Common Ground Between Muslims and Trump Supporters

[TranceNRG]

The Media.

For almost 2 decades (if not more), Muslims have been pointing out to media lies and deception against them.
Nowadays, as Trump has openly exclaimed, he's in a "war" with the media. His supporters regularly point to media lies and deception against Trump.
I assume that Trump supporters do not trust the media and abhor how the media portrays Trump.

So, there seems to be a shared struggle.

1) Can Trump supporters, now, sympathize with Muslims on this front and work together to clean up the media swamp?
2) Also, what if, it's the same media that is causing tension between the two groups in order to pursue their own agenda?
3) Can/will the two groups actively look for common grounds to combat false divisive narratives?
4) Lastly, now, knowing how deceptive and dishonest the media can be, will Trump supporters be more careful in making judgments based on the media portrayal of "The Other" and events?

[jlick]

From one persian to another, I think Islam needs to worry about reforming itself before trying to team up with Trump to battle the media since Trump is already doing a great job of taking on the media all on his own, while Islam seems far away from any sort of reform. Just my humble opinion.

[brighamw]

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[Austanian]

So the same people "talk chit" about both of them.

LMAO REAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHHH

[Chowboy]

It's a nice gesture OP, but I believe that the MSM fails in its' coverage of Islam by NOT exposing its' true nature.


But I'm probably biased. Maybe you could change my mind...

[anonymous]

Maybe if Trump was anything even close to the cartoon hitler that his detractors desperately need to beleive he is then he could team up with the muzzies to install a repressive, Patriarchal state where women are second class citizens and gays have to fear for their lives

But since in reality he's more like an elderly 80s style democrat there's really no common ground.

The regressive left will keep fetishizing your team even on the way down from the roof they're thrown off - you don't need to worry about your stanch allies.

[TranceNRG]

Have you noticed that the media is striving to stir up hate against Trump? Why can't it be possible that while your guards were down, while you were unaware of media lies and deceptions, of their tactics, the media used the same tactics to get you to hate Muslims.

So, you hate Muslims now, for the same reason and in the same way that in the near future, if media persists as it does now, people will hate Trump.

[dabbmw2002]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend? We already tried that with the Taliban, how did that end?

[samsparks23]

I am happy that the Muslims are in bed with the left to be honest. It will be funny watching leftist ideology corrupt their children. Can't wait for some more arab porn stars.

I have already heard American muslims complaining that their community is sucking up to gays and feminism and the contradictions... the contradictions between Islam and "leftist values" are just magnificent. Its like a dog trying to have sex with a cat.

[ZenBowman]

A lot of the people who slammed the media for attacking Muslims are the same ones who are now cheering it on when they attack Trump.

Oh, and groups like CAIR are actually quite happy to cheer on the media even when it is attacking other Muslims, like Iran, who they hate. Look at the outrage they spew at anyone who seeks to propose a noninterventionist strategy on Syria, for example.

Example: https://twitter.com/HussamA

So your scenario of a joint offensive against the media has zero chance of success.

Everyone wants the media to demonize the groups they hate, including groups like CAIR (who pretend to be very tolerant).

[Boxman]

The Media.

For almost 2 decades (if not more), Muslims have been pointing out to media lies and deception against them.
Nowadays, as Trump has openly exclaimed, he's in a "war" with the media. His supporters regularly point to media lies and deception against Trump.
I assume that Trump supporters do not trust the media and abhor how the media portrays Trump.

So, there seems to be a shared struggle.

1) Can Trump supporters, now, sympathize with Muslims on this front and work together to clean up the media swamp?
2) Also, what if, it's the same media that is causing tension between the two groups in order to pursue their own agenda?
3) Can/will the two groups actively look for common grounds to combat false divisive narratives?
4) Lastly, now, knowing how deceptive and dishonest the media can be, will Trump supporters be more careful in making judgments based on the media portrayal of "The Other" and events?

We "Trumpers" (people of common sense?) want to expose the media and get to the point where they (the mainstream media) are universally recognized by the people as full of sh*t.

That doesn't mean we want the media to become Islam-friendly. They're already pro-Islam enough. The media has been running interference for you people (muslims) since forever, and it's only getting worse.

