Can the fitness community STOP encouraging deadlifts/compounds?

[andrew28]

I have nothing against deadlifts but the "fitness community" or whatever you wanna call it these days, has overrated the sh!t out of that exercise.

"How much can you deadlift?" has become the new "How much can you bench?"

It's definitely the new ego lift these days.

[Shawn346]

I have nothing against deadlifts but the "fitness community" or whatever you wanna call it these days, has overrated the sh!t out of that exercise.

"How much can you deadlift?" has become the new "How much can you bench?"

It's definitely the new ego lift these days.

But it's still worth it.

[dogorman7]

Lmao op. I bet you dont even lift. What do youre big three look like ? And injuries and strains are apart of everyones weightlifting career. Some people may not do serious damage to anything but everyone exceperinces some type of injury or strain over time. My shoulder tendinitis flars up if im not strict on my bench form ( going past parallel ****s your **** up) when doing heavy bench but i still do it. Im just really good about my form instead of ego lifting and bouncing it off my chest. Keep coming up with excuses why you dont lift and keep looking like the same skinny fat **** year after year while the rest of us get bigger and more shredded. Just ldar pussy ass peasent.









Just fyi for the rest of you bros : once you hurt your shoulders its for life, i dont think i tore anything just had really bad tendinitis but i had over worked my shoulders when i was like 16 and had only been lifting for a year. I sprained my wrist and after it healed i jumped back in too quick. Learned my lesson thou. It flares up sometimes but its managable with good form. Just stay safe. Keep good care of your shoulders/rotator cuffs. If you tear your rc or the tendons around it bad enough , your upper body days are over.

[melDorado]

Tried to avoid posting because I've multiple negged in this thread but cmon guys....

Fit young men scared of picking up chit off the floor? Rly?
Arthritic old woman out lifting you probly
As long as you train smart these lifts will STOP you fukin up your back. Have you seen normals bending over? Makes me cringe the state of it. Once you learn to deadlift properly you will never bend over wrong again. Trouble is fi young men often dont lift smart. They don't stick to sensible programming. They do too much volume and they randomly max out with bad form.
As far as it doesn't build muscle pls post pics of skinny powerlifters.

[Friendly300]

Avi not even once.

Also, Strongest username to thread topic ratio ive seen in a long time.

Avi is irrelevant...

But it's still worth it.

He was actually 282 lbs when he did that lift. He did hold the 275 record for a while though with 881, but that's since been broken. If he was a full 308 I wonder how much more he could have done that day.



No belt, no straps, no problem.

Competitions should be beltless and no wrist wraps (straps aren't allowed already) imo. This is coming from someone that's competed a lot.

edit: typo

[Exiled93]

Survival of the fittest.

Do whatever exercises you want to do if it doesn't endanger anyone else.

[nzgs]

The problem is form, not exercise choice. And people copying the form of elite powerlifters thinking its conducive to anything other than moving the maximum weight from A to B.

Not saying I like those exercises, I do rack pulls instead of deadlifts, and dumbbell bench press only, but those exercises are perfectly safe if done with weights that allow a proper cadence with minimal momentum.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

it's the responsibility of the gym goer to learn the moves he's performing. it's not the fitness community's problem or responsibility when someone doesn't bother to learn the move properly before maxing out. you say it yourself; these lifts done correctly are terrific. so take the time to learn them.

This^^

It's absolutely retarded to avoid compound movements, especially for a beginners. Not the fitness communities fault people are dumb and don't take the time to learn how to lift correctly. It isn't rocket science.

[4everalone]

230lbs 6x5 on dat dare deadlift OP. And plan to continue adding weight until I decide to reset.

Stay weak ****git.

Most lifters who never deadlift can lift that lol

I never understood why squat, DL & barbell bench are advocated so much in bodybuilding. Only reason why powerlifters focus so much on them is because those lifts are their sport. lol at basing your whole training around a sport you dont compete in

[Buckyx]

every ****ing thing can hurt you. Ive injured my shoulder/collar bone area for months just from single deadhang on pull up bar. with previous weighted pull ups history so it wasnt like I first time grabbed pull up bar

[Shawn346]

Sumo is ****ing gay lol.

