Game of Thrones - HBO Season VII Thread - No Spoilers!

[Griggz]

Why is the NK's pendant photoshopped on Bran?

As bait. This theory is everywhere right now, though.

[JawMirer]

Biggest plot hole of the episode - why didn't the suicide squad have horses - they would both travel faster and it would help with battle and carrying. And it's not like horses wouldn't survive - uncle Ben had one.

[ohiostate124]

Biggest plot hole of the episode - why didn't the suicide squad have horses - they would both travel faster and it would help with battle and carrying. And it's not like horses wouldn't survive - uncle Ben had one.

Uncle Ben had a zombie horse. No way that thing was still alive after 7 seasons.

[mikenorwood961]

Because it was used to 1 shot a Dragon...

Could they not do the same thing with one of their swords?

[FryDude]

Do you guys think john and danny hook up in the finale and have a baby next season?

[Lord_Lemon]

Biggest plot hole of the episode - why didn't the suicide squad have horses - they would both travel faster and it would help with battle and carrying. And it's not like horses wouldn't survive - uncle Ben had one.

The plan was to be stealthy but that all went to **** once the wight screamed for help.

[ohiostate124]

Do you guys think john and danny hook up in the finale and have a baby next season?

Theres wayyyyyyy to much foreshadowing for her not to get knocked up at some point imo.

[JawMirer]

Do you guys think john and danny hook up in the finale and have a baby next season?

Dany cannot have babies anymore.

[mikenorwood961]

Why do you think the NK has been just hanging out near Eastwatch up to this point?

Eastwatch vs other castles/towers? Eastwatch is the closest to the ocean. He could have been near Castle Black but he would have had to wait another 2 weeks for his dragon.

[mikenorwood961]

lol what army did Walder Frey command? Dude had to be bailed out by everyone else all the time.

Did you even pay attention to events leading up to the Red Wedding?

The whole reason Robb Stark went back to see Walder, was because Robb wanted his armies. Robb had killed two of his bannermen causing their armies to desert the cause. Edmund Frey agreed to marry one of Walder's daughters (Turned out to be Roslin, a hottie) so Walder's armies would support Robb.

Lol at poverty comprehension, thinking Walder had no army.

[Chairman7w]

I always wonder why Danaerys has brown/dark eyebrows while she has blonde hair.

That's pretty normal. Just type in "Blonde Lady" into Google and look at the images. You'll see 90% of them have dark eyebrows.

[Lord_Lemon]

Could they not do the same thing with one of their swords?

You mean throwing their sword like a javalein? No..

[ohiostate124]

Did you even pay attention to events leading up to the Red Wedding?

The whole reason Robb Stark went back to see Walder, was because Robb wanted his armies. Robb had killed two of his bannermen causing their armies to desert the cause. Edmund Frey agreed to marry one of Walder's daughters (Turned out to be Roslin, a hottie) so Walder's armies would support Robb.

Lol at poverty comprehension, thinking Walder had no army.

Pretty sure #1 was to get Walder Frey to let them through the crossing.

[Lord_Lemon]

Eastwatch vs other castles/towers? Eastwatch is the closest to the ocean. He could have been near Castle Black but he would have had to wait another 2 weeks for his dragon.

It was a rhetorical question. I'm saying he's there because he's waiting for a dragon. What do you mean if he was at Castle Black he'd have to wait 2 more weeks?

[AgRyan]

Pretty sure #1 was to get Walder Frey to let them through the crossing.

He agreed to marry Frey's daughter in order to cross.

He returned for the red wedding to marry the two families so that he could get Frey's army and have more soldiers after losing a ton of his army because he's an idiot.

[Chairman7w]

Did you even pay attention to events leading up to the Red Wedding?

The whole reason Robb Stark went back to see Walder, was because Robb wanted his armies. Robb had killed two of his bannermen causing their armies to desert the cause. Edmund Frey agreed to marry one of Walder's daughters (Turned out to be Roslin, a hottie) so Walder's armies would support Robb.

Lol at poverty comprehension, thinking Walder had no army.

It was a lot more than just the army - it was the permission to use the Twins to cross the Green Fork River. There's no where else nearby for an Army to cross - it's an extremely strategic location.

