There's a good chance I'm about to contract HIV tonight

[DIREALBOSS]

Do you honestly think Fascist Germany posed no threat to anyone if they just handed Poland over? Not to mention they would have still had to been okay with letting an ally get invaded and fuked up. Not sure why letting an ally fall would be an option. Last I heard England and Britain won, an evil dictator and his ideology were crushed, and we are remembered as the good guys.

Fascist Germany was not interested in taking Poland, only taking back the German areas that were given to Poland at the end of WW1. Had Poland given back these areas to Germany and made an effort to be friendly and atleast civilized, then Germany would have never invaded and the Soviets probably would not have invaded either. Poland was literally invaded and conquered because of England and France encouraging it not to have peace with Germany.

[LazyStarfish]

The illuminati told them too.

[Lawlstud]

Yeah, they sure did a good job rescuing Poland. It was in such a free state at the end of the war!
So much for not letting an ally get invaded

Poland still exist though right? I don't know why people think wars are these clean cut excersises where the winners get everything they wanted. Stalin was heavily involved in the war against Germany at that point and dividing up part of Poland was highly favorable than risking all out war with the USSR. We knew we could beat Germany within reasonable expectations, the outlook for the cost to beat the USSR was bleak to say the least, and if it had come to that I doubt half the European countries in existence today would exist.


Not to mention after the war with Germany was done, all the allies were then launching war on Japan, the USSR wasn't someone anyone wanted to go to war with at that time. Stalin knew this, which is why when Germany was on the brink of collapse he began demanding the piece of Poland which Germany had offered them.

Fascist Germany was not interested in taking Poland, only taking back the German areas that were given to Poland at the end of WW1. Had Poland given back these areas to Germany and made an effort to be friendly and atleast civilized, then Germany would have never invaded and the Soviets probably would not have invaded either. Poland was literally invaded and conquered because of England and France encouraging it not to have peace with Germany.

I 100% don't believe that, not to mention they still declared war and invaded Poland knowing full well the pacts Poland had with Britain and France. Don't know how you can speak on what Germany would have done or not done if the allies had simply done nothing and let Nazi Germany have their way. I am sure Stalin was pretty confident in what Germany would do/not do as well.
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[DIREALBOSS]

Lol brah, do you even Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

Are you aware of everything Germany was doing before September 1st, 1939? They announced a plan to specifically build a navy that could conquer Britains Navy, all Hitlers speech's threatened total annihilation if they didn't get what they wanted, they were massing weapons and armaments, they knew after Poland they were going to have to fight, so I think it's a safe assumption Hitler 100% expected to invade France and Britain after invading Poland.

I'm pretty sure that nothing you said at all here is true actually.

[EmanuelKant]

Hitler and then Germans never had plans to invade France and Belgium until after France declared war on Germany, so I really don't know what you're talking about. Do you think Germany wanted to invade and take over France and Belgium? Absolutely untrue

I don't "think" they wanted to, it is a fact. Read about the remilitarization of the Rhineland in 1936. That was the beginning. Hitler didn't want to "take over France". He wanted the northern areas that he occupied because in his eyes they belonged to the German people. And Belgium (along with the Netherlands) was allegedly land on the Western front for the Germanic peoples too.

Britain was concerned about THAT particular geo-strategic importance of those plans because they could be used as a springboard to invade the British Isles. Again, they didn't actually care much about France, and they absolutely didn't give a fuark about Poland - except to use it as a pre-text to try and halt Germany's expansion.

[tank2003]

Germany invading poland started ww2 officially. then the luftwaffe branched out from there and started making europe their bitch. It took the help fo the red army and and the british giving up their bases abroad to us americans to stop them

[WagerKing]

I feel like misc is where a bunch of the kids who took all basic high school classes barely passing, slept through History, and just never learn critical thinking, all end up.

Powerpoints/Textbooks ruined school

Everythings out of a book now. Teachers dont do work, they just go off a book. Sad.

Wish I had a teacher who taught classes on his knowledge and didnt give multiple choice tests I found online before I took it

[newtothelift]

You all couldn't be more of a bunch a ******* children if you tried

[DIREALBOSS]

I don't "think" they wanted to, it is a fact. Read about the remilitarization of the Rhineland in 1936. That was the beginning. Hitler didn't want to "take over France". He wanted the northern areas that he occupied because in his eyes they belonged to the German people. And Belgium (along with the Netherlands) was allegedly land on the Western front for the Germanic peoples too.

