Alernatives to Kill it and Full as F**k

[sebbarfield]

Looking for alternatives to Rich Pianas Kill It and Full as F**k? currently stack the two as I love the pump from full as f**k anything similar?

[Partyrocking]

What are you looking for in terms of caffeine/stimulants?

For pumps, i'd look at
Hemavol 2 Max
Carbon Prep
White Pipes

[burntreality]

Plenty of Pump Pres out there

Some of my favorites

Carbon Prep
PES High Volume
Cellucor NO3 Chrome
Conqu3r Unleashed Stim Free
BPI Pump HD

All of them stack great with the stimmed pre of your choice to.

[Misctake7]

Stimmed Pre's:
BPI 1MR
Pre Kaged
Cutler Legend Pro
Steed Edge
Mesomorph

Pump pre's:
BPI Pump-HD
iForce Hemavol
SAN Megatron

[eatyourspinach]

Komodo Vaskular

[blokpost]

For stim-free pre comparison you could check my thread.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=blokk+stim

BPI Pump-hd, pes high volume, man pump powder & san Megatron are currently my favorites.

[robert5891]

For stimmed pre's look at these:

iForce Max Out
Controlled Labs White Rapids
APS Mesomorph
Blue Star PPK

For non-stim pump pre's to stack with stimmed pre's, look into:

iForce Hemavo2 Max
Controlled Labs White Pipes
SAN Megatron
Conqu3r Unleashed Stim-Free

[AfroPope]

Why are you looking for alternatives if you love those?

Just curious.

[allieninja]

Thank you to all the Megatron supporters in here

Still love OG Hemavol for pumps as well.

[lucia316]

Going to depend on what you want out of your pre.

Caffeine is what primarily drives energy, so if that's what you're after, straight caffeine tabs or coffee are great.

If you're looking for pumps:
Hemavol + White rapids
Pump Powder
High Volume

If you're looking for focus:
Stuff with nootropics is where you'll want to look. MAN Noopump was a fun little number.

Overall my personal, current favs:
Maxout + Hemavol or White Rapids + Hemavol
Pump Powder + Game Day
Game Day + Hemavol
White Rapids + Pump Powder (Lemonade + Bombsicle is pretty tasty combo)

[compan]

Both stim and non-stim there are so many options

Stim:
Pre-Kaged - comparable caffeine between it and Kill It per scoop, great well-rounded profile with energy/pumps/ergos
Max Out - higher stim (400mg caffeine), great pump (KNO3) and focus in just one scoop.
Steel Edge - higher stim (350mg caffeine, 50mg of it 'slower release'), carbs and great pump with some ergos.

Non-stim:
Hemavol - great OG product that has been a leader in the category for years
Hemavo2 - 1g KNO3/3g Hydromax, great focus
Megatron - great well rounded non-stim
White Pipes - straight forward pump. 50 scoops per tub, makes it easy to stack with stim pres. 2 scoops + caffeine would be great as well.

[JayLS1-327]

Komodo Vaskular

Favorite non stim right now. Look at prep by Layne Norton too.

[VO2Maxima]

Would recommend checking out PEScience High Volume: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ph...gh-volume.html

Same level of L-citrulline and agmatine as Piana's pump product (4g and 1g respectively), and you still get taurine and glycerol (HV uses HydroMAX, which is 65% glycerol and more concentrated than GMS), but also adds 2g argnine nitrate. Nitrates tend to give good results for pump, don't think you'll be disappointed.

[RaginAzN]

All you need is 2 scoops of White Rapids (1 full servings) and you're set, no need to stack. If you want less caffeine you could do 1 scoop White Rapids and 1 scoop White Pipes as well.

[sebbarfield]

Why are you looking for alternatives if you love those?

Just curious.

Just seeing whats out there, like to switch up now and again

[sebbarfield]

Going to depend on what you want out of your pre.

Caffeine is what primarily drives energy, so if that's what you're after, straight caffeine tabs or coffee are great.

If you're looking for pumps:
Hemavol + White rapids
Pump Powder
High Volume

If you're looking for focus:
Stuff with nootropics is where you'll want to look. MAN Noopump was a fun little number.

Overall my personal, current favs:
Maxout + Hemavol or White Rapids + Hemavol
Pump Powder + Game Day
Game Day + Hemavol
White Rapids + Pump Powder (Lemonade + Bombsicle is pretty tasty combo)

Has to have focus and a give a great pump (only recently tried pump pre's. I have a pretty high tolerance to caffeine so any high stimmed pres are good

Thanks for the ideas

[faipdeooiad]

Drop me a PM with your details if you want to try APS MESOMORPH

[sebbarfield]

Drop me a PM with your details if you want to try APS MESOMORPH

Dropped you a PM man

[CONTROLLED LABS]

white flood for stim
white pipes for stim free

free samples of both in the link in my signature below

[Athletic Edge]

Thanks for the SteelEdge mentions and we're currently offering free samples- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=171995193

[koi1214]

Has to have focus and a give a great pump (only recently tried pump pre's. I have a pretty high tolerance to caffeine so any high stimmed pres are good

Thanks for the ideas

Since you have a high stim tolerance, DMAA would be great.
Heavy Stim Pre with DMAA are Mesomorph, God of Rage or Dust Extreme.


Preworkout(stims) There are so many to choose from. Neogenix Velocity ULTRA, Iforce Max Out, BPI Sports 1.M.R, Muscle Element's PreCreXS, Alpa Pro Nutrition's VEX, Ergogenix Ergoblast, Core FURY Extreme, MAN Gameday, AEN Steel Edge, CL's White Rapids, Finaflex Stimul8, ANS Ritual, or Myokem Nitramine.

I am using the new PES Alphamine right now

Pre(non stim) you can add a caffeine tablet to any. PES High Volume, IForce Hemavo2, Controlled Labs White Flood, MAN Pump Powder, BPI Pump HD, SAN Megatron, ANS Dilate or Core Nutritional's Core Pump.