Abandon your barbaric religion (or turn it into a harmless, meaningless hobby the way 90% of other religions do), then we can talk. You can't hold on to Islam and expect to be welcomed by any truly civilized people on this planet. The best you can hope for is for society to fear you. This is what we currently have with the left. They're actually scared of Islam but hope they can accomodate you, and eventually win you over with kindness (like a bratty child finally growing up). The left certainly doesn't want to adopt your ideology, even the "moderate" parts, and they're only accommodating because most of them are ignorant and don't even really understand Islam.

We Trumpians\Trumpers\alt-right prefer a more honest approach. We recognize that yes, some civilizations really are better than others, not all religions are equal (even if we secretly admit they're all pretty stupid), and it's ok to judge. We're ok with harmless religions but will never tolerate your faith because ultimately, your faith will never tolerate us. I know there are plenty of laid back muslims but in the big scheme of things, Islam is a movement that by its very nature must conquer all. It's just not a "live and let live" way of thinking and never will be.

[TranceNRG]

A lot of the people who slammed the media for attacking Muslims are the same ones who are now cheering it on when they attack Trump.

Oh, and groups like CAIR are actually quite happy to cheer on the media even when it is attacking other Muslims, like Iran, who they hate. Look at the outrage they spew at anyone who seeks to propose a noninterventionist strategy on Syria, for example.

Example: https://twitter.com/HussamA

So your scenario of a joint offensive against the media has zero chance of success.

Everyone wants the media to demonize the groups they hate, including groups like CAIR (who pretend to be very tolerant).

Right. So, everyone, including most Muslims and Trump supporters, are part of the problem. Any solutions?

[TranceNRG]

We "Trumpers" (people of common sense?) want to expose the media and get to the point where they (the mainstream media) are universally recognized by the people as full of sh*t.

That doesn't mean we want the media to become Islam-friendly. They're already pro-Islam enough. The media has been running interference for you people (muslims) since forever, and it's only getting worse.

I assume you agree that not being dishonest and deceptive against Trump doesn't suddenly make the media "pro-Trump."
Similarly, not being dishonest and deceptive against Muslims doesn't suddenly make the media "pro-Islam."

[ZenBowman]

Right. So, everyone, including most Muslims and Trump supporters, are part of the problem. Any solutions?

I doubt it, the conflict is too fundamental. It goes right to the heart of our deepest beliefs. Which is why of course, global government fails.

Different nations exist because people have different sets of values.

Thought experiment:
What would happen if a million LGBT folks migrated to Iran and then demanded that the society bend over backwards to accommodate them?

[blckndyllw]

For almost 2 decades (if not more), Muslims have been pointing out to media lies and deception against them.

Like?

[jlick]

I doubt it, the conflict is too fundamental. It goes right to the heart of our deepest beliefs. Which is why of course, global government fails.

Different nations exist because people have different sets of values.

Thought experiment:
What would happen if a million LGBT folks migrated to Iran and then demanded that the society bend over backwards to accommodate them?

Well, according to Sharia law, they would be executed.

[watertoy]

No bombs and no migrants.

[Canadian2point0]

Like?

[TranceNRG]

I doubt it, the conflict is too fundamental. It goes right to the heart of our deepest beliefs. Which is why of course, global government fails.

Different nations exist because people have different sets of values.

Thought experiment:
What would happen if a million LGBT folks migrated to Iran and then demanded that the society bend over backwards to accommodate them?

They would bring out the nuances within religion and push people to reflect on their beliefs. However, in the bigger picture, homosexuality will never be legal in Islamic nations.

I personally would rather the media to be honest about LGBTQ situation in Islamic nations than to be dishonest by bringing one random homosexual Muslim to talk about potential Islamic reformation.

[anonymous]

I was chatting to another Trump supporter yesterday and I explained to him the huge difference between moderate muzzie Iranian immigrants who have education, skills an assets vs ****li parasites who have 95% lifetime welfare consumption, despise this country and fund raise for Al Shabab/ISIS every chance they get.

He understood the difference after a short chat, but if the left insists on grouping all flavors of Muslims together in a big old Marxist intersectional victim pool then you can't blame the average American for rejecting you all equally.

[A-GAME]

I like you Trance, but you're off your head, mate.

