BCAA's: Pill vs. Powder?

[lucia316]

Do you feel bcaa's serve any type of purpose?

I believe in a thing called love...oh and I love sock accounts that ask lame questions.



Edited to add awesome!

[ILPump]

I believe in a thing called love...oh and I love sock accounts that ask lame questions.



Edited to add awesome!

That was an interesting video choice reps for life. BCAA's are still needed, especially for the folks who aren't taking in proper amounts of protein, we could sit here and debate this for days or just agree to use them when needed

[Farley1324]

BCAA's are still needed

[lucia316]

That was an interesting video choice reps for life. BCAA's are still needed, especially for the folks who aren't taking in proper amounts of protein, we could sit here and debate this for days or just agree to use them when needed

You're misunderstanding the debate then. No one said leucine, isoleucine and valine were un-needed. All three are essential amino acids, thus needed via diet since your body cannot make them. If you're meeting your macro you're getting plenty via your diet, thus supplementing free-form is not needed. If folks aren't taking in proper amounts of protein, they need to fix that issue, not attempt to shore up a crappy diet with 3 free form amino acids.

[ILPump]

[Farley1324]

I think we all know who won that little face off. Solid gif choice given the circumstances

[ILPump]

You're misunderstanding the debate then. No one said leucine, isoleucine and valine were un-needed. All three are essential amino acids, thus needed via diet since your body cannot make them. If you're meeting your macro you're getting plenty via your diet, thus supplementing free-form is not needed. If folks aren't taking in proper amounts of protein, they need to fix that issue, not attempt to shore up a crappy diet with 3 free form amino acids.

I fully understand, and what you need to realize is that nearly everyone here falls short on their daily protein goals, so BCAA's are an easy alternative and will fit into just about everyone's daily regimen.

[ILPump]

I think we all know who won that little face off. Solid gif choice given the circumstances

Anyone with a 6-figure post count should know the importance of BCAA's

[Farley1324]

nearly everyone here falls short on their daily protein goals

lol, no

[OT2000]

I fully understand, and what you need to realize is that nearly everyone here falls short on their daily protein goals, so BCAA's are an easy alternative and will fit into just about everyone's daily regimen.

What is your weight and body fat percent?

[ILPump]

What is your weight and body fat percent?

I'm around 185 and my body fat is always under 10% (naturally lean). My daily protein intake is usually on the lower side.

[VO2Maxima]

what you need to realize is that nearly everyone here falls short on their daily protein goals

Wut. I would truly hope this isn't true, and highly doubt that it is. And if someone is short on protein, that should be fixed first and foremost, before giving the slightest though to supplementing BCAAs.

[OT2000]

I'm around 185 and my body fat is always under 10% (naturally lean). My daily protein intake is usually on the lower side.

Congrats on the genetics (or hard work) for the naturally lean state.

An preferred protein intake whether cutting or bulking for you would be around 135g of protein based on your LBM. Going any higher will not necessarily yield a larger amount of muscle mass unless your overall weight(fat free mass) increases or you age which may require more leucine. I doubt that your protein intake is as low as you think it may be.

[TheFugitive]

I think we should be known as the bcaa crew, like em or not?

[Misctake7]

I fully understand, and what you need to realize is that nearly everyone here falls short on their daily protein goals, so BCAA's are an easy alternative and will fit into just about everyone's daily regimen.

Lol no

[Universal Rep]

In this context, "on point" simply means adequate protein, yes?

I would go so far as to argue that >1% of the people who post on the forum are getting adequate daily protein.

Yes and no to your first question. And I respect that you have an opinion on this, just as I have an opinion. The key here is making sure none of us ever disguise opinions as facts.

He was asking about BCAA specifically, not about all the other things you mention.
Not looking for an argument though.

The point is that if one takes in sufficient Protein, via food and/or powder, taking additional BCAA is pointless, a waste of money, and could also be counter productive.

Cheers.

Fine line between arguing and debating, but debating is always more fun. Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with your perspective. I don't think BCAA use is pointless. But I won't won't start a "bro science" war.

Please share your scientific data which tells us this is "key." I mean you've said it in the past that...

Too late. And just like that, the thread devolves into a pissing "bro science" contest.

Basically, it's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo that you like to tell yourself.

That's exactly right. This "mumbo jumbo" involves regular folks (translation, guys on the internet) reading pubmed and pretending they are all scientists (if you happen to be a scientist, the right kind here, I apologize in advance). And then they argue online to see who is smarter. As if being smart even mattered. I happen to think I'm a fairly smart guy. Not the smartest. Not the dumbest. Somewhere in the middle. But I don't think it's necessary to be perceived as the smartest guy in the room. As we all know, being the smartest guys in the room can get you in trouble. But I digress. What I do know though is that opinions should not masquerade and facts or worse, the "TRUTH."

And the worst part is, no one is answering the OP's question. Well, I did.

[Farley1324]

Yes and no to your first question. And I respect that you have an opinion on this, just as I have an opinion. The key here is making sure none of us ever disguise opinions as facts.

Then, in the context of supplemental free form BCAA, what constitutes a diet being on point?

[Universal Rep]

Then, in the context of supplemental free form BCAA, what constitutes a diet being on point?

That's sort of what I was driving at in my earlier post – the ambiguity and the meaningless of using the phrase "on point." Not only is it highly individualized, I'm not even sure it can even be empirically quantified (among individuals). If this is true, what is the point of debating? Let's just answer the OP's question. That's our job as reps, right?

