LOL at Capitalist logic

[BrocepCurls]

Capitalist: I support capitalism because people who work hard should be rewarded for working hard!

Socialist: Er, yeah, that's exactly why we're opposed to capitalism. Under capitalism the majority of humanity aren't properly rewarded for the hard work they do, most of the result of that hard work goes to the capitalist owner as profit.

Capitalist: .... you just want to take other people's hard work!

Socialist: No, again, that's exactly what we oppose, the entire reason our movement exists. Under capitalism, billions of working people work very hard to ultimately get the value they create taken by a few individuals at the top, just because the state enforces it using the threat of violence. If you're opposed to peoples' hard work being taken en masse, you should be diametrically opposed to capitalism.

Capitalist: *sweating profusely*... bbbut I was told capitalism is freedom!

Socialist: Maybe you were told that, but capitalism allows a class of economic elites, who became economic elites only through the extensive labour of billions of other people, to have near total control over the economy, society, and the political system. How is that freedom for the masses?

Capitalist: ......

I've had so many conversations with pro-capitalists that basically go exactly as above. Why do they struggle so much with basic logic?

[wesleysh21]

You said you were doing well in this system. Were you lying?

[Tears]

Didn't read


Negged *******

[nutsy54]

Dear OP...

What utopian Socialist country do you live in?
PS: If your "basic logic" is so great, pease list all the successful Socialist countries in the world today...

[DVANPATTEN]

Capitalist: I believe that both theory and history have shown that individualism both creates wealth for the individual and society as a whole and protects the natural rights of everyone, while socialism does the exact opposite as can be shown by history and using basic logic.

Why do you confuse freedom in the sense of the categorical imperative with a freedom from life's hardships?
Also, just build a socialist society within a capitalist one, people will see the light and the oppressive system is toppled in no time.

[cashinout]

economic elite checking in

it must suck knowing we will always win, OP

[KingSWRV]

This person has disabilities. Op has some seriously maligned views in general about everything lol.

[BrocepCurls]

economic elite checking in

it must suck knowing we will always win, OP

You aren't elite anything, you're a wage earning cuckold

[cashinout]

You aren't elite anything, you're a wage earning cuckold

need a job bro?

[Slayermanlet]

Capitalism rewards working smart, not necessarily working hard

[TacticalTaco]

I make **** tons of money and don't plan on sharing it.

U mad?

[BrocepCurls]

Capitalist: I believe that both theory and history have shown that individualism both creates wealth for the individual and society as a whole and protects the natural rights of everyone, while socialism does the exact opposite as can be shown by history and using basic logic.

Why do you confuse freedom in the sense of the categorical imperative with a freedom from life's hardships?
Also, just build a socialist society within a capitalist one, people will see the light and the oppressive system is toppled in no time.

You already failed the test by espousing the exact same potato logic I made an example of in the OP.

[nutsy54]

You already failed the test by espousing the exact same potato logic I made an example of in the OP.

Your "example" was a work of fictional writing.

Still wondering... What awesome Socialist country do you live in? (Either by birth or by choice). And what are some examples of successful, flourishing Socialist countries today?

Facts, not fiction.

[DVANPATTEN]

You already failed the test by espousing the exact same potato logic I made an example of in the OP.

LOL at you

"majority of humanity aren't properly rewarded for the hard work they do"
Socialist isn't aware that reward is based on mutual agreement, thinks he knows what is fair better than the parties involved

"most of the result of that hard work goes to the capitalist owner as profit"
Socialist doesn't know profit margins are usually 0-5%

"peoples' hard work being taken en masse"
Socialist wants to literally take the results of work and distribute how he wants to

"capitalism allows a class of economic elites"
Socialist isn't aware that literally billions of people rose from extreme poverty thanks to capitalism

"near total control over the economy, society, and the political system"
Socialist thinks politics is taken over by capitalist but wants to give politicians more power

Nice potato logic you exposed there OP

[BrocepCurls]

Your "example" was a work of fictional writing.

Still wondering... What awesome Socialist country do you live in? (Either by birth or by choice). And what are some examples of successful, flourishing Socialist countries today?

Facts, not fiction.

There are no socialist countries in the world today. Capitalists are backed by the force of the state and so don't give up their power easily, so it hasn't yet happened (outside of a few small communes in history).

What you are saying is essentially equivalent to a peasant living under a feudal lord in the 1500s saying: "What awesome democratic society do you live in? And what are some examples of successful, flourishing democratic countries today? You're suggesting we get to vote on who rules us? Nice utopian fantasy, *******"

More potato logic.

[DontCallMePapi]

This has to be the cringiest commie thread ever created. Terrible.

