Zinc is the only supplement that works

[AmeriSwissBro]

what dosage for lysine?

I take about 6 grams a day. Some in pills, 4 grams in C-fit.

[AmeriSwissBro]

Not trying to be a douche, but have you seen a doc on why this is happening so often?

They were just normal colds and flues other than the pneumonia. Not like I was sick ALL of the time. But it did seem to take a little longer to get over it.

Have not been sick in the 4 years since I started the high C regiment. Just like my twin brother had his heart disease cured by C, our bodies genetically obviously needed more C than others to operate at peak efficiency.

[Ratfish]

yeah red meat every day sounds very healthy

what an ironic post, just don't over do it on zinc and stay at less than 30mg

you have no grasp of human evolution or nutrition SRS

[CarvinTurkey]

ZMA for the load and sleep gains haha

[Juicy-]

Cholesterol is another myth propagated on people. We NEED cholesterol. Our body makes 75% of it that is in our bodies. Why do you think wild animals can eat an all meat and fat diet and never get heart disease? Because they make grams and grams of C a day. Most people are lucky if they get 2% of that a day.

Why? We are no different than any other animal. We just lost our ability to make it about 100,000 years ago. C is really an enzyme made in animals livers. We can't do it.

Lolol those animals that don't get heart disease from eating an all meat diet are carnivores... Their bodies are adapted to eating this way and thus process cholesterol accordingly.

Give a rabbit a high cholesterol diet and see what happens. It's an herbivore. It will start to show signs of heart disease, regardless of vitamin c.

Vitamin C is great but your logic isn't

[xmeandix]

Lol now everyone is going to take high doses of C. It's the new Aztec clay

[AmeriSwissBro]

Lolol those animals that don't get heart disease from eating an all meat diet are carnivores... Their bodies are adapted to eating this way and thus process cholesterol accordingly.

Give a rabbit a high cholesterol diet and see what happens. It's an herbivore. It will start to show signs of heart disease, regardless of vitamin c.

Vitamin C is great but your logic isn't

All I can say is you are wrong. Humans have been meat and fat eaters since the beginning of the human race. It isn't like we all of a sudden decided to start eating meat 100 years ago. Cmon.

[20Mavs11]

brb take a zinc pill and sit ill for 30mins wanting to throw up.


I can't handle it bros.

[Kraken]

This thread went full retard...

[TheWolfieFox]

I'd say get zinc from nuts and natural sources

[someone123]

All I can say is you are wrong. Humans have been meat and fat eaters since the beginning of the human race. It isn't like we all of a sudden decided to start eating meat 100 years ago. Cmon.

lets look at some research
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18997197
"Vitamins E and C in the prevention of cardiovascular disease in men: the Physicians' Health Study II randomized controlled trial."

Conclusion: "in this large, long-term trial of male physicians, neither vitaminE nor vitamin C supplement reduced the risk of major cardiovascular events. These data provide no support for the use of these supplements for the prevention of cardiovascular disease in middle-aged and older men"

2) American Cancer Society website:
"Many studies have shown a connection between eating foods rich in vitamin C, such as fruits and vegetables, and a reduced risk of cancer. On the other hand, evidence indicates that vitamin C supplements do not reduce cancer risk. This suggests that the activity of fruits and vegetables in preventing cancer is due to combination of many vitamins and other phytochemicals and not to vitamin C alone."


3) In general multivitamins haven't clinically shown any benefits EXCEPTION of DEVELOPING COUNTRIES where there is an abundance of nutritional deficiencies

[AmeriSwissBro]

lets look at some research
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18997197
"Vitamins E and C in the prevention of cardiovascular disease in men: the Physicians' Health Study II randomized controlled trial."

Conclusion: "in this large, long-term trial of male physicians, neither vitaminE nor vitamin C supplement reduced the risk of major cardiovascular events. These data provide no support for the use of these supplements for the prevention of cardiovascular disease in middle-aged and older men"

2) American Cancer Society website:
"Many studies have shown a connection between eating foods rich in vitamin C, such as fruits and vegetables, and a reduced risk of cancer. On the other hand, evidence indicates that vitamin C supplements do not reduce cancer risk. This suggests that the activity of fruits and vegetables in preventing cancer is due to combination of many vitamins and other phytochemicals and not to vitamin C alone."


