You're in Middle Management @ Deloitte & Grad of 1 year asks for 6 months to travel..

[WelshAutist]

What would you say?

Picture the following situation Misc:

- You're 35 years old
- Been with Deloitte for 12 years since you graduated @ 23
- You started managing your own team 5 years in and have 7 years experience
- You have a 3-bedroom house with 10 years left on mortgage, drive an Audi A5 and have a wife/child
- You have never travelled because you jumped from university to graduate job (60 hours) to management (80 hours)
- You make $140,000/year with an annual bonus of $40,000


A graduate in your team who went through the university experience from 18/19 to 22/23 doing a 3 year Bachelors and 1.5 year Masters in Economics now has 1 year experience in your team aged 24. One day he approaches you out of the blue in private and says he wants to travel the world. You knew that he spent his annual leave doing hikes around the state that you live in but he wants 6-9 months off to do Everest Base Camp, Machu Pichu, Kilimanjaro, Mount Blanc, Mount Fuji, Annapurna Circuit, 7K Volcano in Ecuador, sit at the edge of Grand Canyon, etc.

When you ask him why didn't he do it before starting the job, he replies that he wanted to get some experience on his CV. So when you follow up question why right now, he says he wants to do it before turning 26, and aged 25 when he's young, has energy, desire and before he commits to marriage/mortgage/it becomes too late in general. He says that he will be back after a maximum of 9 months and continue the job from where he left off. You pay him $50,000/year starting fresh out of college and he gets a $10,000+/year annual salary rise if he sticks to the job, just like you did.


Do you:


Option 1 - Replace him in a day for one of the 5000 other cogs waiting at the door who will literally do what you say, when you say it, how you want it, however many hours you want, and not ask for any time out? This is, after all, the corporate world and you are in charge for the day to day running of the division and need committed members and this will play on the back of his mind and he will grow to despise you and hate working for you.


Option 2 - Respect the honesty, respect the fact that he had the balls to approach you face to face, man to man, admire the fact that travelling and hiking is quite a big ambition in his life and allow him the time off, unpaid ofcourse, but restart him with the new graduate intakes and take him under your wing to train him up and nurture him into a future manager with the new found life experience.


Option 3 - Say no, and if he leaves anyway, speak to your contacts at all of the other Big 4 firms like PwC, KPMG, EY, and other corporate firms who he may apply to when he gets back to get him black-listed for walking out to do what in your eyes is a "free spirited hippy thing" despite having an opportunity that most graduates would give an arm and a leg for.



Which options would you choose Misc? And why?

[goodwallaby]

I would look him in the eyes and tell him tl;dr

[8PointBuck]

i'd shoot myself because working 12 years at deloitte sounds miserable

[CoolKnees]

Are you Gmiscer?

Depends how bad you need him on the team and if he's any good. If he wasn't that good anyway just chop him. If you really need him say no. If you're indifferent then just let him go.

[nothingshocking]

option 1

[FlexLex]

At what point in your day did you contemplate typing out an 8000 word made up hypothetical story about nothing

[butwhowasgains]

I would not ask the misc.

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[DesiredUserphag]

suck his dink

[CLASSIK1]

Dunno and thats why im not a manager at deloitte. If you can, Try to find a way to let him go. If you cannot, tell him if either his job or his trip.

[Darkness2Light]

what the fuk is a deloitte

anyway if i was up to my balls in mortgage debt and wife an kids and never travelled now some young punk is coming in to the the chit i never could...hyeah id be pissed off too OP lol JK im not a wagecel I do as I wish anyway

Number 2 mate. Any other option especially number 3 is a very douchebag thing to do. I would say bro u can go, do your thing ill give you my blessing but I cant guarantee u will have a spot here when you get back, however I will give you a good reference.

[anonymous]

[lumbarflexbrah]

You have no way of guaranteeing that he'll even come back after 9 months. He may find some HBB across the world and move there or find himself and decide he wants to do something else with his life.

[PowerOfTruth]

Option 3 without the black-list.

Life is full of options, but it's not up to you to oblige any option he picks.

[brownbrah113]

kill myself for being cucked by a CEO that nets at least 5 mil just with stock options every year and takes 7-11 months vacations

[WelshAutist]

Are you Gmiscer?

Depends how bad you need him on the team and if he's any good. If he wasn't that good anyway just chop him. If you really need him say no. If you're indifferent then just let him go.

He's a grad with 1 year experience. He's no better or no worse than any other grad with 1 year experience. You don't necessarily need him, but you need someone to do his role.

