Illinois Senate Approves $15 Hourly Minimum Wage

[xXxHussarxXx]

Great job Illinois. Now companies will just double their prices since they're paying twice as much for labor. Landlords will increase their prices because who wouldn't want the free money? People who earned more than the minimum wage will slowly see their wages rise and everyone will be right where they started. The only difference will be that when you look at your bank account, it will feel like you're richer.

[ButWhoWasLogic]

[DropSetDemon]

Brb moving to Illinois and bankin all my paycheck then moving back where wages are lower

[Zbrah17]

My province just had the NDP (pretty far left) and Green Party form a coalition government and are raising min wage to 15$ as well smh. They're doing it immediately too not even gradually increasing over the years

A couple of other provinces have it planned and I wouldn't be surprised if all of Canada has it in a few years

[Weightaholic]

Great job Illinois. Now companies will just double their prices since they're paying twice as much for labor. Landlords will increase their prices because who wouldn't want the free money? People who earned more than the minimum wage will slowly see their wages rise and everyone will be right where they started. The only difference will be that when you look at your bank account, it will feel like you're richer.

Where on earth do you guys get the crap from?

[Rockhard44]

Question for liberals: Do you honestly believe a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds (a JOB to get yourself on your feet again) deserves basically the same amount of income as many tradesman like construction workers, machinists, mechanics, etc. (a CAREER that requires actual knowledge and experience)?

If you answer yes, you're a retard.

[Haste007]

I think it was over 5 years incremental wage increases until it hits the $15 mark and not right away.

[BrahPlease]

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

[Dave22reborn]

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

Okay troll, what happens to those already making 15 dollars an hour?

[BrahPlease]

Okay troll, what happens to those already making 15 dollars an hour?

So you start with a strawman argument calling me a troll? You dont call people trolls who have a different opinion than you. What about the people making $15? They sill still make $15.

We arent talking like bumping min wage by $100 or anything. This is like $5. The reason employers are crying and saying the world will collapse is because they want to keep it business as usual. They are lucky they got away so long with poverty $8 an hour in 2017 that is ridiculous

[AlwaysFocus]

ITT miscers think raising a minimum wage to 15$ (double wages?) Will mean double prices?

Economics not even once.



I made 8 dollars an hour like 17 years ago. I can't believe it hasn't gone much from there.

The cost of living has sky rocketed in comparison.

[swoleyo]

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

Are you kidding me? As a landlord I'm already thinking about how to pitch to my tenants that I need to raise there rent. You think I'm the only one? LOL

[A-GAME]

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

Wages are stagnant because of supply and demand. Stop importing low skilled workers en masse and watch how quickly minimum wage rises naturally. If there wasn't a never-ending flow of unskilled labour, then businesses would be forced to raise the minimum wage.

[Contribution05]

I personally don't even want $15 min wage but seriously...So much misconception in here. No one who thinks the min wage needs to go up thinks a burger flipper should make as much as a tradesman. If fast food makes $15 an hour than tradesman makes $20+ an hour.

If min wage goes up to $15 sure prices of everything else will raise...but that min wage worker almost just doubled their income. So unless everything doubles in price (which won't happen, the price increases will be smaller than that) that min wage worker will have more buying power and a higher standard of living.

Family owns businesses though, so I would be fine with it staying $8.25 or a smaller jump like $10

[StoliFun]

In b4 Marxism.

[Razor Beast]

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

It will get passed on through higher costs of goods and services provided by those same companies who employ the workers. Or it will lead to increased automation to save costs which leads to job cuts. Or headcounts will just be reduced to the bare minimum affecting the quality and speed of service provided. Businesses that are minimally viable could end up closing creating more job losses. What you fail to understand here is there is no free lunch.

[SnowEh]

I personally don't even want $15 min wage but seriously...So much misconception in here. No one who thinks the min wage needs to go up thinks a burger flipper should make as much as a tradesman. If fast food makes $15 an hour than tradesman makes $20+ an hour.

If min wage goes up to $15 sure prices of everything else will raise...but that min wage worker almost just doubled their income. So unless everything doubles in price (which won't happen, the price increases will be smaller than that) that min wage worker will have more buying power and a higher standard of living.