Dany cannot have babies anymore.

Are we sure? There's been alot of mention of that lately on the show so I think she might indeed be having Jon's baby.

[iamgenus]

because it seems the guy can't get past the wall, so i get him wanting a dragon, but i can't think that what we saw in the last episode was his genius plan to get one, just took an opportunity when it presented itself, which bring all the questions like "why he didn't do this or that"

I think it's safe to assume one way or another he knew about the dragons. Those lances were there for one purpose...to bring down the dragons. It's the reason why he wasn't throwing him at Jon and the boys.

As for seeing the future I'm not sure that's how green sight works. You see glimpses and certain events like Jojen seeing his death but not necessarily knowing everything else about that moment. So if the NK has those abilities he could've seen the dragons...i think you make that trade if you're him....a bunch of wights even if there are thousands of them in exchange for a dragon or two.

[iamgenus]

Did you even pay attention to events leading up to the Red Wedding?

The whole reason Robb Stark went back to see Walder, was because Robb wanted his armies. Robb had killed two of his bannermen causing their armies to desert the cause. Edmund Frey agreed to marry one of Walder's daughters (Turned out to be Roslin, a hottie) so Walder's armies would support Robb.

Lol at poverty comprehension, thinking Walder had no army.

Did you pay attention?

Nobody feared the Freys, it was totally a geographical and strategy related move to side with the Freys. You think Robb and his armies really needed Frey's?

I wasn't saying he had no army...just not one that anyone feared or relied upon. Considering Jamie straight up called Walder out on that last season you'd think that would be fresh in that potato brain of yours but guess not.

Next time maybe think before you start loling and making yourself look stupid in the process.

[mikenorwood961]

lol what army did Walder Frey command? Dude had to be bailed out by everyone else all the time.

I wasn't saying he had no army...just not one that anyone feared or relied upon.

You think Robb and his armies really needed Frey's?

Strong backpedal, especially considering that Walder was bailing everyone else out all the time.

You asked "what army did Walder Frey command" and I pointed out that he had an army strong enough that Robb Stark thought Walder's army was the difference between winning and losing.

Not only did Robb think he needed Walder's armies, Blackfish also thought Walder's armies were needed. Blackfish understood war. He insisted Edmund marry one of Walder's daughters to get Walder's armies.

You think Robb and his armies really needed Frey's?

Absolutely. It's GoT 101.

[iamgenus]

Strong backpedal, especially considering that Walder was bailing everyone else out all the time.

You asked "what army did Walder Frey command" and I pointed out that he had an army strong enough that Robb Stark thought Walder's army was the difference between winning and losing.

Not only did Robb think he needed Walder's armies, Blackfish also thought Walder's armies were needed. Blackfish understood war. He insisted Edmund marry one of Walder's daughters to get Walder's armies.


Absolutely. It's GoT 101.

Dude nobody feared the Freys. They were a joke. Showing up late to battles after they've already been won, constantly bailed out by their allies. The main draw with joining the Freys was their location.

Jamie specifically said "if we have to keep coming up here any time you need help...why the fuk do we need you"

Frey army was nothing but bodies. Ranking the different houses in terms of military ability the Freys are down the fuking bottom. Saying "what army did Walder Frey command" isn't backpedaling lol. I'm not retarded, he was a house lord with valuable lands I'm aware he had an army. It just wasn't one that screams "must have" when discussing why Arya didn't use his face to command an army.

[FryDude]

Dany cannot have babies anymore.

It's come up so many times I wouldn't be shocked if it was one of S8's surprises.

[shoelaces]

Last episode of the season. This season went by so fast. Wonder how this is going to wrap up next year. Because 7 episodes is not enough to wrap up all the loose ends.

[nkiritsis13]

The Night King targeting Viserion made enough sense when he and Rhaegal were the ones occupied with decimating his undead army. White Walkers can raise the dead, but they can't raise ash, and Drogon was not in as threatening of a position because he wasn't breathing fire down upon the undead army, while also having to be extra careful around the fragile little humans trying to get on his back. With Jon acting like a dumbass trying to one-man the entirety of the undead as Dany and company waited for him, the Night King took a calculated shot at the support dragons doing actual damage over the stationary one.

