Rogue lat pulldown machine discontinued?

[Bmad16]

The issue with that piece is its designed, marketed, and priced wrong, the perfect storm for horrible sales. Its a great lat pulldown i am sure, but has almost no apeal to a specific market. It's price is way too high for the garage gym market, even premium buyers arent usually looking to spend 3k for a lat pulldown. those who would are probably going to go with a more upscale offering in the price range, or spend a llittle less and get an equivalent from Legend. For commercial its totally designed wrong, no gym wants a row that requires you sit on the floor! The Legend or amy number of others actually have a bench seat fir the row, your not seeing this in many real gyms. The piece isnt all that special, its solid, but not spectacular. What they should have done is make it a "mobster lite" at $1900. Or so. They should have been able to make it pretty close, maybe a few less laser engraved pieces, standard 220# stack, with reasonable stack upgrade that doesnt require changing selector rods. It can be done, and would be a better seller by far. They go from spud $80 pulley to 3k and nothing between!

The design is what I love about that Lat Pulldown and was a major factor when I decided to go with a Monster rack, attaching it to a Monster rack and the low row function is space saving, PERFECT for a garage gym.

[urbanlifter]

I agree with HG, they need something in the middle aside from the 3k option. The design being on the side doesn't seem to save much space either, not like your typical ones mounted on residential racks. Then I couldn't agree more on the low row, who wants to pay that much to be sitting on the floor?

You could contract Edge to make a bad@ss dedicated pulldown with stack for almost half that price, $1600-ish from what I recall. Then a brand new Body Solid Commercial would only run you $1450 or less when on sale. Not to mention CL, there are a handful in my area that range from $550-$700, one is LEGENDARY....

[MGM711]

A little bit contradictory. If they were focused, they'd get it done.

I think I explained it perfectly...they lost their designer and are either looking for a new one with commercial background or they're looking to acquire another brand with a commercial background, either option won't happen right away.

[MGM711]

I agree with HG, they need something in the middle aside from the 3k option. The design being on the side doesn't seem to save much space either, not like your typical ones mounted on residential racks. Then I couldn't agree more on the low row, who wants to pay that much to be sitting on the floor?

You could contract Edge to make a bad@ss dedicated pulldown with stack for almost half that price, $1600-ish from what I recall. Then a brand new Body Solid Commercial would only run you $1450 or less when on sale. Not to mention CL, there are a handful in my area that range from $550-$700, one is LEGENDARY....

From what I understand, they won't design anything they don't think they can sell a fair amount of and do a production run of. I've heard this said several times about a few other projects that were pitched to Rogue. They don't want to design a product, produce a certain amount of units and just sell a small number and have the rest just sit in storage, so they're careful about what they want to release. That said, they seem to release some things I'm shocked that made it to design and production while they reject others that I'd think would be hits.

[jmb66]

The design is what I love about that Lat Pulldown and was a major factor when I decided to go with a Monster rack, attaching it to a Monster rack and the low row function is space saving, PERFECT for a garage gym.

Bmad16,
Can you please post review of your Monster pulldown? What do you like about it? What you don't like? Maybe some pictures?
There are almost no reviews/information on web on Rogue pulldown. Is there anything in the design that would require "redesign"?
Thanks.

[Cleveland33]

From what I understand, they won't design anything they don't think they can sell a fair amount of and do a production run of. I've heard this said several times about a few other projects that were pitched to Rogue. They don't want to design a product, produce a certain amount of units and just sell a small number and have the rest just sit in storage, so they're careful about what they want to release. That said, they seem to release some things I'm shocked that made it to design and production while they reject others that I'd think would be hits.

so in other words, they know how to run a business well

and this goes right along with why I don't think they'll make the lower bench to accommodate the Fat Pad as a standard - I just don't think the market is there.

[MGM711]

so in other words, they know how to run a business well

and this goes right along with why I don't think they'll make the lower bench to accommodate the Fat Pad as a standard - I just don't think the market is there.