Competitions should be beltless and no wrist wraps (straps aren't allowed already) imo. This is coming from someone that's competed a lot.

Also knee wraps are ridiculous.

[Intruder26]

He has a point. Whos gonna look better. The guy doing 5x5 squats or the guy doing 3x10 leg press, leg extension, calf raises and ham curls

[doiliftbro]

I stopped trying to lift heavy a long time ago. I use compound lifts as my main routine but I just lift enough to struggle on my last reps. just trying to preserve physique and overall health at this point.

[Retoaded]

230lbs 6x5 on dat dare deadlift OP. And plan to continue adding weight until I decide to reset.

Stay weak ****git.

[MrAWatts]

I have nothing against deadlifts but the "fitness community" or whatever you wanna call it these days, has overrated the sh!t out of that exercise.

"How much can you deadlift?" has become the new "How much can you bench?"

It's definitely the new ego lift these days.

Small deadlift detected.

[iliketojuggle]

230lbs 6x5 on dat dare deadlift OP. And plan to continue adding weight until I decide to reset.

Stay weak ****git.

lol I do strict bb rows with more than that

[iliketojuggle]

Sumo is ****ing gay lol.


Also knee wraps are ridiculous.

lol @ sumo. brb lifting the weight 10 inches, done.

knee wraps on the other hand are useful

[Jesse_l_g]

sigh.

compound exercises should be the core of any persons routine bro. If you see someone about to hurt themselves, intervene. IF they take the advice, great, if not, well its their loss.

It's not the exercise that needs to go, it's idiots who don't know how to lift, or are too hard headed to seek help that need to go.

You're probably a liberal too, huh?

This. Honestly if you aren't willing to learn the fundamental exercises correctly GTFO of the gym. srs there is no point being there. WTF are you even saying OP? Without compounds whats left? Are you honestly saying you will be less likely to get an injury if you only do isolation fluff? You might not hurt yourself doing isolation curls but how about in the real world? The entire reason for going to the gym should be to develop the 7 primal movement pattern. Squat, lunge, push, pull, twist, bend and gait. To get strong in those positions so you are a more useful human and don't get hurt at work, playing with your kids, sports, etc.

[Messiahtype]

Had a tricep injury year before last and did one arm deadlifts just because it is the most enjoyable lift known to man.

[Zackad]

This is the 2017 we live in.

Guns kill people

Weights are responsible for injuries

Cars cause crashes.

Such is life.

[BroHusky]

This all you need to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyRiw2b8yI4&app=desktop

DL's are great

[sammywatkins]

This. Honestly if you aren't willing to learn the fundamental exercises correctly GTFO of the gym. srs there is no point being there. WTF are you even saying OP? Without compounds whats left? Are you honestly saying you will be less likely to get an injury if you only do isolation fluff? You might not hurt yourself doing isolation curls but how about in the real world? The entire reason for going to the gym should be to develop the 7 primal movement pattern. Squat, lunge, push, pull, twist, bend and gait. To get strong in those positions so you are a more useful human and don't get hurt at work, playing with your kids, sports, etc.

People go to the gym to get bigger, not develop primal movement patterns. Lol.

[HTDG]

Just from observation, bodybuilders look wider, and powerlifters look thicker, and I think where the difference lies is in OHP and pullups (weighted) like he says. Most powerlifters I know don't touch either OHP or pullups, and hence tend to look like they do, but like what you say, lats are essential for that v-taper.

Also, I thought upper/lower chest was a myth? Most people are just fat, so their lower chest look bigger.

Either way, 99% of GYM GOERS are nowhere near the size where asymmetries matter. As long as they add OHP and pullups to get wide shoulders and wide backs. I think it'll do till they become more elite.

You are part of the retarded 99%

Yes upper and lower chest are definitely things and no you dont get a bigger lower chest cause youre fat just fukking lol at you.

