't **-**x40 > **-**x24 ?

Is it just brand/build quality? What about the specs?



Thanks Ike.

I'm not looking to cheap out. But this is just going to be budget scope for fun at the range and taking shots no more than 100yards ussually.

I am willing to spend a bit more than $200. Its just what I was originally looking at that landed me at that price range.

If what you want to do is shoot small groups for fun on targets that are almost always going to be at 100 yds, skip the BDC reticle. The entire point of getting a BDC reticle is to be able to take quick shots at targets of varying extended distances, and, on the better ones, to help you quickly range your target using the subtensions.

[hutch1999]

If what you want to do is shoot small groups for fun on targets that are almost always going to be at 100 yds, skip the BDC reticle. The entire point of getting a BDC reticle is to be able to take quick shots at targets of varying extended distances, and, on the better ones, to help you quickly range your target using the subtensions.

I think the biggest question is "what are you planning on using the optic for?"...


It seems like 1x optics are great choices for most of us normal AR shooters and enthusiasts.

[Raxys]

I think the biggest question is "what are you planning on using the optic for?"...

operating duh

[R3L3NTL3SS]

operating duh

Seriously. If this isn't the answer to that question, you may as well run no sights at all.

[blumpkin415]

Because I was jelly of blumps smoked chicken...

Mirin. Leftover smoked chicken has been turned into chicken salad by Mrs. Blump

Will be devouring tonight

[Ikeman83]

I think the biggest question is "what are you planning on using the optic for?"...


It seems like 1x optics are great choices for most of us normal AR shooters and enthusiasts.

I shot my 4x out to 600 yds earlier this year. While it is definitely far, for my first time doing it it was not absurdly difficult. At 300 yds, shooting with a 4x is pretty easy, and that's with the Triangle reticle on an Accupoint.



I'd recommend a milling reticle or an MOA reticle with subtensions for what he's doing every time.

The rifle I'm doing the researching for is the wife's 18" SPR build, so I'm torn between something like a 1-8 BDC or something more like a 2-10 TMR that I have on my M14.

[Wakaaa]

I'll post pics of the new Glock for you boyos

It's been 26 hours+ pls respawn

I haven't slept yet waiting for a pic

[tooKOOLforSKOOL]

Any of you guys paintball? I went for the first time last week and it was insanely fun. Seems like a decent way to get some realistic training. Very surprised at how realistic and tiring it was.

[Farley1324]

Any of you guys paintball? I went for the first time last week and it was insanely fun. Seems like a decent way to get some realistic training. Very surprised at how realistic and tiring it was.

Realistic in what ways?

[blumpkin415]

On another note, I've been trying to condense LTC Grossman's book "On Killing" into a class/talk/presentation for my soldiers as we begin preparing for deployment. Hell of a lot of info to try and condense.

[SpeedCheeser]

Realistic in what ways?

I imagine that if a gun fight ever broke out in a bouncy castle farm, it would be a lot like paintball. People running around, taking cover behind large inflatables, and spamming rounds across the field.

[hutch1999]

Realistic in what ways?

I hated paintball guns purely because bs trigger flicking non aiming hip fire lol

inb4 abspr

On another note, I've been trying to condense LTC Grossman's book "On Killing" into a class/talk/presentation for my soldiers as we begin preparing for deployment. Hell of a lot of info to try and condense.

Just pretend you're doing MISC CLIFFS

[Meatie]

Realistic in what ways?

used to airsoft in highschool and chit would get out of hand and my friend would tackle me, grab the safety mask off my face and shot me point blank in the nose with a handgun srs. kicked him off and had a hi powered AR15 airsoft fully auto and just let it rip at the back of his head when he was trying to get away lol it would get carried away very fast


if thats not realistic then i dont know what is

[blumpkin415]

used to airsoft in highschool and chit would get out of hand and my friend would tackle me, grab the safety mask off my face and shot me point blank in the nose with a handgun srs. kicked him off and had a hi powered AR15 airsoft fully auto and just let it rip at the back of his head when he was trying to get away lol it would get carried away very fast


if thats not realistic then i dont know what is

Airsoft guns are like tampons. They prevent pussies from becoming a bloody mess

[omnip0tent]

Hmmm thanks for the good info guys. Im on spread with most of you, but got u when im off.

Other than PA any other shops I NEED to check out if shopping around for scopes online?

[tooKOOLforSKOOL]

Realistic in what ways?

I played in an abandoned mansion. It was pretty stressful going from room to room and going around corners. I imagine dealing with home invaders would be similar.

[Raxys]

Hmmm thanks for the good info guys. Im on spread with most of you, but got u when im off.

Other than PA any other shops I NEED to check out if shopping around for scopes online?

once you know which one you want you can check /r/gundeals

[ibedanny]

Because I was jelly of blumps smoked chicken...

Mirin that hairline, I mean meal.

[Mortar34]

Hmmm thanks for the good info guys. Im on spread with most of you, but got u when im off.

Other than PA any other shops I NEED to check out if shopping around for scopes online?

Check Optics Planet too. Sometimes if you look at something for a while it'll give you an option to live chat with someone who will offer you some percentage off.

[ibedanny]

once you know which one you want you can check /r/gundeals

That Reddit thread makes me hate my wallet. It's terrible