The more interesting question to me is why we reps (at least some of us) use the phrase at all. Is it a form of shorthand for honesty?

[LoudyRowdy]

What is your opinion on using BCAA's in pill form rather than mixing it in water? Does either have any advantages/disadvantages over the other?

back to this...

Pills - no taste....must take in "10+" at once...can be more convenience since no shaker bottle/mixing is necessary

Powder - flavor....usually only require 1 scoop

Me personally? I opt to keep bcaa powder tubs in my office...

[Farley1324]

That's sort of what I was driving at in my earlier post – the ambiguity and the meaningless of using the phrase "on point." Not only is it highly individualized, I'm not even sure it can even be empirically quantified (among individuals). If this is true, what is the point of debating? Let's just answer the OP's question. That's our job as reps, right?

The more interesting question to me is why we reps (at least some of us) use the phrase at all. Is it a form of shorthand for honesty?

That is why context matters.

Let's make it a specific example. Maintenance or bulking calories, 1 or more grams of protein per lb of LBM, not training fasted.

Supplemental free form BCAA?

[NoCarbsNoSugar]

And the worst part is, no one is answering the OP's question. Well, I did.

Did you read the first few posts?
Actually, the OP's question is being answered by multiple folks.

Fine line between arguing and debating, but debating is always more fun. Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with your perspective. I don't think BCAA use is pointless. But I won't won't start a "bro science" war.

I can enjoy a good debate, and I won't pretend to know everything on the subject.
"Bro science wars", to use your words, I have no interest in.
Enough of those happenin' in here already.

Did you read everything I wrote, though?
I stated that if your Protein intake is up to level daily, BCAA use actually is pointless.
It could also be counter-productive to overuse BCAA, especially if it is done throughout the day.
I think there is sufficient scientific evidence to support this.

At around 180ish lbs, my daily Protein intake is often close to 200g.
Sometimes it goes above.
I like chicken and I like protein shakes

So here's the question:
If I take in 215g of Protein today from food and shakes, is there any point in also taking 2-3 servings of BCAA?

It is a simple question.
No "bro science" please, as per your request

Cheers.

[TheFugitive]

Yes and no to your first question. And I respect that you have an opinion on this, just as I have an opinion. The key here is making sure none of us ever disguise opinions as facts.



Fine line between arguing and debating, but debating is always more fun. Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with your perspective. I don't think BCAA use is pointless. But I won't won't start a "bro science" war.



Too late. And just like that, the thread devolves into a pissing "bro science" contest.



That's exactly right. This "mumbo jumbo" involves regular folks (translation, guys on the internet) reading pubmed and pretending they are all scientists (if you happen to be a scientist, the right kind here, I apologize in advance). And then they argue online to see who is smarter. As if being smart even mattered. I happen to think I'm a fairly smart guy. Not the smartest. Not the dumbest. Somewhere in the middle. But I don't think it's necessary to be perceived as the smartest guy in the room. As we all know, being the smartest guys in the room can get you in trouble. But I digress. What I do know though is that opinions should not masquerade and facts or worse, the "TRUTH."

And the worst part is, no one is answering the OP's question. Well, I did.

Good stuff again

[TheFugitive]

Did you read the first few posts?
Actually, the OP's question is being answered by multiple folks.



I can enjoy a good debate, and I won't pretend to know everything on the subject.
"Bro science wars", to use your words, I have no interest in.
Enough of those happenin' in here already.

Did you read everything I wrote, though?
I stated that if your Protein intake is up to level daily, BCAA use actually is pointless.
It could also be counter-productive to overuse BCAA, especially if it is done throughout the day.
I think there is sufficient scientific evidence to support this.

At around 180ish lbs, my daily Protein intake is often close to 200g.
Sometimes it goes above.
I like chicken and I like protein shakes

So here's the question:
If I take in 215g of Protein today from food and shakes, is there any point in also taking 2-3 servings of BCAA?

It is a simple question.
No "bro science" please, as per your request

Cheers.

Let me ask you a question, have you used BCAA's intra and or postworkout in the past?

[Misctake7]

Did you read the first few posts?
Actually, the OP's question is being answered by multiple folks.



I can enjoy a good debate, and I won't pretend to know everything on the subject.
"Bro science wars", to use your words, I have no interest in.
Enough of those happenin' in here already.

Did you read everything I wrote, though?
I stated that if your Protein intake is up to level daily, BCAA use actually is pointless.
It could also be counter-productive to overuse BCAA, especially if it is done throughout the day.
I think there is sufficient scientific evidence to support this.

At around 180ish lbs, my daily Protein intake is often close to 200g.
Sometimes it goes above.
I like chicken and I like protein shakes

So here's the question:
If I take in 215g of Protein today from food and shakes, is there any point in also taking 2-3 servings of BCAA?

It is a simple question.
No "bro science" please, as per your request

Cheers.

Oh boy....you just opened a nice door that will keep this thread moving for several more pages now....see below

Let me ask you a question, have you used BCAA's intra and or postworkout in the past?

[NoCarbsNoSugar]

Oh boy....you just opened a nice door that will keep this thread moving for several more pages now....see below

I did no such thing.
This door is being opened without an invitation.
Again and again.

[Gym God]

What is optimal? ... for a $1000.

[LoudyRowdy]

What is optimal? ... for a $1000.

about this much...

[Misctake7]

What is optimal? ... for a $1000.

Just give me the $1000. No questions.

[fbcpastormk]

I did not notice much difference

[OT2000]

What is optimal? ... for a $1000.

Enough