BREAKING: Possible attack on Barcelona

[Aristotelian]

aristolean its time to stop posting

ur so cool kid. Tnx

I would actually agree most of what you say. Regarding on the large amounts of refugees already in ME countries - funds being spent on those in Europe would be better used if funneled to these countries to assist in refugee efforts. I know the UN has requested funds already for this purpose.

I also expect a resonating effect with radicalization in these now impoverished communities of refugees. It's a populace that already harbors some disdain for western culture and is already being targeted for radicalization. When these groups aren't forced to assimilate and toxic ideology festers, it likely won't rear it's head until years later.

And I'm not suggesting we're going to face a Muslim takeover, but I do expect to see more terrorism spawned from poor Muslim communities that radicals will infiltrate. Street gangs recruit on a very similar basis.

Thanks for reading the post. The problem is that the EU already gives, e.g., Turkey, a substantial amount of funds for it to deal with its own refugees, this follows from the EU-Turkey Statement. But it's never enough - the EU gives EUR 3 billion and Turkey responds "that's great and everything but we've spent EUR 25 billion so far so..." and the tension in policy makers is therefore "what do do" - in the face of too many voters that are mistaken when they vote for open borders (Macron), and I'm even against Schengen, and thought it was good that the United Kingdom managed to stay out of it. This is the cultural part though.

There are legitimate asylum seekers, and those do have to be processed - they have a right to it under international humanitarian law. So the idea to just 'build a wall' isn't going to work; the idea to fingerprint/scan/check can only work to an extent; and the completion of the strategy has to be countering the ideology. This is to prevent radicalization and what those who support violent jihad are seeking - a generational conflict - this is what they want. To fight that, you have to crush the ideology behind it.

So you're saying all these types of attacks happened 10 years ago, but we just never heard about them?

I don't know what you mean by "all these types of attacks" but the 7/7 bombings (2005); Glasgow Airport (2007); Fort Hood (2009); Stockholm suicide bomb (2010); Frankfurt Airport shooting (2011); Toulouse shooting (2012); Burgas bus bombing (2012); Attack in Benghazi on the consulate (2012) where I lost one of my best friends in life...

The attacks have been going on for a while and the response has consistently been inadequate because people have thought it is not 'politically correct' to say what it is. There are people in the EU who are loathe to put "migration" and "terrorism" in the same sentence because of this, but that's not my argument - my argument is that there is a way to fight what is happening here and what has happened for so long, if we become willing to smash the ideological basis which underpins violent jihad. That's what has to be destroyed.

[chalup]

Imagine for a second if the entire media apparatus condemned this attack as "alt-left" violence, and forced every Democrat to call it out by name and denounce it.

The left unfortunately can't even comprehend the point you are making and literally have no answer or counter response to it. They will either deflect back to something else or just not respond to this horrible act by a religion that continues to be the only thing in common with these kinds of attacks around the world.

[dabbmw2002]

Why does everything have to be left vs right for you guys? Muslim extremist are a scourge on our world. Border security does need to be beefed up around the world to try to prevent as much of this as possible. Unfortunately I don't think much can be done since so many of these types of actions are committed by folks already in the country and radicalized.

great point, if we stop letting them in we can limit the possible damage to those already here.

[tornister]

another video from attack (graphic)

https://streamable.com/2tx32

[PickleBrah]

I can't even get mad anymore about any of this...

great point, if we stop letting them out we can limit the possible damage to those already here.

Cheeky last line of your sig

another video from attack (graphic)

https://streamable.com/2tx32

How sad, they'll probably try to combat this atrocity by taking in a few more million Muslims to combat oppressive bigotry comments on Social Media.

[Aristotelian]

Lol. I can't make this **** up guys.

If he was there on a tourist visa is that "migration" to you? If he migrated to Spain 20 years ago was that still the "migration problem" that is often referred to, or could it be "radicalization" as I have been saying for pages now?

I mean is all you do post pictures and quotes and write 'lol' because you're incapable of actually putting forward an argument? How pathetic.

Why does everything have to be left vs right for you guys? Muslim extremist are a scourge on our world. Border security does need to be beefed up around the world to try to prevent as much of this as possible. Unfortunately I don't think much can be done since so many of these types of actions are committed by folks already in the country and radicalized.

Turns out I'm not the only one putting forward this argument.

are you serious? lmfao kill yourself

Another "lmao" "lol" kid posting. Shh, adults are talking here about something serious - a terrorist attack, and the issues surrounding that.

[SillieBazzillie]

It's left vs right because the left invited them in with open arms?

Even if true, why does that make it left vs right? It's a problem for everyone.

[TheBodfather94]

Why does everything have to be left vs right for you guys? Muslim extremist are a scourge on our world. Border security does need to be beefed up around the world to try to prevent as much of this as possible. Unfortunately I don't think much can be done since so many of these types of actions are committed by folks already in the country and radicalized.

In a lot of these sorts of attacks (especially the ones in the UK) the offenders were previously known to the police, but due to the "That's Islamophobic!!!" culture we live in, nothing was done.

[FrazettaSilke]

another video from attack (graphic)

https://streamable.com/2tx32

those poor people.

[dabbmw2002]

Even if true, why does that make it left vs right? It's a problem for everyone.

It's a problem the Right is trying to solve, and the Left is trying to prevent them from doing so.