So it's either say no and keep him. Let him go and get someone in for a 9 month cover. Or chop him and get someone who will never ask for that much time off and do as many hours as you want with full commitment like a cog.

[nothingshocking]

Decide what he is worth to the company.

If he is easily replaceable would ask him to hand in his notice.

1 year experience in public accounting is a worthless cog, get a new one next year.

[tats27]

A or B, definitely not C.

[Fuqdatass]

What a riveting novel about absolute nothing

[inq]

Is this for Audit/Tax or for Mgt. Consulting? $140k salary is low for a consulting manager at Big 4. They start Senior Consultants Post-MBA at that salary.

[hardestgainer]

Option 1, Option 3 is a little harsh but I know other accountanting brahs who would do that.

I switched from accounting to finance because I simply hated it and loved the financial side but a lot of my friends were accounting majors who got jobs at the Big 4 or are starting this summer, I know how in demand and competitive those entry level positions are. He already went off and did his hiking before he came, and now he wants to leave for another 6-9 months? lol no. The only way Id say go with option 2 is if you see some serious potential in this guy with the work he has already done, and he has clearly outshined his peers on a consistent basis, and Im guessing that isnt the case because if it was that would be listed as option 1 instead of 2.

EDIT: apparently he is pretty mediocre, Id say just tell him no and that if he wants to stay he can but if he leaves he'll have to reapply with all the other new graduates to start over with no guarantees of a spot

[WelshAutist]

Is this for Audit/Tax or for Mgt. Consulting? $140k salary is low for a consulting manager at Big 4

Audit/tax. Consulting and M&A divisions get 200+, maybe even 250-300 with 10 years experience

[samsbolton]

I'd get off the misc

Every post of yours goes deeper into psychosis. It's fascinating to watch but won't end well for you.

[WelshAutist]

kill myself for being cucked by a CEO that nets at least 5 mil just with stock options every year and takes 7-11 months vacations

That's every corporation bro. But the way you have to view it is that you take home a total compensation of $180-200K which is probably 5 times the average working man?

Your life isn't as miserable or poorly paid as you think

[Twerk4it]

12 years, 60-80 hours a week at Deloitte? Lmao no thanks. That life sounds horrible, I'd only dedicate that kind of time to a single company if its my own.

[brownbrah113]

That's every corporation bro. But the way you have to view it is that you take home a total compensation of $180-200K which is probably 5 times the average working man?

Your life isn't as miserable or poorly paid as you think

80 hours of work bro.... that too with a family? fuq dat

rather sell my A5, downsize house, invest my savings into a ghetto restaurant and spend more time with wife and kids

[WelshAutist]

12 years, 60-80 hours a week at Deloitte? Lmao no thanks. That life sounds horrible, I'd only dedicate that kind of time to a single company if its my own.

How many people make 200K/year on their own?

Even those who do, how many of them take home close to that after tax, wages, utilities, fees, shipping/transportation, etc

Sure it's not a 30 hour week with 3 months off for summer like a teacher, but people 20 years your senior do 60 hour weeks at supermarket checkouts for 1/6th of what you make

[mazimi18]

is this a srs fukin question?

dude. hire me. i would give my left ****ing nut to be in his position...you fire that **** and hire someone who thinks doesn't think 26 is the magical age where you can't travel the world anymore if you dont before then

[WelshAutist]

80 hours of work bro.... that too with a family? fuq dat

rather sell my A5, downsize house, invest my savings into a ghetto restaurant and spend more time with wife and kids

As a manager, any kind, corporate, project, engineering, etc

You need to be the first in, and last out the door. If graduates are doing 8-6, you need to be doing 7-7

If you need to come in on weekends, you do what needs to be done.

Your child will go to the best private school, eat the most nutritious meals, have his own bedroom and be driven to school in a 2017 Audi A5

[mazimi18]

As a manager, any kind, corporate, project, engineering, etc

You need to be the first in, and last out the door. If graduates are doing 8-6, you need to be doing 7-7

If you need to come in on weekends, you do what needs to be done.

Your child will go to the best private school, eat the most nutritious meals, have his own bedroom and be driven to school in a 2017 Audi A5

man...thats such a slippery slope for kids (srs)

i live in a top 10 zip code in the US supposedly and all the ****ing rich kids i went to HS with whose parents gave them everything...except a parent have had serious ****in issues with H. not saying youre a bad parent, and im sure these parents werent either...it's just tough

[atjoblin]

This thread tells me you live in your moms basement.