Also, neither of the other two were allowed as much time as Drogon to (1) hunt freely after being locked up in Meereen and (2) experience in combat situations, making them far more skittish and likely to flee, as we saw when Rhaegal fled after the Night King took out Viserion.

Now, once Viserion was down and Rhaegal was out of the picture, I do agree that they should have taken a fiver and thought about the lengthy grace period the Night King seemingly granted everyone before finally trying to take a shot at Drogon. If I had to guess, the Night King probably did not think that Dany et al would actually go through with leaving Jon basically for dead and was merely taking his sweet time out of arrogance.

Whatever the real reason, they could have probably fixed some of these hiccups by reworking the sequence of events.

after the 4th viewing of episode 6 i have to conclude its the worst episode of the entire series. Mainly because of how important this episode should have been and how miserably it was pulled off.

i keep hearing people, including IRL, go on about how awesome the episode was and i cant help but cringe. If all you care about is dragon cgi and ice zombies melting then i guess you should be pleased, but if you care even in the slightest about quality storytelling this episode was embarassing to GRRMs name.

id hate to get on D&D too much because they have nailed many huge moments time and time again but someone really chit the bed with this one. im rewatching the entire series as we speak and i would be hard pressed to find an episode even remotely as bad as this one.

Not that I necessarily agree with it being the worst - I'd have to a complete rewatch just because the show's that good - but in your defense, given the stakes at hand, they really fumbled the narrative presentation when there is a balancing act for storytelling, and they walked that tightrope after one too many beers.

Beyond the Wall was by no means not entertaining, but it very much leans into the spectacle side of things over the focus on drama and tension. Specifically, the framing of events was compressed into such a short sequencing of events that it was like getting hit in the face with a few too many plot contrivances and fake deaths within both an unreasonable time frame and, really, within a single episode to still try to act like all of it is a genuine surprise.

Taken the fake-outs on their own, it's become somewhat par the course, but pushes it over the edge is how unlike previous episodes where Euron went from A to B to C in blinks or entire armies seemingly teleported, those events could be taken as asynchronous with ample time allowed between that was skipped for the sake of pacing the overarching narrative. However, Beyond the Wall was distinctly not asynchronous, relying upon a strictly linear series of events that had to transpire in order, and all of which happened in a few cuts of the same half of the episode.

Interspersing some of the events and equipping the Wightnappers with more supplies than ale so as to sustain them for a full-on battle once the ice froze would have helped tremendously, and allowed the tension to build a little longer so it wouldn't be as painfully obvious that Dany was going to save their asses. Also, something to get Dany already heading North would have also tightened the feasible time frame to send and receive aid even further.

One of the big questions early on was why Daenerys didn't just fly on over past the Wall to see whether or not Jon was losing his mind regarding the Army of the Dead, so for her to suddenly make such a casual trip is a bit of a head-slapper in hindsight after all the "guest or prisoner" drama. Beyond the Wall's introduction of the White Walker threat to Dany was good, though, and really shot the stakes up to insanely high levels, hence why doing anything to not make the entire situation appear as though she could have jetted over for a quick peek and have it all be done would have helped.

Overall the production quality was impeccable across the board, but the episode had some very fixable problems that aren't so easily given a pass of when you're talking about the caliber of GOT. The popularity followed after the show differentiated itself from the deluge of fantastical shows and movies that are complacent in their vapidity and strict adherence to the proven narrative formulas. It really sucks that the new scope and speed for the final season is pretty much a fait accompli, and the best we can hope for is that the showrunners, writers, and directors take heed of the very public criticisms being drawn so as to take the necessary efforts to avoid such flaws in the future. After all, that is the entire point of constructive criticism, and it's not like most people are straight hating on GOT for chits and grins, but a genuine passion or love for the show they've thus far made.

I thought the same thing after the Eastwatch episode. I think Arya showing Sansa those faces and telling her about her faceless man training and telling her she can basically be anyone as long as she has their face...then giving Sansa the dagger was not a threat to Sansa but Arya's way of saying that she can get rid of Littlefinger and not worry about losing the support of the Vale or other LF made alliances because Arya can act as him.