Probably correct...you're talking about a niche group who would even be able to identify the difference between bench heights. That said, I could see them selling it as an option with an upcharge but it also wouldn't shock me to see them not offer it at all.

[Steelfan7]

I see that Legend has two models 3136 for 1300 and 3228 for 3k. 3228 seems to be quite similar to Rogue. To row user needs to sit on the floor as well.
I'm not defending Rogue - I think their stuff is overpriced. However Legend 3228 is very similar in price and functionality to Rogue.

Legend 971 Lat/Low row you don't have to sit on ground to do low rows. You can get it for about $2,400 plus shipping.
http://legendfitness.com/product/pro...low-row-combo/

[qaz123]

From what I understand, they won't design anything they don't think they can sell a fair amount of and do a production run of. I've heard this said several times about a few other projects that were pitched to Rogue. They don't want to design a product, produce a certain amount of units and just sell a small number and have the rest just sit in storage, so they're careful about what they want to release. That said, they seem to release some things I'm shocked that made it to design and production while they reject others that I'd think would be hits.

seems pretty incredible a modern company can't make items to order for a good price instead of thinking they need to do a huge production run to be productive.

Haven't they heard of lean manufacturing? Holding inventory is a huge waste of resources.

[Steelfan7]

seems pretty incredible a modern company can't make items to order for a good price instead of thinking they need to do a huge production run to be productive.

Haven't they heard of lean manufacturing? Holding inventory is a huge waste of resources.

Part of Rogue's business model and appeal is quick order to front door sales.

[MGM711]

seems pretty incredible a modern company can't make items to order for a good price instead of thinking they need to do a huge production run to be productive.

Haven't they heard of lean manufacturing? Holding inventory is a huge waste of resources.

They do it this way so when someone orders an item, it's there, ready to go, and my guess this helps people decide to buy or make a more impulsive buy. When the item isnt ready to go, you're more likely to question the purchase, so building to order may cost you more in sales potentially the storing inventory. I see both sides, but this model has clearly worked for Rogue, hard to argue with that.

[qaz123]

They do it this way so when someone orders an item, it's there, ready to go, and my guess this helps people decide to buy or make a more impulsive buy. When the item isnt ready to go, you're more likely to question the purchase, so building to order may cost you more in sales potentially the storing inventory. I see both sides, but this model has clearly worked for Rogue, hard to argue with that.

a good example of a USA company that fills orders same day and also does lean just in time manufacturing is Fastcap. They hold inventory to fill daily orders but not more than a few days worth. The orders coming in trigger the manufacture of more of the same items and this company has over 1000 products. The only way they can do this is to be incredibly efficient and be able to shift from making one product to another really fast. Rogue might of only been selling 10 lat pulldowns a week for example compared to hundreds of power racks but a truly efficient company, in this case a steel fabrication company essentially, can throw a smaller batch of a product into the mix easily.

[Bmad16]

Bmad16,
Can you please post review of your Monster pulldown? What do you like about it? What you don't like? Maybe some pictures?
There are almost no reviews/information on web on Rogue pulldown. Is there anything in the design that would require "redesign"?
Thanks.

Perhaps I could have worded that better. I'm just setting up my garage gym now, I ordered the RM-6 over 5 weeks ago and is just shipping now (apparently). A deciding factor for me was the ability to attach their lat pull down/low row (instead of going Monster Lite). I've been waiting for the lat pulldown to come back in stock so I can order it (I signed up for email notification) and I've been planning to make another greater than 5k order (for free shipping) with the lat pulldown... but as good as the lat pulldown looks, I'm questioning if I'm even going to order for Rogue again, it's been over 5 weeeks and reportedly the equipment I ordered is now shipping, however checking my order online if still only says "processed" and one of the items I ordered and paid for weeks ago (curl bar) I'm being told will now ship separately because it is out of stock. The way I see it, Rogue sold MY curl bar to another customer, the entire experience is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

