RANT: R.I.P. Tyrbolift

[Dominik]

That’s why I like to keep my sets in the 8-12 rep-range. That and it’s also better for hypertrophy.

In that range with good form bench press is perfectly safe.

The problem is there aren't many men benching who can resist the allure of a 1RM which is why I favor dumbbells and machines to build the chest.

And if you're not being spotted then incline DB press for example doesn't start with an eccentric. You should be able to press those DBs off your pecs and if you can't then they're too heavy. Machines (outside of the smith machine) will start from the bottom as well. I think this is safer than lowering a heavy bar.

[GeneralSerpant]

In that range with good form bench press is perfectly safe.

The problem is there aren't many men benching who can resist the allure of a 1RM which is why I favor dumbbells and machines to build the chest.

And if you're not being spotted then incline DB press for example doesn't start with an eccentric. You should be able to press those DBs off your pecs and if you can't then they're too heavy. Machines (outside of the smith machine) will start from the bottom as well. I think this is safer than lowering a heavy bar.

To tell you the truth I like to go lower reps on in line bench just for the weightlifting sport aspect.

[Dominik]

To tell you the truth I like to go lower reps on in line bench just for the weightlifting sport aspect.

If you're in your prime go for it. If you're getting on in years then evaluate risk vs. reward.

My 2 cents is there is definitely a look from heavy lifting that no amount of high reps or mind-muscle sorcery is going to duplicate. In a natty context it's going to spike your T levels like nothing else assuming you're managing stress elsewhere and eating enough but it will also present some issues that you have to manage. 1) you're giving the joints and connective tissue a beating which in turn increases the risk of injury and 2) you're going to tax the CNS and accumulate fatigue.

I'm not a competitive lifter so don't train heavy very often. I find grinding through volume and higher rep PRs extremely rewarding. I'll occasionally do 10x10 "GVT" sets with shorter rest times. Take incline DB where I spend most of my time in the 100-110 range. Last workout was 3 sets of 110 x 12 then 90 x 30. Only a handful of gyms around here have more than 110 and only a few over 130. While I can press them, given I use form that is more like flyes with less emphasis on the triceps extension, I see no reason to go that heavy often. It's a chest exercise and I focus on getting a decent stretch and contraction of the pecs. Regularly chasing big numbers at this stage of my life isn't conducive to staying injury free.

[W8isGR8]

Never been a fan of maxmaxxing

I do fairly regular "1RM" to see where my current levels are but never a true 1RM in strict terms. I'd say I've never really gone past 90-95% more than once or twice in my life. I'm in my mid-40s now and I'm just happy i can just lift with a full ROM and have decent mobility.

I'm not worried much about strength in big lifts dropping as much as i am about preventing damage from old-age related things like falling off something. Thing I used to take for granted like jumping down from the back of a truck or off a chair suddenly seem way more risky.

Things like loaded carries, box jumps, deadlifts, pull-ups, "picking **** up and putting it overhead" all seem to be great for bulletproofing your body for old age

[J.L.C.]

I'm still on that weightlifting time, but I approach with caution. I train heavy and low reps (triples are high reps), but avoid true limits or risks of failing strength lifts (squats, deads).

[Dominik]

Great to hear how you both approach your training these days. Sounds very sensible. Which is ultimately what we're all striving for. Walking that line between making progress/maintaining and avoiding injury.

Speaking of injury...



I realize sh*t happens but it seems like his coach failed him here. Two years off from heavy lifting and only two months back (at a lighter body weight) he gave the green light to him attempting a bench PR, a lift he rarely trained during his 10 years in strongman. From feeling invincible to struggling to wipe your ass.

[J.L.C.]

Oh man!

That's gonna be long recovery

[im2manly]

Haven't done a 1RM in a very long time. Like almost a decade. I usually prefer 3-5 range

[W8isGR8]

I also have come to appreciate adding in concentric heavy movements to bump up volume without negatively affecting recovery. Things like sled pushing/pulling, ski erg, etc. I find it harder to recover from straight bro split bodybuilding as i get older. Feel it more in the joints and tendons from too much eccentric work.

[J.L.C.]

I also have come to appreciate adding in concentric heavy movements to bump up volume without negatively affecting recovery. Things like sled pushing/pulling, ski erg, etc. I find it harder to recover from straight bro split bodybuilding as i get older. Feel it more in the joints and tendons from too much eccentric work.

Oly FTW!

[W8isGR8]

Oly FTW!

I enjoy throwing in some cleans but that's about it. 90% of my workouts are still basic bodybuilding lifts:
Squats
Deads
Pullups
Dips
DB bench
Hammer curls
Skull crushers
Pullovers

[J.L.C.]

