Im 15% bf right now and im almost invisible to women

[GravityLee]

In my workout pics im below 12% and lifting 6 days a week. Lately at least 15% and 3 days a week if lucky. The results are interesting to say the least:

Before leaned out
- single moms openly hit on me in front of their kids
- girls invent reasons to talk to me or keep talking to me in case i will ask them out
- old women that literally give no fks touch my arms, stare at my butt til i notice on purpose, tell me to my face im sexy
- young girls constantly playing the lookyloo eye fk game back and forth
- attention from gay men over 9000
- have had people of other ethnicities ask if im a famous model or celebrity (dat der hot white guys kinda look the same if youre not white thing)

Right now
- cashier at starbucks wont even look me in the eyes while she takes my order (doesnt want me to try to ask her out)
- have been on dates with legit 4/10s that want me to buy dinner, wait for sex weeks when i woulda clapped right away before
- last couple of times went out with my wingman my standard is 10+ cold approaches. No pulls some of the girls were nice and we chatted, but none really were flirty or expressed interest

My genetics cause me to hold fat in the face easily. I look good with my shirt off, but not epic, and my face looks like a chipmunk.

You guys will assume i made this thread to vent or cry. I didnt. Im still getting laid here or there and ill be below 12% in a couple months again. I made this thread because you guys really need to understand what a huge determinant bodyfat percentage is for physical attractiveness. This is set in stone for most people. The people with higher bf that look good are the outliers - they are people that could have been a model if they werent fat, or chit a very small percentage of people just carry fat very well. Anyway my hope is one person will read this and think about cutting weight today and changing their life.

How I lose weight:
Walk 1 hour a day 5x a week
Throw away half my meal when im eating and realize im full or that only the crap is left on my plate i shouldnt eat
Lots of water and small snacks like a yogurt

12% bf or less and lifting 6x a week will get you the look you desire imo for having girls notice you

[thebrainiac]

Yeah I highly doubt that.

[ioveme2]

So you're saying you have bad facial aesthetics? And rely on your body to attract?

[xam1996]

I think youre over exaggerating a bit, but I agree. Cant wait to finish this bulk

[SazabiBrah]

That sucks, I'm around 15% bf but still have a solid jawline. Still get mires everywhere I go

[RhinoBody]

- attention from gay men over 9000

Straight truth and the strangest part of being lean. I choose to be flattered.

[BtchW8]

Wake up call indeed, i have been slacking so bad this month with lifting and cardio, i'm lucky to hit the gym 3x a week.
Going to do my best to cut but my eating habits are so bad I don't know if I can make any real progress.

[y0jimbo]

Confirmation bias:

Is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities.
The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

[zhengterry]

yup

[RhinoBody]

Confirmation bias:

Is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities.
The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

A good point, but I have some strong anecdotal evidence supporting the gay thing. Was approached and asked out at least three times when I was lean. And I mean cold approached. Once by a woman and twice by men. There may be other reasons that this no longer happens, but it's most likely that I have become fat and lost my glow.

[GravityLee]

So you're saying you have bad facial aesthetics? And rely on your body to attract?

That sucks, I'm around 15% bf but still have a solid jawline. Still get mires everywhere I go

My face is just as average as can be. I never try to hide that fact. I get laid off my body. I have a full head of hair, blue eyes best feature, and straight white teeth. I dont have anything working against me, but in a room of 100 guys ill be right there in the middle.

[OffwhiteBrah]

can you post a celeb face of what yours look like, maybe then we will have some answers for ya

[dhawkeye1980]

Cool story

[CANADlAN]

14% bf currently and still look good crew

[PeteJonesHTX]

This only applies to ppl who hold fat easily in their face. 15% should look fine otherwise.

[PisseninMisc]

Agreed with every single word of your post. It matter even more at higher BF%. The difference between 15% and 20% is absolutely life changing. Even if you're ugly as fuk you'll look less ugly at a lower BF% unless you have some really fuked up genetics.

[shoelaces]

It's worst for someone like you who has a ton of mass. Brb layer of fat over it makes you look fat as hell underneath clothes. Being lean is the most important thing. Someone said on here a while ago that mass only impresses other dudes while leanness impresses everyone. It's true. Especially if you are the type who's face bloats up like crazy. Brb on that dreamer bulk look.