[jmb66]

Perhaps I could have worded that better. I'm just setting up my garage gym now, I ordered the RM-6 over 5 weeks ago and is just shipping now (apparently). A deciding factor for me was the ability to attach their lat pull down/low row (instead of going Monster Lite). I've been waiting for the lat pulldown to come back in stock so I can order it (I signed up for email notification) and I've been planning to make another greater than 5k order (for free shipping) with the lat pulldown... but as good as the lat pulldown looks, I'm questioning if I'm even going to order for Rogue again, it's been over 5 weeeks and reportedly the equipment I ordered is now shipping, however checking my order online if still only says "processed" and one of the items I ordered and paid for weeks ago (curl bar) I'm being told will now ship separately because it is out of stock. The way I see it, Rogue sold MY curl bar to another customer, the entire experience is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm considering the same setup: RM-6 with attached lat pulldown. I've heard about "legendary" Rogue customer service, but this is not my experience so far either.
I'm also considering order over 5k, so I asked them for custom quote (one of customer reps suggested this may save me some money). The quote that they gave me was higher than the price on their website! I said that I expected some discount, not price increase, but they don't really care.
Also, they told me the pulldown attachment would NOT qualify for "5k free shipping" deal. They told me that everything "made to order" has shipping charge independently from price of the order. I say that the website lists only the standalone pulldown as "made to order", but not the rack attached pulldown. They said: "it's a mistake and we will change it". Now, taking into account 5 weeks order processing I guess they have too many orders and just don't work hard to keep customers satisfied.

[Yodums]

Perhaps I could have worded that better. I'm just setting up my garage gym now, I ordered the RM-6 over 5 weeks ago and is just shipping now (apparently). A deciding factor for me was the ability to attach their lat pull down/low row (instead of going Monster Lite). I've been waiting for the lat pulldown to come back in stock so I can order it (I signed up for email notification) and I've been planning to make another greater than 5k order (for free shipping) with the lat pulldown... but as good as the lat pulldown looks, I'm questioning if I'm even going to order for Rogue again, it's been over 5 weeeks and reportedly the equipment I ordered is now shipping, however checking my order online if still only says "processed" and one of the items I ordered and paid for weeks ago (curl bar) I'm being told will now ship separately because it is out of stock. The way I see it, Rogue sold MY curl bar to another customer, the entire experience is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Out of curiousity, is it just the customization of the rack that's creating a delay? I placed an order for a RML-390F last weekend with custom uprights. A lot of online reviews say that even though they say 2-3 weeks delay for a custom order, they generally turn it around earlier, but your post is scaring me. It's only been a week, but I was hoping they ship it out faster than 2-3 weeks.

I will say that I've had nothing but superb customer service from them, though. They reached out to me about my custom uprights the very next business day (I placed my order on the weekend) and clarified if my desired upright lengths took into consideration a 2" base.

I ordered an Ohio Power Bar from them a few weeks ago, and got an e-mail saying it was backordered with a 10-14 business day delay, but it ended up shipping the very next day.

[rpark]

I've only had two items purchased from Rogue that were listed as not in stock, monster matador and tricep pushdown.... both were available for pick within one day of my original order pickup (and each time the CS rep emailed and asked if I wanted to wait for the item to be in stock or pickup the stocked items first). I can only guess that these custom orders are delayed by paint or some other oddball change. Racks are made with interchangeable uprights between most models, so if you're getting their customary flat black, I'd imagine all those are always in stock. I doubt they stock any custom colors because they are so randomly ordered and hard to decide which colors to stock and not. Ordering any of the gym equipment (formerly nebula designs), I would expect are mostly custom manufactured because there's no sense in stocking 100 nebula leg presses because they don't fly off the shelf like racks and such. Lat pull down is probably the same thing. They aren't really approaching that commercial type equipment any different than Legend, sorinex or any other commercial equip maker. Call legend, and their standard lead time response is 8-12 weeks.