Britain was concerned about THAT particular geo-strategic importance of those plans because they could be used as a springboard to invade the British Isles. Again, they didn't actually care much about France, and they absolutely didn't give a fuark about Poland - except to use it as a pre-text to try and halt Germany's expansion.

Hitler pretty much directly said that Germany does not need to expand to the west, and that would be a wrong move. Aside from taking back any German land that was lost after WW1, Hitler said that if Germany was to expand, it would have to be in the east at the expense of Russia. Aside that any land France may have had that was formerly German before WW1, there was no plans to conquer France or Belgium or England. Hell Germany could have destroyed England easily but choose not to because they thought England would come to its senses and make peace.

[DIREALBOSS]

Thing is, Britain and France knew that Germany would approach Poland to work out the taking back of those German areas. Knowing this they promised Poland they would come to its aid and that they should not give an inch to Germany. They did this to make Germany have to invade so that they could have their war because it was England and France who wanted war, not Germany.

Hitler peacefully got back German lands two or three times at that point already, and there is no reason to believe that he didn't want to also do it peacefully with Poland as well.

[EmanuelKant]

Hitler pretty much directly said that Germany does not need to expand to the west, and that would be a wrong move. Aside from taking back any German land that was lost after WW1, Hitler said that if Germany was to expand, it would have to be in the east at the expense of Russia. Aside that any land France may have had that was formerly German before WW1, there was no plans to conquer France or Belgium or England. Hell Germany could have destroyed England easily but choose not to because they thought England would come to its senses and make peace.

I think you'll find that you're arguing with me for no reason. Britain fuarked up both WWI and WWII with its decisions, thus the reason it went from superpower to cuck status. Niall Ferguson documents this vividly in his works on the death of the Western world and civilisation, beginning in 1918.

What Hitler said, and what Nazi Germany actually did, were often not the same thing.

Germany would not have destroyed Britain easily. Britain actually matched Germany in terms of firepower on land and air, and their naval fleet would have absolutely rekt the Kriegsmarine. Hitler was an army man, a hardened soldier, and didn't give a chit about the navy. The Luftwaffe were hectic - but Britain over estimated them.

If you actually read about Britain's haphazard military decisions, and their hesitance to do what was necessary and what was right - you'll see how badly they consistently fuarked up throughout the war, even at times when they should have rekt the Axis.

It wasn't until their spies cracked Germany's codes, and Germany made the fatal decision of going to war with the USSR, that enabled the Allies (with the help of the US) to win. Germany wasted valuable men and resources on saving Italy and going to war with the USSR. Until then, it was pretty certain that Germany was actually going to win the war.

[Lawlstud]

I'm pretty sure that nothing you said at all here is true actually.

Okay so I will break it down for you.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact:

"The stated clauses of the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact were a guarantee of non-belligerence by each party towards the other, and a written commitment that neither party would ally itself to, or aid, an enemy of the other party. In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland into German and Soviet "spheres of influence"
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But ofcourse after Poland everything was going to be chill and no further actions taken.


Plan Z


"Plan Z was the name given to the planned re-equipment and expansion of the Kriegsmarine (German navy) ordered by Adolf Hitler in early 1939. The fleet was meant to challenge the naval power of the United Kingdom, and was to be completed by 1948. Development of the plan began in 1938, but it reflected the evolution of the strategic thinking of the Oberkommando der Marine (Naval High Command) over the two decades following World War I. The plan called for a fleet centered on ten battleships and four aircraft carriers which were intended to battle the Royal Navy. This force would be supplemented with numerous long-range cruisers that would attack British shipping. A relatively small force of U-boats was also stipulated"


Hitler threatening total annihilation m- The Reichstag Speech

Hitler massing weapons and armaments

The German rearmament was an era of rearmament in Germany during the interwar period (1918-1939), in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. It began as soon as the treaty was signed, on a small, secret, and informal basis but it was massively expanded after the Nazi Party came to power in 1933.

Thing is, Britain and France knew that Germany would approach Poland to work out the taking back of those German areas. Knowing this they promised Poland they would come to its aid and that they should not give an inch to Germany. They did this to make Germany have to invade so that they could have their war because it was England and France who wanted war, not Germany.

