If Ramy or Dexter win Mr Olympia Europe, will they equal Phil ?

[LimitBreak]

Is one Mr Olympia title better than the other ?

Brand dilution IMO

[TropicalSunset]

The REAL Olympia is the one in the US. Everyone knows that. This is a second tier show and doesn't carry the prestige of THE Olympia.

[Alito2013]

To get into de Olympia you have to qualify,the Olympia Europe it's just like any other Pro show.

[bartosh]

It's the same thing as the multiple Arnolds. One has the most prestige (even though it'd argue the arnold europe is better now since most top Olympia competitors compete there but skip Ohio)

[Alito2013]

it'd argue the arnold europe is better now since most top Olympia competitors compete there but skip Ohio

You made a very good point bro

[ROMMYromboid]

Is one Mr Olympia title better than the other ?

Brand dilution IMO

This year the Olympia was missing current world #1 Kai Greene and multiple Olympia contender Dennis Wolf, competing in one show and one show only is not s true test of how good a bodybuilder one is especially if the top guys decided to go for other trophies AKA AC.

The answer to OPS question is no, they are the same, if Kai and Wolf entered the Euro one and they were beaten by Heath then this would be a greater thing than winning the standard Olympia missing the top guys.

To put this to extremes imagine if Phil Heath was the only competitor and Jason Genova the other competitor then the 1st and 2nd positions would not necessarily indicate WORLD CLASS.

[BartPimpson]

If I hold a contest called "Mr Olympia Bart" in my backyard and win that, will I equal Phil?

This thread sucks.

[brendanh32]

If I hold a contest called "Mr Olympia Bart" in my backyard and win that, will I equal Phil?

This thread sucks.

#Bart2016

[Milone79]

would be nice to see Phil do more than one show per year....he has in the past

[Alito2013]

If I hold a contest called "Mr Olympia Bart" in my backyard and win that, will I equal Phil?

This thread sucks.

lol

[LimitBreak]

(even though it'd argue the arnold europe is better now since most top Olympia competitors compete there but skip Ohio)

This is a very valid point, if no top pros compete at the Arnold Ohio, will it still be a prestigious show compared to Arnold Europe ?

If I hold a contest called "Mr Olympia Bart" in my backyard and win that, will I equal Phil?

This thread sucks.

Nah, but if the IFBB, weider's organization, and AMI hold Bart's Olympia, then they can make that contest to whatever they please.

[Loctus]

I'm a bit surprised over the expansion of the Arnold and the Olympia to be honest. Brand dilution for sure. I guess the short term revenue of additional shows outweigh the long term impact on the brands.

And it should be a lot worse and more damaging to the Olympia brand than to the Arnold brand. The Arnold can probably get away with it pretty well, the Olympia not so much imo.

[batspoof]

I'm a bit surprised over the expansion of the Arnold and the Olympia to be honest. Brand dilution for sure. I guess the short term revenue of additional shows outweigh the long term impact on the brands.

And it should be a lot worse and more damaging to the Olympia brand than to the Arnold brand. The Arnold can probably get away with it pretty well, the Olympia not so much imo.

Dude, the reason they're doing this is all about money. Promoting bodybuilding in continental europe to sucker more consumers into the supplement industry.

[SammyJr]

been training balls to da wall for bart 2016. im at war baby

[BartPimpson]

Dude, the reason they're doing this is all about money. Promoting bodybuilding in continental europe to sucker more consumers into the supplement industry.

The way I see it, contests only matter if there's some legacy behind them. The Mr Olympia in Vegas is the continuation of a dynasty that's been running for 42 years. Win it, and your name gets written in the history books alongside Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronnie Coleman. There's history there. It means something.

When you win the Mr Olympia Boratstan (or whatever) you're winning...what, exactly? A title that didn't even exist a few years ago? And which might get discontinued at any time (as happened to the Masters Olympia)?

been training balls to da wall for bart 2016. im at war baby

I hear FullROM's coming out of retirement. We'd better bring our A-game.

[Kulutues]

would be nice to see Phil do more than one show per year....he has in the past

Nah bro....gotta condition glutes 365 days/year. No putting on size anywhere or getting big if ur Phix, just stay small and narrow and condition those glutes all year long baby

[Alito2013]

When you win the Mr Olympia Boratstan (or whatever) you're winning...what, exactly?

An ordinary Pro show,one more of the list of the IFBB Pro League.
Nothing to do with the "Mr Olympia".It's like more money for promotores and bbers.
But remember years ago the Mr Olympia was held in Europe,South Africa,etc,etc.

[Glenn Gould]

Newcomers to the sport will be confused. I mean... fast forward a couple of years and ... will we have Olympia Brazil? And then maybe Olympia Asia? And then maybe add 212 catergories in each... and we end up with 8 different Mr. Olympia winners each year.

[AlphaProExpert]

Newcomers to the sport will be confused. I mean... fast forward a couple of years and ... will we have Olympia Brazil? And then maybe Olympia Asia? And then maybe add 212 catergories in each... and we end up with 8 different Mr. Olympia winners each year.

I agree. Very confusing.

[Silvercock]

And it should be a lot worse and more damaging to the Olympia brand than to the Arnold brand. The Arnold can probably get away with it pretty well, the Olympia not so much imo.

This, the whole point of creating the Olympia was to determine the champion of champions.

[darkcancerbrain]

Newcomers to the sport will be confused. I mean... fast forward a couple of years and ... will we have Olympia Brazil? And then maybe Olympia Asia? And then maybe add 212 catergories in each... and we end up with 8 different Mr. Olympia winners each year.

Sounds just like the Arnold classic. Everyone knows though the American one is the real deal though. Although regarding the Arnold Classics, you could make a case for the European one being the one that should set the benchmark; you have all the top dogs competing in it apart from the Olympia. The American Arnold usually only has a few top guys, but mostly a lot of near the top and middle of the line guys.

[Loctus]

Dude, the reason they're doing this is all about money. Promoting bodybuilding in continental europe to sucker more consumers into the supplement industry.

Yeah I'm very well aware of why they do it lol

My point is that I hope they've at least had the discussion over brand dilution and gone over this seriously beforehand. It's a real issue facing them in the future now. It might damage the company and industry more, in the long run (LESS $$$$), than it adds in value. I can only assume (hope) that an organization the size of the IFBB has economists attached actually going over these issues.

The best example I can think of to clearly demonstrate the problem of brand dilution is "Why doesn't Victoria's Secret make a lingerie line for plus-sized chicks? It would sell a ton and make them bank!" - The reason why they don't is brand dilution

[BartPimpson]

The best example I can think of to clearly demonstrate the problem of brand dilution is "Why doesn't Victoria's Secret make a lingerie line for plus-sized chicks? It would sell a ton and make them bank!" - The reason why they don't is brand dilution

Yeah, the same way Men's Health Magazine can't double their subscribers by rebranding themselves as People's Health Magazine.

[stealth_swimmer]

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