Your take on the Gorilla being shot at Cincinnati zoo

[Mark1T]

There was a guy on CNN saying if the family was white there would not be an investigation, which to me is f'cking retarded (the investigation I mean). But now the guy is making it about race....

The kid got away from the mother big f'cking deal, that doesn't make her a criminal, bad parenting yes, but enough for her and her family to be f'cking investigated?? holy f'cking sh!t, we truly are in a world of sh!t....

Total batsh$t crazy.

Don't know if you're a parent or not, but being the father of 3, I'd have to know a lot more facts to even think about that being the case. Many parents are $hitbags when it comes to their kids, but most are not. Kids can flee from your sight in seconds, despite nearly constant oversight of their whereabouts. I guess I was lucky, but I know many good parents that have had their kids scare the crap out of them by walking away at a store, mall or park, etc... It usually turns out with no incident, but we only hear about the bad incidents in media.

Not a parent. But, what are the odds of a kid in a zoo with dozens and dozens of other cages or animal areas, being dropped in the gorilla pit?

I think these should be investigated (I am sure they are) and decisions made on a case-by-case basis.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

It's a f'cking gorilla, Gorilla VS 3 year old = No brainer, killed the f'cking gorilla. IMO they took too long to kill the damn thing, the first time he dragged the boy he could have hit his head on the pavements and cracked it open.

These f'cking people are like "Wait he has the kid, but he is not doing anything, lets see if he gets aggressive with him first, then we decide......news flash people the first time he would have gotten aggressive he would/could have ripped the kids limbs within seconds....why even chance it?

We live in a f'cking backwards world people, backwards........

This ^^ as soon as they could have they should have taken the shot.

It was the right decision, just very sad. I've seen a Silverback up close while at the Omaha zoo. Truly a majestic creature. I also don't think it intended on harming the kid, looked more like it was treating him like a baby Gorilla. I'm sure the zoo keeper feels terrible but he had to make a split second decision.
On a side note, if you ever visit Omaha, you owe it to yourself to visit their zoo. Probably one of the best in the country.

Correction... it's the number one zoo in the WORLD. Seriously, it's the best rated world wide, and that was before the Elephant house was completed. I'm hoping to get there sometime this summer, oddly it's been a couple years since we've been. When the kids were little we had a membership and went all the time. You really need more than a day to do the zoo justice btw.

Oh, and the main contributor for the Ape house is a customer of ours. If you saw him you'd think he was a street person. Guy is a commodity investor and is worth big-big bucks. He is also the major contributor to the Ashfall Park in Nebraska which is also a place you need to see.

[dbx]

Not a parent. But, what are the odds of a kid in a zoo with dozens and dozens of other cages or animal areas, being dropped in the gorilla pit?

That's just it, I'm not sure its clear how the kid got in there (dropped in, climbed in, etc..)

I think these should be investigated (I am sure they are) and decisions made on a case-by-case basis.

Agreed.

Of many places I've been, I've wondered how many tourists (just because of human nature) got killed at some of them. Simple stuff....like the Space Needle in Seattle. I was there twice in 2002 and brought my oldest son with me the 2nd time. It seemed "scarily" easy for someone to trip/fall off when out on the top walkway. Well, same son was on business there just last month and he told me that it's closed off to even go out there now. Statue of Liberty....same thing. When I was a kid the "arm" (torch) was already closed off, and the crown was as high as they'd let people go.

Tourists go parasailing. The rope could break. Winds can shift. Sharks can happen to be in the water. Do people NOT realize this?
Tourists like helicopter rides. Do they not realize that a motor is a motor? And that a chopper engines can have problems just like a car?
Airplanes. Ditto.........

My point is that people just do stupid things, just as normal events can have consequences. Sometimes it IS because of poorly thought out public safety concerns and/or negligence, but sometimes it's just because people are stupid. You can't "fool-proof" everything, unless.........we're talking about maximum security prisons.

[Mark1T]

^^Right. I just know that if I were a parent and had a little kid/kids, that when we were in front of a pit of wild animals, I would have my kids on a leash or in my arms.

[dbx]

^^Right. I just know that if I were a parent and had a little kid/kids, that when we were in front of a pit of wild animals, I would have my kids on a leash or in my arms.

Hey, most of us never "stop" being parents. The son I just referred to is on a plane at this moment, flying to Tampico, Mexico on business. He's 27 now, but I can't tell you how much I discussed him "upping" his awareness skills when he gets there (a lot less street savvy that I was at his age). It's company policy for him to HAVE to be escorted by another company rep while in Mexico, but that's not totally comforting to me. So-Tex can confirm this, as we discussed this a few days ago. Our kids will always be our kids, and most of us try hard to make sure they survive this world.

[Karl_Hungus]

Don't know if you're a parent or not, but being the father of 3, I'd have to know a lot more facts to even think about that being the case.

I agree with this. Did the kid just get away from the mother during a split second when she was attending to another kid? Or did she put the kid on top of the 3-foot wall so that he could sit there and get a better look at the gorilla? Was the kid climbing on the fence and the mother ignoring it? The kid already said several times that he wanted to go over the fence and into the water, so perhaps the parent should have paid closer attention? The fact is, we don't know the circumstances surrounding this, so it is really difficult to partition blame.