Hitler peacefully got back German lands two or three times at that point already, and there is no reason to believe that he didn't want to also do it peacefully with Poland as well.

Yes, I am sure Czechoslovakia was ecstatic when Germany marched into Prague.

[DIREALBOSS]

I think you'll find that you're arguing with me for no reason. Britain fuarked up both WWI and WWII with its decisions, thus the reason it went from superpower to cuck status. Niall Ferguson documents this vividly in his works on the death of the Western world and civilisation, beginning in 1918.

What Hitler said, and what Nazi Germany actually did, were often not the same thing.

Germany would not have destroyed Britain easily. Britain actually matched Germany in terms of firepower on land and air, and their naval fleet would have absolutely rekt the Kriegsmarine. Hitler was an army man, a hardened soldier, and didn't give a chit about the navy. The Luftwaffe were hectic - but Britain over estimated them.

If you actually read about Britain's haphazard military decisions, and their hesitance to do what was necessary and what was right - you'll see how badly they consistenly fuarked up throughout the war, even at times when they should have rekt the Axis.

It wasn't until their spies cracked Germany's codes, and Germany made the fatal decision of going to war with the USSR, that enabled the Allies (with the help of the US) to win. Until then, it was pretty certain that Germany was actually going to win the war.

Hitler could have captured or killed 300,000 English and French troops at Dunkirk but he let them go, against the protests of his generals. Hitler offered England peace many times and an end to the war, even as Germany was curb stomping everyone. Hitler did not want to conquerer any new lands in the west, not even close.

[SeymourCake]

Do you honestly think Fascist Germany posed no threat to anyone if they just handed Poland over? Not to mention they would have still had to been okay with letting an ally get invaded and fuked up. Not sure why letting an ally fall would be an option. Last I heard England and Britain won, an evil dictator and his ideology were crushed, and we are remembered as the good guys.

You fell for allied/Jew propaganda. You are a good goy.

[Lawlstud]

[QUOTE=SeymourCake;1451491373]You fell for allied/Jew propaganda. You are a good goy.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/GQL

So Hitler wasn't the bad guy? We weren't the good guys?

I legit didn't know people who believed in all the jewish conspiracies existed until I joined the misc.

But naturally I am sure you can prove there is a global jewish conspiracy pulling all the strings of all the Governments, and that Germany was poor lil dindu nuffin and all the allies were jewish agents acting on behalf of their jewish overlords.

I am prob the misinformed sheep right?

Lol.

Hitler could have captured or killed 300,000 English and French troops at Dunkirk but he let them go, against the protests of his generals. Hitler offered England peace many times and an end to the war, even as Germany was curb stomping everyone. Hitler did not want to conquerer any new lands in the west, not even close.

"Among other things, it entailed the creation of a pan-German racial state structured according to Nazi ideology to ensure the supremacy of an Aryan-Nordic master race, massive territorial expansion into Eastern Europe through its colonization with German settlers, the physical annihilation of the Jews and others considered to be "unworthy of life", and the extermination, expulsion, or enslavement of most of the Slavic peoples and others regarded as "racially inferior".Nazi Germany’s desire for aggressive territorial expansionism was one of the most important causes of World War II."

"Look we want to take all the lands, invade your allies, and some other sketchy chit just let us have our way and everything will be cool bro"

[SeymourCake]

Do you honestly think Fascist Germany posed no threat to anyone if they just handed Poland over? Not to mention they would have still had to been okay with letting an ally get invaded and fuked up. Not sure why letting an ally fall would be an option. Last I heard England and Britain won, an evil dictator and his ideology were crushed, and we are remembered as the good guys.

[QUOTE=Lawlstud;1451491643]

You fell for allied/Jew propaganda. You are a good goy.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/GQL

So Hitler wasn't the bad guy? We weren't the good guys?

I legit didn't know people who believed in all the jewish conspiracies existed until I joined the misc.

But naturally I am sure you can prove there is a global jewish conspiracy pulling all the strings of all the Governments, and that Germany was poor lil dindu nuffin and all the allies were jewish agents acting on behalf of their jewish overlords.

I am prob the misinformed sheep right?

Lol.

I would recommend reading The Elders of Zion for start. Here's an audiobook you can listen to while you debate with those who chose not to be goyim.