Media lies against Muslims? Muslims are a protected species in the media. Every day we see the MSM go out of their way to downplay any concerns about Islam and Muslims. If you have any specific examples then feel free to share them, but don't expect a warm reception just because you think Muslims and Trump supporters share the same enemy.

The reason Islam is at odds with a lot of us is because your religion is at odds with our values. In some cases, we share the same values and when that is the case, there is no conflict.

Muslims like Maajid Nawaz and Tarek Fatah are always welcome. Ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Sarah Haider are also welcomed by people on the right. The reason for this is that these people all share our values, it has nothing to do with race or religion.

So if you want to find common ground, look at the values we share. If you don't support free speech, liberal values and the western democratic system, then you are not going to be welcomed. Unfortunately, many Muslims want Sharia which is the antithesis of western democratic values.

[TranceNRG]

I was chatting to another Trump supporter yesterday and I explained to him the huge difference between moderate muzzie Iranian immigrants who have education, skills an assets vs ****li parasites who have 95% lifetime welfare consumption, despise this country and fund raise for Al Shabab/ISIS every chance they get.

He understood the difference after a short chat, but if the left insists on grouping all flavors of Muslims together in a big old Marxist intersectional victim pool then you can't blame the average American for rejecting you all equally.

This is a valid point. However, it's not just a Muslim thing. Not all Christians, Jews, or atheists are alike either. Not all Americans, Canadians, or ****lians are alike either. Not all ....

Plus, ironically, you just placed "the left" into one group. I'm sure it's not hard to imagine people "on the left", who are educated, who do not generalize all Muslims or all Trump supporters into one group or type.

One of media's deceptive tactics has been to generalize and simplify, to paint black and white pictures, and avoid greys, which is much more prevalent.
Not all Trump supporters are redneck hillbillies either. I'm sure there are well-educated and tolerant people, who supported and voted for Trump.

The media puts all Muslims in bag X, all Trump supporters in bag Y, then tells everyone that bag X and Y are enemies and hate each other. The ignorant or intellectually lazy people in those bags, the majority, buy that narrative and go along with it. In turn, they become more and more polarized.

[TranceNRG]

I like you Trance, but you're off your head, mate.

Media lies against Muslims? Muslims are a protected species in the media. Every day we see the MSM go out of their way to downplay any concerns about Islam and Muslims. If you have any specific examples then feel free to share them, but don't expect a warm reception just because you think Muslims and Trump supporters share the same enemy.

The reason Islam is at odds with a lot of us is because your religion is at odds with our values. In some cases, we share the same values and when that is the case, there is no conflict.

Muslims like Maajid Nawaz and Tarek Fatah are always welcome. Ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Sarah Haider are also welcomed by people on the right. The reason for this is that these people all share our values, it has nothing to do with race or religion.

So if you want to find common ground, look at the values we share. If you don't support free speech, liberal values and the western democratic system, then you are not going to be welcomed. Unfortunately, many Muslims want Sharia which is the antithesis of western democratic values.

One of the main points here is that your views and the views of most people about Muslims have been shaped by the media during the past couple of decades. There are documentaries on this topic.

The media is, and has been for a while, in the process of shaping people's views against Trump.

Muslims and Jews, religiously, are very similar. Muslims and Jews, religious or non-religious, for decades, have been living and working within Western societies. Historically, The Other has always been shunned initially, whether it was the Irish, the Jews, or now the Muslims. History teaches us that people will eventually lose their hate and fear of The Other. Of course, there will be difficulties on the way, and there will always be hateful pockets of people scattered around lands, but for the most part, people will always find a way to get along, without losing or abandoning their identities.

Look. I, as a Muslim, dislike being favoured by the media. I don't see this media tactic as a sign of love for Muslims though. It's just putting salt on the wounds of the group that the media dislikes at the moment, namely, Trump supporters or Republicans. Once this phase is over, once Muslims fade into obscurity, once the smoke screen disappears, people will be able to see that those cultural differences that they assumed to be large and irreconcilable aren't as big as they thought.

The Muslim-issue is an instrument that both sides are using in their favours to rile up their supporters. It's an artificial cause to manufacture consent. It's all part of social engineering and perception management.

