new expensive proposed plan discuss?

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 07:49 AM

a 2 week split...
week 1 :
monday - bjj/muay thai/run/condition
tuesday - bjj/muay thai/run/condition
wed - chest/back/shoulders/abs
thursday - bjj/muay thai/run/condition
fri - legs/abs
sat - arms/run/condition

week 2:
monday - bjj/muay thai/chest/back/abs/maybe run condition
tuesday - bjj/muay thai/run/condition
wed - arms/abs
thursday - bjj/muay thai/run/conditionin
friday - legs/abs
sat - bjj/muay thai/run/condition

i was wondering if anyone could provide me with some input on this... i would like to hit abs three times a week...

**BigStew** · 03-07-2007, 07:54 AM

You are overtraining and will be sick in after the first week or so is done. What is BJJ. You need to take days off. Your body can not just GO GO GO. It needs to rest and recover.

**zspturbo** · 03-07-2007, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by BigStew

You are overtraining and will be sick in after the first week or so is done. What is BJJ. You need to take days off. Your body can not just GO GO GO. It needs to rest and recover.

brazillian jiu-jitsu

**bixtonim** · 03-07-2007, 08:32 AM

bjj is grappling,ground grappling,i do bjj too and kick box,and i compete ,but i too think you are over training,you should't be able to do both muay thai and bjj in the same day,provided you are sparring hard enough,let alone add weight training beside bjj or muay thai in the same day
basically if u can do more then one training a day ,you are not training hard enough.

**Helis** · 03-07-2007, 09:16 AM

Your proposed plan makes it pretty clear that you need to learn a great deal about functional training and the realistic limitations imposed by your body. The above plan probably wouldn't even work for some professional martial artists with no other committments in life. The best thing you can do is head over to crossfit.com, read up on their methods, and check out what their other martial artists are posting in the forums.

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 09:48 AM

well ive been running a similiar regime for about a month, then stopped due to a thumb/toe injury and have been onhiatus for 2 weeks and now was trying to impliment a new regime, it was more mentally burning me out than anything

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 09:50 AM

yeah i do lack knowledge in cross training as i have only been weight training for all this time and never really committed to something in addittion to it

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 09:52 AM

i was planning on sundays to be me complete recovery day, i thought 2 days a week was sufficient for recovery(sat/sun) but found myself to lose control over the recovery days

**nitrored** · 03-07-2007, 09:54 AM

How much time does the average "bjj/muay thai/run/condition" session take?

**Helis** · 03-07-2007, 10:06 AM

You have to consider that overtraining is a neural and endocrine event, not a local muscular one. Loss of motivation (mental burn out) is one of the indicators that fatigue may be starting to overwhelm your recovery capacity.

Another thing to consider is the nature of the training you propose. How many top-level fighters, do you think, have an "arm day" in their training program? I'd bet very few, if any. Traditional bodybuilding methods are not concerned with functional fitness. So why would you use those methods to train for a combat sport?

You need to develop strength, power, agility, muscular endurance, cardiovascular endurance, etc. The trick is combining all of those elements into a single, coherent program that still allows for adequate recovery and a life.

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 10:20 AM

i am in complete agreement with that statement, its just that this "gym,weightlifting" routine/limited knowledge has become molded into my head that i think in limited capacities.

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by nitrored

How much time does the average "bjj/muay thai/run/condition" session take?

an hour for the muay thai, 2 hours for the bjj(first hour is drilling) second hour open mat

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 10:22 AM

i guess i would have to try new things, the bodybuilders split isnt really necessary in what i do, i was in major denial of this because of my limited knowledge outside of the basic 3 day lifting split... etc

**Helis** · 03-07-2007, 10:22 AM

I'm telling you, head over to www.crossfit.com and read up on everything. They have a lot of martial artists over there and I'm certain that you can find plenty of discussion in their forums about meshing the workouts with your classes.

**BigStew** · 03-07-2007, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by zspturbo

brazillian jiu-jitsu

Ok thanks man

**sartreroquentin** · 03-07-2007, 11:21 AM

thanks again everyone

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