The choice is yours, goyim. Either awake from your deception, or stay goyim.

[DIREALBOSS]

Well you know I can post sources and quotes that proves my arguement and refutes your sources and quotes. You will say that my sources are wrong and I will say the same to you.

So what it comes down to for anyone watching is what version of events make more sense?

"Historians assert that Hitler was determined to invade Poland. However, had this been his intention, he could have instructed the Danzig senate to pass a resolution abolishing League of Nations jurisdiction and returning the city to the Reich�s sovereignty. This would have provoked the Polish military response Beck warned of, and Germany could then intervene with her own army in order to defend the Danzig population�s right to self-determination. Given the sensitive issue of democratic principles, and the fact that Poland was striking the first blow, it would then have been difficult for Britain to justify support for Poland under the provisions of the guarantee"

"the verdict of General Georg Thomas, chief of the Armed Forces Armaments Staff, �Germany went to war with completely insufficient economic preparations.... The enormous economic preparations that would have been necessary for a new world war were practically not even implemented."117�

"The American ambassador in Paris, William Bullitt, informed the French government during the summer that if England and France did not come to Poland�s aid in the event of a German attack, then they could expect no assistance from Washington in a general European war. They could on the other hand, reckon with the �full support� of the USA if they declared war on Germany on Poland�s behalf.226 The former French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet later wrote that Bullitt �urged France to take a strong stand against Hitler. I am convinced also that he persuaded Daladier that Roosevelt would intervene (in the war) if he saw that France and England were in danger. . . . Bullitt in 1939 did everything he could to make France enter the war."227 Congressman Fish concluded, �If Roosevelt had refrained from meddling in the European situation by encouraging England and France to believe that we would fight their battles, they would have reached an agreement by peaceful means to settle the Danzig issue . . . (and) avoided the disastrous war."228�

�October 6, 1939, Hitler addressed the Reichstag, asking for a peace conference. Chamberlain himself admitted in his diary that the F�hrer presented some �very attractive proposals."232 Roosevelt however, pressured the British not to allow a �second Munich.�

"In Warsaw, Ribbentrop�s staff compiled the pre-war diplomatic correspondence between Warsaw and its missions in Washington, London, and Paris. The V�lkischer Beobachter published the content on October 27. Its editor summarized, �The Polish documents prove that Roosevelt�s diplomacy bears a major, if not the greatest measure of responsibility for the outbreak of the English war."238 One letter for example, was from the Polish general staff to Beck. It quoted the American military attach�, Commander Gade, as promising Poland 1,000 airplanes �as soon as the war begins.� The Polish staff officer described Gade as �a man who enjoys the confidence of Roosevelt and is a personal friend of his. . . . He is very unfriendly towards Germany. Personally he is very wealthy."239�

[DIREALBOSS]

Lol @ Czechoslovakia. That disaster of a "country" was falling apart all on its own and would have become a center for the Soviet Union or another enemy to jump into Germany.

How many bullets were fired when Nazi Germany marched into Prague?

[Lawlstud]

[QUOTE=SeymourCake;1451492123]

I would recommend reading The Elders of Zion for start. Here's an audiobook you can listen to while you debate with those who chose not to be goyim.

[video=youtube;Ig5sTehZqZA]http://www.youtube.com/ stay goyim.

This sounds like a batchit insane anti-jew propaganda piece. I am assuming this is suppose to be some jewish handbook? Is there any proof this is real and not a fabrication?

Not to mention, other than text, there would still have to be people carrying out these insane plans, none of them were every brought to light?

This legit reads like a villians handbook from a disney movie in the most uncreative of fashions. "Take over the world by starting world wars and running countries into the ground to the point they want us to take over"

Aight. Jews must have set up Franz Ferdinand and forced Germanys aggressive land expansion.

[Boerdeur]

[SeymourCake]

This sounds like a batchit insane anti-jew propaganda piece. I am assuming this is suppose to be some jewish handbook? Is there any proof this is real and not a fabrication?

Not to mention, other than text, there would still have to be people carrying out these insane plans, none of them were every brought to light?

This legit reads like a villians handbook from a disney movie in the most uncreative of fashions. "Take over the world by starting world wars and running countries into the ground to the point they want us to take over"

Aight. Jews must have set up Franz Ferdinand and forced Germanys aggressive land expansion.