[momo5]

why you walking instead of doing hiit cardio?

[AyyBrah]

Tfw sub 12%, chiseled face, hazel eyes etc etc and get female attention but das it OP. Don't get hit on, just pathetic looks.

Females don't understand the struggle to get lean and maintain that daily. Unlike for a female to look good all she has to have is a fat ass, big tits and cake of makeup on and bang.

[Aircommander91]

don't worry brah. 3~4 weeks of cutting and you're back at that 10~11% bf sweet spot.

brb just go to bed hungry for a few weeks.


(to do it at that rate you will have to take it srs doe, no alcohol, no cheat days. everyday is kcal deficit, everyday u go to bed hungry)

also it would be good doing treadmill or running outside at least 3x/week

[TheWeeknd4Ever]

How I lose weight:
Walk 1 hour a day 5x a week
Throw away half my meal when im eating and realize im full or that only the crap is left on my plate i shouldnt eat
Lots of water and small snacks like a yogurt

12% bf or less and lifting 6x a week will get you the look you desire imo for having girls notice you

But who was portion control.......If you are literally throwing away half of all the food you eat, I got some bad news cuz. Literally, just put less food on your plate...I'm sure it'll save you a couple of bucks

[Azrairc]

is other words

why bulk when it's all about the face?


save, printed and framed for motivation


semi srs

[GravityLee]

why you walking instead of doing hiit cardio?

A year ago i was walking/jogging a trail. A hot girl in a sports bra blew by me. I sprinted after her and tore my achilles tendon like a true miscer. I have rehabbed a serious rotator cuff tear on my own figured id do the same no doctor. A year later my ankle still bothers me some but ive stepped up to rehabbing it 3x a week and its getting close to no pain and full functionality. I did 2 hours walking the beach yesterday and will try light jogging soon.

[shoelaces]

But who was portion control.......If you are literally throwing away half of all the food you eat, I got some bad news cuz. Literally, just put less food on your plate...I'm sure it'll save you a couple of bucks

What a waste of food. There are plenty of people who go hungry. Not even in 3rd world countries either but plenty of people you see everyday have limited budgets for food. Chit is straight disrespectful to throw away food. Just make less like this guy said.

[Tangential]

Confirmation bias:

Is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities.
The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

This

OP attaches way too much self esteem to his body...which is kind sad for someone who is apparently 35

TBH being lean is great, attractive too...but the vast majority of people simply will not see the difference especially when you're clothed

[shoelaces]

the vast majority of people simply will not see the difference especially when you're clothed

You just need wide shoulders to look good in clothing. So thick delts, traps, neck and you look 20lbs larger than you really are. Too bad these muscles only really pop when you are teched up.

[TalkinDaHardest]

My face is just as average as can be. I never try to hide that fact. I get laid off my body. I have a full head of hair, blue eyes best feature, and straight white teeth. I dont have anything working against me, but in a room of 100 guys ill be right there in the middle.

white, blue eyes with a full head of hair.... right in the middle?

maybe in a room full of white guys with hair and blue eyes, then you'd be in the middle. just judging by those attributes its unlikely you're not top 20%. you'd need to actually be FAT for that to be the case.

[AyyBrah]

You just need wide shoulders to look good in clothing. So thick delts, traps, neck and you look 20lbs larger than you really are. Too bad these muscles only really pop when you are teched up.

...Or in the gym in a stringer with a pump. As soon as you go home tfw look small.

[GravityLee]

This

OP attaches way too much self esteem to his body...which is kind sad for someone who is apparently 35

TBH being lean is great, attractive too...but the vast majority of people simply will not see the difference especially when you're clothed

why are you on a bodybuilding website

[Teux]

But who was celltech?

Natty
Big
Lean

Pick 2 mate.

Edit: You're definitely natty, but I think a 5'10 200lb @ 14% is more impressive and will get more attention than a 5'10 170lb 8% dyel while they are both wearing shirts.

Climate permitting, if I go to a beach 1-2x a year why would I be diced like a guy who resides in California???