Family owns businesses though, so I would be fine with it staying $8.25 or a smaller jump like $10

That's only true for the minimum wage worker that was lucky enough to keep their job. You assume they will all stay employed. They won't. Employers will now have to adjust to the increased costs. This hurts employees more than employers. Politicians want you to believe that they can punish employers from being so 'cheap' by raising the wages. It's just for votes. They want you to think they can make you more money by forcing businesses to pay you more. And you fell for it. Employers will lay off workers, remove services and/or raise prices and carry on as usual. The ones that get hurt the most are the employees who get fired, hours reduced, benefits removed.
It's all supply and demand. If you increase the price of the supply (labour), demand for it goes down.
If you think businesses can afford to raise prices to pay for the "small" raise in wages then why didn't they raise prices before the new wage increase and just pocket the profits? Why wait?
Costs for everything would be going down in the U.S but the Fed is too busy inflating that your wages are worth less and less.

[melDorado]

Itt people on $15an hour get upset because now other people will also get 15$ an hour

Ok

[ODBM]

Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to support families. They're meant for young kids who need gas money, and old folks who are otherwise bored out of their minds. Also yes, the mental gymnastics the left has to do when advocating both for illegals to come here and work cheaply, and for the minimum wage to increase to $15, is absolutely astounding.

[US_Ranger]

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

Bro, I agree about wage stagnation. You can't live (even as a single person) on the current minimum wage unless you're in bumfuk Nebraska somewhere.

That being said, you have ZERO idea what you're talking about when it comes to employers. Have you ever owned a small business or do you know anyone that owns a small business? During the first few years (if they even make it), the margin is extremely slim. Most can't even afford to hire someone and if they do, it's 1-2 people to help with hours so the owner can sleep or take care of other things. Running the minimum wage up makes small businesses hire less people, lay people off or just work all the hours themselves. I've personally seen this happen and you can ask any small business owner with small margins if they agree with me and they will.

The price of EVERYTHING goes up when costs go up. That's also fact. Raise the cost of gas, groceries now cost more because moving groceries to the store costs more. Raise the cost of wages, the price of the food being served goes up in order to cover the increased cost. A business that makes 4k a month isn't going to magically just accept 2k a month instead when wages go up for all their employees. No, the cost will increase to make up for it.

Go to San Francisco and see for yourself. Nothing like a 20 dollar breakfast (and that's cheap for the city)

[US_Ranger]

Itt people on $15an hour get upset because now other people will also get 15$ an hour

Ok

Nah, it's people like me who get fcked over.

I'm in emergency medicine (non hospital side) so years of school and non-stop training have put me in a spot to make a whopping 20 bucks an hour with my profession. It's whatever, that's life. But now when minimum wage hits 15, all that schooling and training I did to get to 20 makes it worth less. I could have just flipped burgers and almost made the same amount. Of course they could raise my wage but that won't happen. It's always the rich people and the poor people who get everything handed to them. Everyone in the middle (especially lower middle) gets fcked in the ass.

[superiorlogic]

ITT miscers think raising a minimum wage to 15$ (double wages?) Will mean double prices?

Economics not even once.



I made 8 dollars an hour like 17 years ago. I can't believe it hasn't gone much from there.

The cost of living has sky rocketed in comparison.

Except minimum wage isn't meant to support a grown ass man. Cost of living is irrelevant.

How about you stop treating adults like incompetent children? Only 2% of the entire US work force actually earns minimum wage. What incentive does making $15/hour give to improving one's situation? Oh that's right, none

BRB making all the wrong choices in life and getting to live life on Easy St

BRB dropping out of high school and going to work at Hardees because why not? An easy $600 a week paid for by better people than me

BRB life should be easy at the expense of other people. You liberal scum make me sick (serious)

[Razor Beast]

I personally don't even want $15 min wage but seriously...So much misconception in here. No one who thinks the min wage needs to go up thinks a burger flipper should make as much as a tradesman. If fast food makes $15 an hour than tradesman makes $20+ an hour.

If min wage goes up to $15 sure prices of everything else will raise...but that min wage worker almost just doubled their income. So unless everything doubles in price (which won't happen, the price increases will be smaller than that) that min wage worker will have more buying power and a higher standard of living.

Prices will go up and jobs will be lost. And guess who has to subsidize the cost of minimum wage hikes resulting in the loss of jobs creating the increase in welfare recipients. The gubmint - THROUGH the middle class taxpayer.

[AlwaysFocus]

Except minimum wage isn't meant to support a grown ass man. Cost of living is irrelevant.