I enjoy throwing in some cleans but that's about it. 90% of my workouts are still basic bodybuilding lifts:
Squats
Deads
Pullups
Dips
DB bench
Hammer curls
Skull crushers
Pullovers

I stick to basic/essential stuff too:

C&J
Snatch
Front/Back squats
Snatch/Clean pulls
Snatch/Clean deads
Pushpress
Pullups
Box jumps

[Orlando1234977]

Also Orlando did you see bill mckenzie on bill Maher talking about his book thrashing on bitcoin? He called it a ponzu scheme. Can you believe that?

Gambling can be fun, but I think your efforts will be better served evaluating and assessing your structure and holdings of international equities to assure you're properly positioned to capture and realize your fair share of risk adjusted returns over the next decade.

[GeneralSerpant]

Gambling can be fun, but I think your efforts will be better served evaluating and assessing your structure and holdings of international equities to assure you're properly positioned to capture and realize your fair share of risk adjusted returns over the next decade.

Actually I'm not very into gambling.

[W8isGR8]

Trying a new plan out, which is a play on full body 3x a week (MWF):

Lower heavy/Upper light
Upper Heavy/Lower light
Lower heavy/Upper light

Then the next week would be

Upper Heavy/Lower light
Lower heavy/Upper light
Upper Heavy/Lower light


I tried the ULU LUL split years ago and liked it because it hit everything 3x in 2 weeks. I tend to respond better to higher frequency/volume, and do poorly on HIT or training real heavy to failure a lot.

[GeneralSerpant]

Trying a new plan out, which is a play on full body 3x a week (MWF):

Lower heavy/Upper light
Upper Heavy/Lower light
Lower heavy/Upper light

Then the next week would be

Upper Heavy/Lower light
Lower heavy/Upper light
Upper Heavy/Lower light


I tried the ULU LUL split years ago and liked it because it hit everything 3x in 2 weeks. I tend to respond better to higher frequency/volume, and do poorly on HIT or training real heavy to failure a lot.

I usually just pick a couple of muscle areas and work those with a salad of exercises.

I want to start a standard of 50 pull-ups a day. I did 100 today in 18 minutes.

[Orlando1234977]

Actually I'm not very into gambling.

That's what everyone says until you win a couple hands and the drink girl asks where you're from.

Green Bay picked up the 10,000 yard passer from Penn State.

+ FWIW:
Safety Bar Squat
Barbell Bench Press
Barbell Row
Seated Barbell Press
Barbell Curl
Skull Crusher
Kreuzheben

[de_barathrum]

I enjoy throwing in some cleans but that's about it. 90% of my workouts are still basic bodybuilding lifts:
Squats
Deads
Pullups
Dips
DB bench
Hammer curls
Skull crushers
Pullovers

What, no kickbacks? How else are you achieving intensity??

[de_barathrum]

Agreed with theme of the last few posts. Training is now much more focused on rehab/injury prevention as I've gotten older. I probably spend just as much time on stretching and mobility work these days as I do on strength training.

Its hard to make progress if you are always injured.

[Dominik]

What, no kickbacks? How else are you achieving intensity??

Lord have mercy. 16 years ago. Feels like yesterday when our resident navy man was mocking Layne Norton. This joint was rolling like a chat room.

[GeneralSerpant]

Renewing subscription with post

[DJAuto]

Renewing subscription with post

Ditto?

[GeneralSerpant]

Ditto?

I was on my phone trying to get to latest post and it's a tiny dot next to "unsubscribe lol"

Good to hear from you.

[DJAuto]

I was on my phone trying to get to latest post and it's a tiny dot next to "unsubscribe lol"

Good to hear from you.

It's been a long time. The forum looks different in many ways...glad to see this thread is still around!

[GeneralSerpant]

It's been a long time. The forum looks different in many ways...glad to see this thread is still around!

You can thank me for that. These other folks though have been putting in an honest effort and I'm not going to discount that.

[W8isGR8]

Lord have mercy. 16 years ago. Feels like yesterday when our resident navy man was mocking Layne Norton. This joint was rolling like a chat room.

Those were the days lol

[J.L.C.]

Those were the days lol

Haha!

Slyng and I were just chatting about the "intensity" days!

So many lulz

[Dominik]

Haha!

Slyng and I were just chatting about the "intensity" days!

So many lulz

He's still at it.

[W8isGR8]

He's still at it.

What a chooch

[GeneralSerpant]

What a chooch

Maybe so but I doubt you’d feel comfortable saying that if you came face to face with him.