[ZenBowman]

They would bring out the nuances within religion and push people to reflect on their beliefs. However, in the bigger picture, homosexuality will never be legal in Islamic nations.

Right, and correspondingly, it is unlikely that Islam will be fully accepted in the West, just as homosexuality won't be accepted in Islamic nations.

Certain differences are too fundamental.

I personally would rather the media to be honest about LGBTQ situation in Islamic nations than to be dishonest by bringing one random homosexual Muslim to talk about potential Islamic reformation.

Agreed.

[A-GAME]

One of the main points here is that your views and the views of most people about Muslims have been shaped by the media during the past couple of decades. There are documentaries on this topic.

The media is, and has been for a while, in the process of shaping people's views against Trump.

Muslims and Jews, religiously, are very similar. Muslims and Jews, religious or non-religious, for decades, have been living and working within Western societies. Historically, The Other has always been shunned initially, whether it was the Irish, the Jews, or now the Muslims. History teaches us that people will eventually lose their hate and fear of The Other. Of course, there will be difficulties on the way, and there will always be hateful pockets of people scattered around lands, but for the most part, people will always find a way to get along, without losing or abandoning their identities.

Look. I, as a Muslim, dislike being favoured by the media. I don't see this media tactic as a sign of love for Muslims though. It's just putting salt on the wounds of the group that the media dislikes at the moment, namely, Trump supporters or Republicans. Once this phase is over, once Muslims fade into obscurity, once the smoke screen disappears, people will be able to see that those cultural differences that they assumed to be large and irreconcilable aren't as big as they thought.

The Muslim-issue is an instrument that both sides are using in their favours to rile up their supporters. It's an artificial cause to manufacture consent. It's all part of social engineering and perception management.

This is complete nonsense.

My view of Muslims is shaped by their actions, their beliefs, and my experience living amongst and interacting with them. It has nothing to do with the media.

You seem to have this idea that we don't know you, but we do. Many of us know you well.

[blckndyllw]

Media must be doing a terrible job if the side that doesn't trust them (unless it's Fox News) is more against Muslims - and the side that supposedly listens to the media doesn't believe there's anything to fear about Muslims

[A-GAME]

Media must be doing a terrible job if the side that doesn't trust them (unless it's Fox News) is more against Muslims - and the side that supposedly listens to the media doesn't believe there's anything to fear about Muslims

Ironically, OP gets his view of Trump supporters from the media and thinks we're all ignorant rednecks who've never met a Muslim (not srs)







































(Kind of srs)

[SomaliShred]

It's a nice gesture OP, but I believe that the MSM fails in its' coverage of Islam by NOT exposing its' true nature.


But I'm probably biased. Maybe you could change my mind...

Not my problem you are brainwashed/easily manipulated by your media and cant think reasonably

"Aw why they hate us and some want to kill us"

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-a...213-story.html

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/....C21EC55B4B2731

Just from the last week and not covered by MSM

[Fang3]

The Media.

For almost 2 decades (if not more), Muslims have been pointing out to media lies and deception against them.
Nowadays, as Trump has openly exclaimed, he's in a "war" with the media. His supporters regularly point to media lies and deception against Trump.
I assume that Trump supporters do not trust the media and abhor how the media portrays Trump.

So, there seems to be a shared struggle.

1) Can Trump supporters, now, sympathize with Muslims on this front and work together to clean up the media swamp?
2) Also, what if, it's the same media that is causing tension between the two groups in order to pursue their own agenda?
3) Can/will the two groups actively look for common grounds to combat false divisive narratives?
4) Lastly, now, knowing how deceptive and dishonest the media can be, will Trump supporters be more careful in making judgments based on the media portrayal of "The Other" and events?

[SomaliShred]

Right, and correspondingly, it is unlikely that Islam will be fully accepted in the West, just as homosexuality won't be accepted in Islamic nations.

Certain differences are too fundamental.



Agreed.

Lol what are you talking about?? Muslims that come to the west must abide by laws of the land they reside in end of story

We dont want to force sharia and our muslim ways on to you. Tell me of one experience where muslims forced something on you ?

And pretending like prejudice against gays is only prevalent in muslim countries ? Or nah ? you dont have a personal anti muslim agenda at all