It’s worthwhile summarizing the main figures in the Jewish power structure, as of 1912. Herzl died young in 1904, so he was out of the picture. But a “mere handful” of others came to dominate the movement, and the American scene:

Oscar Straus (age 62), German-born, first Jewish cabinet member under T. Roosevelt, and later ambassador to the Ottoman Empire under Taft.
Jacob Schiff (65), head of the Kuhn, Loeb banking firm.
Louis Marshall (56), borderline Zionist, founder of the AJC.
The Warburg brothers: Paul (44) and Felix (41), German-born bankers. A third brother, Max, stayed in Germany (until 1938).
Henry Morgenthau, Sr. (56), German-born lawyer, father of the even more influential Henry, Jr.
Louis Brandeis (56), lawyer, strongly Zionist.
Samuel Untermyer (54), lawyer.
Bernard Baruch (42), Wall Street financier.
Stephen Wise (40), Austrian-born rabbi and fervent Zionist.
Richard Gottheil (50), British-born rabbi and Zionist.

But perhaps the most significant of all was Bernard Baruch. A millionaire before he was 30, Baruch catapulted out of nowhere, under obscure conditions, to become a leading influence in the Wilson administration. Already in 1915, in the early years of the European war, he was convinced that America would be involved. In Congressional testimony of February 1920, Baruch stated that, in 1915, he “had been very much disturbed by the unprepared condition of this country.” “I had been thinking about it very seriously, and I thought we would be drawn into the war. … I thought a war was coming long before it did.” Through some still-mysterious process, Baruch was named to the Council of National Defense in early 1916. He then came to control a particular subcommittee, the War Industries Board (WIB), which had extraordinary wartime powers. Baruch single-handedly ran it throughout the war years. His testimony before Sen. Albert Jefferis (R-Neb.) summarizes his role:

AJ: “In what lines did this board of 10 have the powers that you mention?
BB: “We had the power of priority, which was the greatest power in the war.”
AJ: “In other words, you determined what everybody could have?”
BB: “Exactly; there is no question about that. I assumed that responsibility, sir, and that final determination rested within me.”
AJ: “What?”
BB: “That final determination, as the President said, rested within me; the determination of whether the Army or Navy should have it rested with me; the determination of whether the Railroad Administration could have it, or the Allies, or whether General Allenby should have locomotives, or whether they should be used in Russia, or used in France.”
AJ: “You had considerable power?”
BB: “Indeed I did, sir.” …

AJ: “And all those different lines, really, ultimately, centered in you, so far as power was concerned?”
BB: “Yes, sir, it did. I probably had more power than perhaps any other man did in the war; doubtless that is true.”

Source: War Expenditures: Parts 1 to 13. US Government Printing Office (1921: 1814, 1816).


Winston Churchill, British statesman, and Bernard Baruch, financier, converse in the back seat of a car in front of Baruch's home.


"This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the19 th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." - Winston Churchill writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald (February 1920)

Source:

"I am, of course, a Zionist, and have been ever since the Balfour Declaration." - Churchill quoted in The Official Churchill in One Volume, N.Y. Times (Nov. 6, 1991) by Herbert Mitgang

Balfour Declaration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

As an active Zionist and close friend of Chaim Weizmann, Walter Rothschild worked to formulate the draft declaration for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. On 2 November 1917 he received a letter from the British foreign secretary, Arthur Balfour, addressed to his London home at 148 Piccadilly. In this letter the British government declared its support for the establishment in Palestine of "a national home for the Jewish people". This letter became known as the Balfour Declaration.

Guess what happened shortly after World War II? That's right, the Jewish State of Israel is established in Palestine after being approved by the UN on May 1948.



Notice the areas that refused to recognize Israel as a legitimate state? Notice how most of the conflict that takes place in current events are occurring in those areas? I wonder who could be behind this?

[mpomerle]

First Picture is a wolf . . . . not a coyote....

[The_Albatross]

Our chocolate lab killed a coyote in our back yard. So I would go with the GSD.

[DIREALBOSS]

[A0wner21]

wtf

[DIREALBOSS]

wtf

He likes being face ****ed until he blacks out

[SkullCore]

Why am I not surprised

[Jarlie]

misc at it again.

[quadfecta]

[bigdogfarmhand]

Or you guys can go take a trip to mordor