[BrocepCurls]

LOL at you

"majority of humanity aren't properly rewarded for the hard work they do"
Socialist isn't aware that reward is based on mutual agreement, thinks he knows what is fair better than the parties involved

"most of the result of that hard work goes to the capitalist owner as profit"
Socialist doesn't know profit margins are usually 0-5%

"peoples' hard work being taken en masse"
Socialist wants to literally take the results of work and distribute how he wants to

"capitalism allows a class of economic elites"
Socialist isn't aware that literally billions of people rose from extreme poverty thanks to capitalism

"near total control over the economy, society, and the political system"
Socialist thinks politics is taken over by capitalist but wants to give politicians more power

Nice potato logic you exposed there OP

None of this has anything to do with socialism. You're thinking of social democracy, which is unrelated. Once you've understood that I'll respond to the rest of the post

[nutsy54]

There are no socialist countries in the world today.

Thus proving what an awesome system it is...

Capitalists are backed by the force of the state and so don't give up their power easily, so it hasn't yet happened (outside of a few small communes in history).

The constant refrain... failure is always someone else's fault.
Derp... the USSR was a "small commune".

[BrocepCurls]

Thus proving what an awesome system it is...


The constant refrain... failure is always someone else's fault.
Derp... the USSR was a "small commune".

Yes, capitalism by definition is one dominant class having control and ownership of the means of production in an economy. Since they are backed by the force of the state, and don't give up their power easily, other systems have not been able to emerge.

[Bentley41]

Yeah because people tie make rafts out of water bottles and try to swim across shark infested waters and armed guys in speed boats to escape free market capitalism.

[DVANPATTEN]

None of this has anything to do with socialism. You're thinking of social democracy, which is unrelated. Once you've understood that I'll respond to the rest of the post

Classic

Why don't you explain the difference between social democracy and socialism?

[SnowEh]

Yes, capitalism by definition is one dominant class having control and ownership of the means of production in an economy. Since they are backed by the force of the state, and don't give up their power easily, other systems have not been able to emerge.

This is why you're a troll or a potato

[BrocepCurls]

Classic

Why don't you explain the difference between social democracy and socialism?

Shouldn't be my job to teach you basic economics, but since you asked - socialism is an economy based around worker ownership and control over the means of production, totally in contrast with capitalism. Social democracy /"welfare capitalism" is a capitalist economy that has high taxation and extensive government services that try and provide safety nets and improve opportunity for those at the bottom (eg. Bernie Sandals, Nordic countries, etc - what you're talking about).

This is why you're a troll or a potato

That was basically the textbook definition of capitalism - private ownership of the means of production, an ownership title which indeed is enforced by the state. The capitalist class is a numerically small dominant class, the rest of humanity are wage labourers working for the capitalist class. Nothing other than a basic description of the economy we live in. Is this going to be like the last thread where you talked big then ducked out?

[linkherooftime]

There are some small communes that exist within the capitalist system so I think it's possible to reject the state at some point only by enforcing the abolition of capitalism. The problem is that the majority of socialists are bat**** insane and so out of touch of reality I don't want to give them more power, and given the history of China, Venezuela, Cuba it gets scary.

[nutsy54]

Yes, capitalism by definition is one dominant class having control and ownership of the means of production in an economy. Since they are backed by the force of the state, and don't give up their power easily, other systems have not been able to emerge.

Now you're claiming the history of the world has been primarily Capitalist countries/states, and none were Socialist?
Looks like you've shifted from Fiction to Comedy

[TacticalTaco]

Guys guys guys, we just haven't had a real communist country before. That whole Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, Maoist China stuff was just capitalism in disguise, that's why those countries failed so miserably.

[wesleysh21]

Dear OP...

What utopian Socialist country do you live in?
PS: If your "basic logic" is so great, pease list all the successful Socialist countries in the world today...

In other threads he talks about there being no leaders or "management," that people are basically all on the same level and can govern themselves. Full utopian potato.

[brighamw]

This has to be the cringiest commie thread ever created. Terrible.

[Polaris]

Like that time Stalin stole all the food /product of hard work from the Kulaks for example.

[IronRooster2]

Worker-owned bread-packing plants pay around $34 an hour. It's pretty clear having a Mr.Burns pocketing all your gainz is not in a worker's best interest.

More annoying is our media, and therefore the public thought, is controlled by what some capitalist thinks. If you're sick of hearing about SJW's, Bruce Jenner, or Shades of Grey, well... the reason these things get pushed is because they know they'll rile you up, or because their niece is a fangirl of said bookporn.

Sadly it's impossible to create an institution that doesn't want to protect itself. PBS = plutocrat's broadcasting station. NPR = national plutocrat's radio. Planned Parenthood opposes universal medicare on the basis that it would lower the profit of the people it employs, despite universal medicare being the best thing possible for the health of women and men.

tldr, we're fukked