3) In general multivitamins haven't clinically shown any benefits EXCEPTION of DEVELOPING COUNTRIES where there is an abundance of nutritional deficiencies

LOL. I have already stated that the medical industry as a whole is one giant money making scam. The last thing the doctors, pharmacists, drug companies, and hospitals want is something so simple as Vit C fixing so many of the problems they make $billions upon billions treating. Most of those studies are all done and paid for by the very entities making those $billions.

[someone123]

LOL. I have already stated that the medical industry as a whole is one giant money making scam. The last thing the doctors, pharmacists, drug companies, and hospitals want is something so simple as Vit C fixing so many of the problems they make $billions upon billions treating. Most of those studies are all done and paid for by the very entities making those $billions.

They clearly highlight the benefits of vitamins when taken through whole fruits and vegetables, and only highlighting that multivitamins (which is a billion dollar industry) do not work simply on their own in the form of pills. They aren't benefiting by recommending fruits and vegetables over multivitamins. Another thing to note is that that high doses of antioxidants have detrimental oxidative effects.

[ontclone]

I really hope that 25mg of zinc won't kill me lol. I need it to stop my acne, serious. Soon as I'm off zinc i get acne all over no joke

[CestLaVida]

zinc is one of the most dangerous supplements to take, especially zinc picolinate

the absorption is simply too good and it causes an upregulation of metallothionein expression in the enterocytes

that in turn decreases copper absorption and creates a deficiency

copper deficiency will destroy your heart and tendons, among other things

srs

just eat red meat every day and you'll get plenty

Copper deficiency you said?

[AmeriSwissBro]

I really hope that 25mg of zinc won't kill me lol. I need it to stop my acne, serious. Soon as I'm off zinc i get acne all over no joke

Vitamin C makes collagen. Your skin is made out of collagen. A shortage of Vit C in your diet can for sure lead to skin issues.

[RepsForJesuss]

Copper deficiency you said?

true
copper needed too
i have extra

[weightsb4dates]

you forgot test levels thru the roof

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...s/pauling.html

totally reversed his heart disease...thanks for the lulz

interesting article. Particularly the part where he points out that laboratory mice given doses in excess of 1-5 grams of vit. c had a much higher rate of squamous cell carcinomas (Skin cancer). brb prevents heart disease, inturn gets skin cancer. will give this high vitamin c thing a shot and see how i feel because i am awfully lethargic these days. will report in my log on this daily. link in sig for anyone interested in following allong. ordered 500 capsules of 1g vit-c will start taking 2-3 g a day.

[AWillis]

Yes 15. Your body does not store it and it is non toxic, so anything your body doesn't use, it just gets rid of. I find that when I hit 20 grams I start to have diarrhea, which is normal. In fact because C is an anti oxidant, many people use high dose C, as in 5 grams every 15 minutes or so, to do a body cleanse about once a month. Works wonders. And super cheap.

15g a day is not super cheap brah.

[jpmpdt]

Vitamin C makes collagen. Your skin is made out of collagen. A shortage of Vit C in your diet can for sure lead to skin issues.

Hey man with your experience, your brothers and things I've been hearing other people say here, I'm leaning heavily towards supplementing Vitamin C. Do you take this in tablet, chewables, drops, shots, etc? What's most effective? I probably won't start with 15g but thinking about atleast 6 and then increasing

[DeadlyStriker]

This is the problem with a lot of people. They hear stories and just start superdosing everything. Do your own research. If someone says take tons of vitamin C because it worked for me, that doesn't mean you go and start taking 15g too. Educate yourself.

For example, I almost did this with vitamin d3 and zinc. But I took the time to research a little.

That's why I stick to 5000IU a day for d3, and 25mg (or half of a typical 50mg pil) of zinc. Absorption rate is around 50%, so 12.5mg of zinc is 1.5mg above the daily recommended. So it is HIGHLY unlikely to have an effect on copper balance.

So don't just go buy a bottle of zinc and start popping pills. These are typically for people who are quite deficient in these vitamins and minerals. So be weary.

Plus your body and things like size/weight can effect dosages too.

[AmeriSwissBro]

15g a day is not super cheap brah.