[BaconEggs]

Are you trying to be edgy? Are you a racist? What the hell do you think these terror attacks have to do with migration? We are talking about Europe here - Paris, Brussels, Berlin, London, Barcelona, and the list goes on - what do you think the attacks have had to do with migration?

I mean we're in a subforum of the misc, is such blatant trolling and trying to "be edgy for the lulz" really allowed?

You have to be trolling, can't believe someone can be this stupid. What country are you from?

[SillieBazzillie]

In a lot of these sorts of attacks (especially the ones in the UK) the offenders were previously known to the police, but due to the "That's Islamophobic!!!" culture we live in, nothing was done.

I find that difficult to believe.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

This is so sad...... I'm scared to see the world in 5 years.

[BetaAsPhuck]

, if we become willing to smash the ideological basis which underpins violent jihad. That's what has to be destroyed.

I agree.

I am against the EU migration policy. However, it's clear that you can't prevent an ideology from coming into a country, you need to challenge it. Which the mainstream seems reluctant to do, or is in denial.

[soaponarope1]

I find that difficult to believe.

Google didn't. In fairness I just looked at the first article I got, I'm sure there are a ton more though if it is this easy to find --

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wn-police.html

[Aristotelian]

You have to be trolling, can't believe someone can be this stupid. What country are you from?

Stupid? Yet another person who doesn't put forward an argument? Read this child, then take a guess who you're talking about and to:

I find that difficult to believe.

I know for a fact that the Netherlands had provided Belgium with information regarding at least 2 of the persons involved in the Brussels airport attack, and nothing was done - this was part of the reason why Belgium's Minister for the Interior offered his resignation after the bombings, though this element (of the Dutch cooperation) was not well publicized.

[Griggz]

If he was there on a tourist visa is that "migration" to you? If he migrated to Spain 20 years ago was that still the "migration problem" that is often referred to, or could it be "radicalization" as I have been saying for pages now?

I mean is all you do post pictures and quotes and write 'lol' because you're incapable of actually putting forward an argument? How pathetic.



Turns out I'm not the only one putting forward this argument.



Another "lmao" "lol" kid posting. Shh, adults are talking here about something serious - a terrorist attack, and the issues surrounding that.

Of course the goal is to defeat the ideas that create radicalism. It always has been. But the first step is closing the door to every western country, in my opinion. Go to the twitter profile I sent you. This is the type of stance I take.

[Dave22reborn]

It's left vs right because the left invited them in with open arms?

Actually they did.

[Nihiliste]

Even if true, why does that make it left vs right? It's a problem for everyone.

Most on the left won't acknowledge that its a problem and currently that makes it left vs right. Believe me, I long for the day where everyone unites on this issue.

[chalup]

Even if true, why does that make it left vs right? It's a problem for everyone.

It is a problem for everyone. The problem with left vs right is the left thinks we can co-exist with a religion that's ideals are against every one of our ideals. You can't stomp out radicalization unless we extremely decrease or stop taking them in. The left disagrees with that completely. That IS a right vs left.

[BetaAsPhuck]

I find that difficult to believe.

There is truth that a number have been known to the police. Some were reported multiple times to the police for expressing jihadist views, and should have been under serious surveillance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-launch-fresh/

One of the attackers literally appeared in a documentary on national TV about extremism, as an example. I chit you not...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...mentary-tried/

Regarding the charge that the police aren't reports or suveillance seriously due to toxic PC climate... I don't know.

We do know that the Rotherham child abuse scandal (where 1400 kids were sexually abused by Muslim asian gangs), it was openly admitted that they didn't properly investigate reports due to fear of being branded racists.

[YesWayNoWeigh]

Wow didn't know Spain had neo nazis

[BetaAsPhuck]

I know for a fact that the Netherlands had provided Belgium with information regarding at least 2 of the persons involved in the Brussels airport attack, and nothing was done -

I've heard that too many times. I don't know what the phuck is going through their minds.

Perhaps they are just stretched too thin, and if so, that speaks volumes.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Wow didn't know Spain had neo nazis

We all know what you are alluding to.

Do you have to push US politics into this thread?

[21stCenturyKid]

Here's a good a way to begin mitigating Islamic terrorist attacks: Forbidding all people of Middle-Eastern descent from living-in or entering the country. The ones currently within must be expelled as well; in need not matter if they are "doctors" or "lawyers" or children who have been born there. I would go one step further and remove all non-Caucasians in the process.

[Clives_Bicep]

Cover the bodies if they are dead.

Why do people think to go on twitter before doing that ****?

Spastics

this.

Atleast the kids. The fact that the first thing to do right after is to pull out your phone for video...wtf.

[Dave22reborn]

Don't worry guys, I'm sure we'll get tons of coverage from the left villanizing these people, and HBO VICE doing a special on these attacks.

[soaponarope1]

CNN doing some heavy investigation to see if this is a copycat of Charlottesville





Just lol at these morons, can they even push an agenda without being blatantly obvious....

[FrazettaSilke]

this.

Atleast the kids. The fact that the first thing to do right after is to pull out your phone for video...wtf.

Actually I think it's good. Maybe if people are shown the horrors that these filth bring, it will help them understand that Islam is not a religion of peace.

[CaliSuperSport]

Wow didn't know Spain had neo nazis

Black soccer players have been boo'd off the field before and had bananas thrown at them