Also U fukkin wat m8? Powerlifters dont do pull ups or OHP? GTFO MORON

Edit: YOU DONT KNOW ANY FUKKING POWERLIFTERS YOU DYEL *******. YOU KNOW FAT PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE GYM.

[Chrysippus]

I'm gonna put you in the red in 5 minutes if you don't explain yourself.

Lol oh ****, threatening people with that massive 2k rep power. I think he'll live.

[phillyfreak7]

How many more people need to get injured until the fitness community stops encouraging people to do deadlifts, OHP, squats, or any other compounds?

Srs. I have not seen a SINGLE person in my gym deadlifting right. Every single one of them has an arched back of peace even when they don't even realize it.

Look, the deadlift is a great exercise when done CORRECTLY. If you have a legit personal trainer, or learn how to deadlift at an olympic or powerlifting gym then it's probably awesome to you because you're doing it correctly. But chances are you don't watch furcking YouTube fitness videos or whatever. Reality is that 99% of lifters who do compounds do them really furcking wrong, and only set themselves up for injuries.

Same applies to OHP and other compounds... Your goal at the gym shouldn't be to get a herniated disc, it should be to get stronger or build muscles.

Broscience and fitness culture tells people to do "alpha" compounds, but seriously phuck that. Your health is more important than everything else. Don't worry, you can still get big legs from leg press.

Discuss.

Terrible terrible logic.

The squat and the deadlift are two of the most fundamental movements a human being will during their lifetime. You're deadlifting every single time you pick something off the floor.

Of course technique needs to be taught. But EVERYONE should squat and deadlift.

[DirtyTrickster]

15 sets of deadlift? I usually only do 3-4 working sets. What is this 15 set talk?

[Zerafian]

Im not entirely sure people with under 5 years of training should try and defend or argue OPs stupid post. You need to have lifted and learned what the cause and effect, pros and cons of doing those lifts over a LONG period of time. A lot of stupid, younger lifters always act like they know these powerlifters that are healthy and dont have any problems. In reality, thats complete and utter bullsh*t and you're talking out of your ass. No matter what, you end up with many many aches and pains, you just dont have the experience under your belt to understand that. I would never want anyone to experience chronic aches and pains but the human body sucks and its 100% part of it.

There is nothing special or magical about the big 3. Flat barbell isnt some special excercise that will yield greater results that flat or incline dumbells. Same with squat compared to front squats or hacks. Deadlift is great for lower back and that it hits so many muscles, but its not absolutely necessary.

Like you said as you get stronger and as you get smarter you find yourself doing the big 3 less and less. I do legs monday and friday. Im not squatting both days week after week. Thats simply not needed to grow my legs. Hacks, lunges, leg press and other excercises are just as good.

This forum has an absolutely toxic mindset when it comes to lifting. Machines, smith machine, and isolation excercises are all great tools to use in order to help you get bigger. They all have their uses and benefits, you would think a bodybuilding forum would realize this. Its no wonder some many on thi site are dyel

The idea isnt that you have to go heavy, the idea is to learn how to handle weight in its rawest form(within the gym). Learn how to respect the weights with proper form, early on, with these basic lifts and it will bud and expand to every other exercise you do...forever.

Iv watched people that learn to lift from cables and machines. It translates into a terrible foundation. Im not talking about middle aged women that want to get fit or fat guys trying to lose weight. Im talking about younger men or women that fall in love with lifting and go on to do it for a very long time.

[cncman]

He has a point. Whos gonna look better. The guy doing 5x5 squats or the guy doing 3x10 leg press, leg extension, calf raises and ham curls

The squatter.

[Retoaded]

He has a point. Whos gonna look better. The guy doing 5x5 squats or the guy doing 3x10 leg press, leg extension, calf raises and ham curls

the guy with the best genetics who eats the best and sleeps the best.

[tats27]

Why do reds and/or no avi's even bother posting, let alone try to give advice?

I built this physique on Starting Strength, 5-3-1, and a 4 day compound based program built around my goals.

6'1" 200 - come at me non-lifting pussies