1000 mg C pills at CVS cost about $6-7 for a bottle 250. So about 3 cents a pill or .30 cents a day if I take 10 pills.

A dose of C-fit pre workout before working out and the BCAA after working out, for 6 grams of C total, costs about $1.25 a day total for a dose of BOTH products, not just one. But don't forget you are also getting a full pre workout containing the C and Lysine and Proline along with creatin, zinc, niacin, beta alanine, and other things, along with a full BCAA mix also with the Vit C and lysine and proline in it....for $1.5 a day for everything including the pills. Your full dose of C, lysine, proline, preworkout, and BCAA mix.

Pretty cheap to me.

[AmeriSwissBro]

Hey man with your experience, your brothers and things I've been hearing other people say here, I'm leaning heavily towards supplementing Vitamin C. Do you take this in tablet, chewables, drops, shots, etc? What's most effective? I probably won't start with 15g but thinking about atleast 6 and then increasing

I take some in regular pills I buy at CVS, and the other 6-7 grams (3 grams each) in www.c-fitlife.com pre workout and BCAA mix. Each has 3 grams of C in it and 2 grams of lysine. I like their stuff because I am getting the C and lysine basically for free in the pre workout and BCAA mix-which I buy anyway, and they also have the sodium ascorbate type of vit C, which is more easily absorbed then the C you buy in the pills....absorbic acid.

[jpmpdt]

I take some in regular pills I buy at CVS, and the other 6-7 grams (3 grams each) in www.c-fitlife.com pre workout and BCAA mix. Each has 3 grams of C in it and 2 grams of lysine. I like their stuff because I am getting the C and lysine basically for free in the pre workout and BCAA mix-which I buy anyway, and they also have the sodium ascorbate type of vit C, which is more easily absorbed then the C you buy in the pills....absorbic acid.

Awesome, thanks brah. Repped.

I don't understand the hate. If half the studies and experiences show crazy positive effects and half show no effects.. why wouldn't a person of average intelligence just try it and hope for the positive. Brb not spending a few bucks in a month to try Vit C but will buy $10 shots at a club. Just lmao.

[TheWolfieFox]

I heard Vitamin C reverses heart disease and keep it away nomatter what secondary factors come into play?

[Luke753]

Well, when that is the ONLY change I or my brother made? OF course I do.

You don't get it. My brother after his heart attack was on every drug and statin available, and the one artery that didn't have a stent put in still had a blockage that grew by 20% in a year. He felt like crap all the time and was a nervous wreck because his heart always felt funny. Within a couple days of getting on the high C regiment, invented by Nobel prize winner Dr. Linus Pauling, he started feeling better. 4 years later he is alive and well with NO HEART DISEASE. There is no drug or anything known to man that can do that. High Vit C did.

Cool. A few months ago I was reading about Linus Pauling and how he thought the daily intake of Vitamin C should be raised to (correct me if I'm wrong) 3-10g daily. I was reading posts from people on a forum dedicated to Vitamin C. It might have been the Vitamin C Foundation, and some people claimed to take more than 50g of Vitamin C. An extreme dosage, but I might bump up my intake to maybe 8 grams. It's water soluble so anything in excess is extorted and it's half life is 3 hours, so I guess morning and evening would be best.

But, at first, I was taking Vitamin C mostly for acne. I may not have taken enough, but good thing Vitamin C is cheap. I use the NOW brand.

[MrGreenTea]

Jesus christ, do you guys not recognize a shill when you see one?

[Otherways]

ITT: People literally pissing away their money.

[RobElite]

If Vit D makes skin look better then I'll try it out. My skin is always dry and just doesn't look great.

[AmeriSwissBro]

Awesome, thanks brah. Repped.

I don't understand the hate. If half the studies and experiences show crazy positive effects and half show no effects.. why wouldn't a person of average intelligence just try it and hope for the positive. Brb not spending a few bucks in a month to try Vit C but will buy $10 shots at a club. Just lmao.

Believe it or not I see this hate A LOT. It really defies explanation. The people over 40 I talk to are very open to it. I think because they are approaching old age and death, so something like C really strikes home with them.

But for the people under the age of 25 or so? Especially the guys? It is like you are telling them to go kill their dog. Really an interesting study in human behavior.