Question regarding ICF 5x5 vs Fierce 5 novice

[HockeyLax1212]

Hi everyone,

I just have a quick question about running the ICF 5x5 program vs doing the Fierce 5 novice routine.

I understand that lifting isn't a sprint and it takes time to progress and see results, but if my goal is to progress as fast as possible, would it be smarter to run the ICF 5x5 program instead of the Fierce 5 novice routine? Based on all the reading I have done about each program, the ICF 5x5 program is a workout by workout increase in weight, where as the Fierce 5 novice routine is a week by week progression; therefore, it would be more beneficial for me to run the ICF 5x5 if my goal is to progress faster. Am I understanding this correctly? This may be a stupid question, but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks again for taking the time to read!

[Jasonk282]

If your goal is to progress fast...starting strength...

3x5, add in pull ups each day to balance out push pull ratio, add weight each session, and nothing else.

[HockeyLax1212]

If your goal is to progress fast...starting strength...

3x5, add in pull ups each day to balance out push pull ratio, add weight each session, and nothing else.

What is the benefit of doing only 3x5 vs 5x5?

Last workout, I squatted 255 for 5x5, so if I were to to switch to starting strength, should I be able to do even more weight because it is 2 less sets?

[TheViking1992]

No, not really... ICF 5 has way too much volume for it's aggressive progression scheme. Another thing that shows the creator is a world class retard...

You'll spend most of your time stalling, deloading and resetting...

[Squid24]

No, not really... ICF 5 has way too much volume for it's aggressive progression scheme. Another thing that shows the creator is a world class retard...

You'll spend most of your time stalling, deloading and resetting...

That is probably the nicest thing I've heard said about JB...lmao

[Jasonk282]

What is the benefit of doing only 3x5 vs 5x5?

Last workout, I squatted 255 for 5x5, so if I were to to switch to starting strength, should I be able to do even more weight because it is 2 less sets?

Yes

[TheViking1992]

That is probably the nicest thing I've heard said about JB...lmao

What can I say? I was in good mood... just been on the recieving end of a 20 minute blowjob from world class hottie...

[EjnarKolinkar]

See post #2 or run Fierce 5

[HockeyLax1212]

No, not really... ICF 5 has way too much volume for it's aggressive progression scheme. Another thing that shows the creator is a world class retard...

You'll spend most of your time stalling, deloading and resetting...

That is probably the nicest thing I've heard said about JB...lmao

Yes

So are you all suggesting that I run something other than ICF 5x5, whether it is starting strength or fierce 5?

[Jasonk282]

So are you all suggesting that I run something other than ICF 5x5, whether it is starting strength or fierce 5?

Definitly .

Fierce 5 if you want a more bodybuilding style of program.

Starting strength if you just want strength

[Cranz]

I don't recommend you run ICF 5x5. This routine has too much volume for no reason. If you want that kind of volume run a x2 per week split. ( I ran this back in 2013 so this is from experience).

Fierce 5 is way better.

[Squid24]

I don't recommend you run ICF 5x5. This routine has too much volume for no reason. If you want that kind of volume run a x2 per week split. ( I ran this back in 2013 so this is from experience).

Fierce 5 is way better.

Can't get a better recommendation than this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Jasonk282]

I don't recommend you run ICF 5x5. This routine has too much volume for no reason. If you want that kind of volume run a x2 per week split. ( I ran this back in 2013 so this is from experience).

Fierce 5 is way better.

This.

He'll you'd be better off doing stronglifts and adding chin ups at the end of each session instead of doing ICF

[EjnarKolinkar]

So are you all suggesting that I run something other than ICF 5x5, whether it is starting strength or fierce 5?

Fast progression models generally do not have higher work volumes. Same goes for programs which focus primarily on acquiring basic strength and skill at key lifts quickly. You said in the OP that you wanted to move forward with strength sensibly but quickly.

It's not like this is anything new, or that trainees have not run higher volume 3 day full body programs for many decades. They do not generally make the fastest progress in terms of increasing load on the bar that way though.

[HockeyLax1212]

This.

He'll you'd be better off doing stronglifts and adding chin ups at the end of each session instead of doing ICF

Ok so I think I am going to switch from ICF 5x5 to Fierce 5 novice.

How many sets/reps of chin ups should I add to each session?

Also, is it acceptable to just back squat 3x5 each workout instead of doing front squats on workout b? And can I do a regular conventional/sumo deadlift instead of Romanian deadlifts?

[Jasonk282]

Ok so I think I am going to switch from ICF 5x5 to Fierce 5 novice.

How many sets/reps of chin ups should I add to each session?

Also, is it acceptable to just back squat 3x5 each workout instead of doing front squats on workout b? And can I do a regular conventional/sumo deadlift instead of Romanian deadlifts?

Tbh, I wouldn't change anything in regards to fierce 5. Davis knows what he is doing.

If you're gonna do stronglifts then do the chins as well

[Squid24]

Also, is it acceptable to just back squat 3x5 each workout instead of doing front squats on workout b? And can I do a regular conventional/sumo deadlift instead of Romanian deadlifts?

Everything is laid out for you. So instead of Front Squats, do the deadlifts with leg curls...just like it says to do.

That was easy