At least that's what I hope they were trying to show...cuz if it's just Arya losing her fuking mind then it's the second time they fuked up her character.

Good point, and I hope you're right - especially regarding the symbolic gesture of handing Sansa the dagger. Up until that moment, Arya really seemed to have gone from unhinged to off the door frame, which would be a bit odd since the scene with her eating with the Lannister camp somewhat showed that she is not a completely mindless killer.

Should have had Bran just warg into someone at Dragonstone and told her. But then again I guess that would open up a chitload of, "why doesnt bran just do XYZ"

so nevermind stupid idea ill stfu now

I've heard similar ideas, so I don't think it's necessarily a bad one. If anything, I think that they wouldn't have to get Bran too involved - even showing his inability to act for whatever reason, such as the Night King interfering, would have roped him back into the main narrative again. Maybe that would even give us another tease as to the Night King's mysterious abilities and Bran's limitations that he has to learn to overcome, or show that he has made some progress since the Night King last interrupted his ravens. It would be a nice way of at least demonstrating that Bran, while technically the Three Eyed Raven, still has to learn how to control his powers, that he is improving, but most of all, that he can't play the same game as the Night King and must circumvent him.

Unless Bran's role is far more neutral and detached for some future twist, but otherwise, I think the warging could have worked fine. The lack of his involvement probably encourages the questions as to why he doesn't do XYZ since all we as viewers know is that he can Warg and see all things, but otherwise we have no real idea as to how that will be truly useful other than him spouting nebulous, often creepy lines off the cuff.

[TimeTravelerBro]

Having Bronn save Jaime last second before Danys dragon blasts him was a bad move.

And then miracously have Bronn bring him out of the water when Danys army left just in time.

That made no sense. Not one Sully army saw them? Really?

GRRM would have killed off Jaime right there.

[TradeKing]

Tyrion has been giving absolutely chitty advice this whole season, horrible war strategy, and even in the latest episode tried to get Dany not to go save the crew with her dragons.

[nvrstopworking]

Jeez.... this show really inspires some serious wall of text posting.

Ya'll need to slow down with the essays in here.

[mikenorwood961]

It's a valuable face, she could probably get one on one with Cercei with it, could control the knights of the Vale.

Arya had Walder Frey's face and she didn't use it to control armies. Arya seems to play a short game. Get someone's face, kill whoever is right in front of her, move on. If she commanded an army she'd probably say "go to King's landing and kill the Queen" and then move on to the next task, army forgotten. I don't think she'd take Littlefinger's face and travel to the Vale just to do that.

Dude nobody feared the Freys. They were a joke. Showing up late to battles after they've already been won, constantly bailed out by their allies. The main draw with joining the Freys was their location.

Jamie specifically said "if we have to keep coming up here any time you need help...why the fuk do we need you"

Frey army was nothing but bodies. Ranking the different houses in terms of military ability the Freys are down the fuking bottom. Saying "what army did Walder Frey command" isn't backpedaling lol. I'm not retarded, he was a house lord with valuable lands I'm aware he had an army. It just wasn't one that screams "must have" when discussing why Arya didn't use his face to command an army.

Iamgenus: So, you're saying that Arya is the type of person who would use Littlefinger's face to control the Knights of the Vail, even though she didn't try to control the Frey army with Walder's face. The reason why she didn't try to control the Frey army is because it wasn't strong enough, the the knights of the Vail are strong enough for her to bother controlling.

[frozennorth]

Maybe someone's brought it up but are people still on the "there's a spy in Dany's camp" theory? I think it's a strong possibility and the big meet from the finale preview would be a crazy time to reveal it

[myzlplix]

Can anyone tell me the name of the YouTube channel where Game of Thrones theories are discussed in depth?

I know it has been mentioned in this thread, but I can't seem to find it.

Alt Shift X and New Rockstars. I like New Rockstars better but I watch them both

[Maxamanius]

This series is like fapping to an amazing porno, a long slow nice fap but once season 7 comes you know you're about to bust but then the porno buffers and you rush a crappy orgasm.