How about you stop treating adults like incompetent children? Only 2% of the entire US work force actually earns minimum wage. What incentive does making $15/hour give to improving one's situation? Oh that's right, none

BRB making all the wrong choices in life and getting to live life on Easy St

BRB dropping out of high school and going to work at Hardees because why not? An easy $600 a week paid for by better people than me

BRB life should be easy at the expense of other people. You liberal scum make me sick (serious)

I'm not a liberal

[pogioli4]

okay so instead of complaining about the inevitable how about someone post something useful, like maybe when these increases are starting?
fully expect prices to increase a bit purely because there is an argument for it, not cuz of need. and I doubt layoffs will be noticeably worse because employee turnover is already sky high in several industries. seeing drastic change there would mean businesses no longer functioning. it's gonna come down to the same Cold War between employers and employees there always has been. stupid idea to go to 15/hr right now so I'm assuming this is over a certain period of time? so it might actually balance out. and there is no doubting that minimum wage has not been rising as it should be. again, need more deets to assess the situation better.

link please

[deplorablepepe]

Where on earth do you guys get the crap from?

You guys are idiots. The min wage has been stagnant as hell. Employers have been LUCKY for the longest time paying people so little. Its 2017. $15 is nothing. It should already be $15.

Employers are just greedy as fuack. Dont side with employers. The price of nothing will go up, why would it? Do you know how little the change from $8 to $15 is? Lmao $8 an hour is like 1995 pay.

Get with the times.

So you start with a strawman argument calling me a troll? You dont call people trolls who have a different opinion than you. What about the people making $15? They sill still make $15.

We arent talking like bumping min wage by $100 or anything. This is like $5. The reason employers are crying and saying the world will collapse is because they want to keep it business as usual. They are lucky they got away so long with poverty $8 an hour in 2017 that is ridiculous

ITT miscers think raising a minimum wage to 15$ (double wages?) Will mean double prices?

Economics not even once.



I made 8 dollars an hour like 17 years ago. I can't believe it hasn't gone much from there.

The cost of living has sky rocketed in comparison.

I personally don't even want $15 min wage but seriously...So much misconception in here. No one who thinks the min wage needs to go up thinks a burger flipper should make as much as a tradesman. If fast food makes $15 an hour than tradesman makes $20+ an hour.

If min wage goes up to $15 sure prices of everything else will raise...but that min wage worker almost just doubled their income. So unless everything doubles in price (which won't happen, the price increases will be smaller than that) that min wage worker will have more buying power and a higher standard of living.

Family owns businesses though, so I would be fine with it staying $8.25 or a smaller jump like $10

All the womens studies majors and mathematically illiterate have been identified. Go study economics.

[Apollo 13]

ITT miscers think raising a minimum wage to 15$ (double wages?) Will mean double prices?

Economics not even once.



I made 8 dollars an hour like 17 years ago. I can't believe it hasn't gone much from there.

The cost of living has sky rocketed in comparison.

min wage in the U.S was $5.15 at that time.

[HockeyBacon18]

Question for liberals

If you answer yes, you're a retard.

shame that these two are usually hand in hand

minimum wage jobs are for high school and college kids who need booze money for weekends, not for people who are trying to raise a family.


EDIT:

What about the people making $15? They sill still make $15.

do you not see this as a problem? the man who went to school for a trade suddenly lost his advantage of schooling and now is making the same as the fuktard who put pickles on my burger after i specifically said no pickles.

not to mention when prices inevitably increase, his purchasing power decreases

[Sleev-les]

Question for liberals: Do you honestly believe a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds (a JOB to get yourself on your feet again) deserves basically the same amount of income as many tradesman like construction workers, machinists, mechanics, etc. (a CAREER that requires actual knowledge and experience)?

If you answer yes, you're a retard.

My first job was at Taco Bell when I was 15. Minimum wage was $4.35 at the time. Those jobs were not meant for a career and lifetime gig. It was an introduction into the workforce. Nowadays the expectation that you should be able to live off of flipping burgers at 40 years old is ridiculous. I've seen how it shifted from teens working fast food and retail etc to adults expecting to live off that kind of job. Its so sad. To think otherwise is ludicrous. I've also been reading articles like McDonald's and automating their ordering system for example. This is one of the ways these company's will shift the burden of paying more for their employee's. I'm not sure how this isn't seen, but go ahead and let this idea collapse.

[IH8RICE]

Question for liberals: Do you honestly believe a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds (a JOB to get yourself on your feet again) deserves basically the same amount of income as many tradesman like construction workers, machinists, mechanics, etc. (a CAREER that requires actual knowledge and experience)?

If you answer yes, you're a retard.

Then why the fuk ask the question if you're already prefacing that any answer that isn't to your standard is retarded? Anyway, all those people make more money than that, and if they don't, their path to raises and such are much faster than McDonald's and such. You also act like McDonald's and companies like them haven't already been automating most of their positions.