[Bmad16]

Out of curiousity, is it just the customization of the rack that's creating a delay? I placed an order for a RML-390F last weekend with custom uprights. A lot of online reviews say that even though they say 2-3 weeks delay for a custom order, they generally turn it around earlier, but your post is scaring me. It's only been a week, but I was hoping they ship it out faster than 2-3 weeks.

I will say that I've had nothing but superb customer service from them, though. They reached out to me about my custom uprights the very next business day (I placed my order on the weekend) and clarified if my desired upright lengths took into consideration a 2" base.

I ordered an Ohio Power Bar from them a few weeks ago, and got an e-mail saying it was backordered with a 10-14 business day delay, but it ended up shipping the very next day.

I ordered a standard size RM-6 in bright blue. I can't imagine why a paint job would take so long. I had read previous accounts of people ordering green, red etc and having it in a week or so. Maybe I just have really bad luck, my experience with Rofue seems to be incongruent with most but it still doesn't feel any better.

[qaz123]

I ordered a standard size RM-6 in bright blue. I can't imagine why a paint job would take so long. I had read previous accounts of people ordering green, red etc and having it in a week or so. Maybe I just have really bad luck, my experience with Rofue seems to be incongruent with most but it still doesn't feel any better.

they probably waited until they had a large amount of stuff to do in blue before they ran it through.

[Mech6]

they probably waited until they had a large amount of stuff to do in blue before they ran it through.

This. Exactly.

[lachiodo]

Just a guess, but their lead designer quit and took a job with Arsenal which is a division of Dynamic Fitness. Designers like that don't just grow on trees, so I'm assuming they're searching for another designer who will redesign at some point.

Interesting, they told me about a month ago that it was undergoing a redesign and it would "take a couple of month". I was ready to buy one.

Can anyone recommend an alternative unit for a basement gym? Has to ship ready for assembly.

[thejosef]

they probably waited until they had a large amount of stuff to do in blue before they ran it through.

Yep. I doubt it's one of their most popular colors (I like it though, great choice). Their shipping estimate was just that, an "estimate." I'm sure they have a minimum # of pieces they want to powder coat. Bmad16, just try to relax. It should get to you in great condition and you'll use this rack for many years. It'll be worth the wait. I'm very pleased my red RM-3.

[Cleveland33]

with everyone complaining about these long lead times at rogue now what do you see as the causes for these problems? Do they actually have lines set up to make each product family or is it more a craftsman type production method?

I've heard one complaint over Rogue lead times and it was the custom color in this thread.

Other than that, it is longer response times from CS - but that was also right around the timing of the XFit games

[ThreeFinger]

I know this thread is a bit dated but im not finding much on the rogue lat pulldown machine. I ordered one about a week ago of course its made when ordered so it won't come for quite some time. How do you like the ones you've received and how long did they take? I had to call them to find out that the order i placed wouldn't ship until the lat pulldown machine was made (so i took it off and ordered it separately from the rest of my bigger order.) Anyone have any thoughts on not just that but the rest of the stuff Rogue makes as well? Thanks!

[BYOBB]

I know this thread is a bit dated but im not finding much on the rogue lat pulldown machine. I ordered one about a week ago of course its made when ordered so it won't come for quite some time. How do you like the ones you've received and how long did they take? I had to call them to find out that the order i placed wouldn't ship until the lat pulldown machine was made (so i took it off and ordered it separately from the rest of my bigger order.) Anyone have any thoughts on not just that but the rest of the stuff Rogue makes as well? Thanks!

Rogue's best products, in my opinion, are their barbells. Be sure to check out the Rogue thread here and post your pulldown when you get it:

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=166984521

[martyanderson]

Yeah no you couldn't edge stuff isn't on the same level as higher end rogue. Sorry to burst your bubble