It was the right decision, just very sad. I've seen a Silverback up close while at the Omaha zoo. Truly a majestic creature. I also don't think it intended on harming the kid, looked more like it was treating him like a baby Gorilla. I'm sure the zoo keeper feels terrible but he had to make a split second decision.
On a side note, if you ever visit Omaha, you owe it to yourself to visit their zoo. Probably one of the best in the country.

Gorillas are surprisingly unaggressive. A former colleague of mine used to study them in Rwanda. She got too close to a silverback and encroached on his territory (which they will defend). The silverback charged her, knocked her to the ground, held her down and stared at her face for several seconds. Once convinced she got the message, the gorilla let her go. He could have easily killed her, and if that were a chimpanzee, she would probably be dead or severely disfigured right now.

[Mark1T]

Gorillas are surprisingly unaggressive. A former colleague of mine used to study them in Rwanda. She got too close to a silverback and encroached on his territory (which they will defend). The silverback charged her, knocked her to the ground, held her down and stared at her face for several seconds. Once convinced she got the message, the gorilla let her go. He could have easily killed her, and if that were a chimpanzee, she would probably be dead or severely disfigured right now.

I agree with that, Karl. My concern in the video was that the gorilla was dragging the kid basically violently through the water and the kid could have drowned. The gorilla doesn't know if the kid is really safe. I also wonder if some characteristics or behaviors of gorillas can change once in a confined space and not in their normal habitat.

[dbx]

... He could have easily killed her, and if that were a chimpanzee, she would probably be dead or severely disfigured right now.

Yep. People forget how strong and vicious these animals can be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3DeJjHAz8I

I don't know about gorilla's aggressiveness vs chimps/orang, but I mentioned earlier about a kid that this happened to, and yes, the gorilla actually protected the child. It's just an unknown.....and I know you know that too.

[Karl_Hungus]

I agree with that, Karl. My concern in the video was that the gorilla was dragging the kid basically violently through the water and the kid could have drowned. The gorilla doesn't know if the kid is really safe. I also wonder if some characteristics or behaviors of gorillas can change once in a confined space and not in their normal habitat.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that they just wait it out and see what happens. The gorilla was so strong that he could have killed the kid without even meaning to do it. They had to shoot him.

[dbx]

I believe the zoo had no choice to but to kill the animal

Opening post.....now on page 3.

Solid consensus that the beast had to be eliminated.

[thomashenry]

I believe the zoo had no choice to but to kill the animal. They couldn't risk using a dart to sedate him because there would have been a delay in the drug knocking the animal out so that was just too unpredictable. On the other hand the zoo should be in some hot water for not having a secure enough viewing area. The parents also bear a good deal of responsibility not keeping track of their kid. Pretty crazy story...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...o-save-n582706

Human Life is more important, Zoo officials were forced to shoot the ape to protect the kid. Many animal experts have agreed that the ape could have and probably would have killed the child at any moment -- intentionally or unintentionally -- leaving the zoo with no choice.

The child's life is worth more than the gorilla's, and it isn't even close. I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one child. If Some feel Animals are more important than people. If the death of an ape makes you sad, the slaughter of children ought to cause an overwhelming, crippling grief deep inside your soul. If you feel that way more for the ape than the kids, you are a disturbed person and I pity you. If you think that the life of an ape should take precedence over a child, then you are a truly monstrous person and my pity for you is only matched by my disgust at your wicked and depraved way of thinking.........This is not meant to be directed to you just a response

[Mark1T]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that they just wait it out and see what happens. The gorilla was so strong that he could have killed the kid without even meaning to do it. They had to shoot him.

Oh, of course. I knew you weren't suggesting that. I was just continuing the conversation. Shame they had to kill it, but had to.

[D-Nutt]

For comparison here is the top of a ride at a theme park that I would bring my daughter. A young child is more than capable of climbing over the fence. But that's why you hold a young child's hand.

[bustasinclair]

I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one child. If Some feel Animals are more important than people. If the death of an ape makes you sad, the slaughter of children ought to cause an overwhelming, crippling grief deep inside your soul. If you feel that way more for the ape than the kids, you are a disturbed person and I pity you. If you think that the life of an ape should take precedence over a child, then you are a truly monstrous person and my pity for you is only matched by my disgust at your wicked and depraved way of thinking.........This is not meant to be directed to you just a response

So, given the bolded statement, are we to take away from your post that this isn't a sad event for you? You always type like you're a man of god....last I checked, a gorilla is one of god's creatures.

What did the gorilla do wrong? Oh, that's right, he was born. Yes, I agree, the gorilla had to be put down, but it is a sad event and I will grieve for the gorilla. I'm wicked and depraved that way, ya know.

[kimm4]

but I mentioned earlier about a kid that this happened to, and yes, the gorilla actually protected the child.

It was a female gorilla and she protected the child in the same way she would protect her own. That's what mommas do.

[NorwichGrad]

Gorilla to boy:

“Kid, GTFO before you get me shot!”

[thomashenry]

So, given the bolded statement, are we to take away from your post that this isn't a sad event for you? You always type like you're a man of god....last I checked, a gorilla is one of god's creatures.

What did the gorilla do wrong? Oh, that's right, he was born. Yes, I agree, the gorilla had to be put down, but it is a sad event and I will grieve for the gorilla. I'm wicked and depraved that way, ya know.

Nope, I think it was a very Tragic incident that could have been avoided, I love animals, My Emphasis is that Humans are worth more, significantly more than Animals, not looking for an argument, just made a statement.

[Mobraelite]

not gonna lie but when the gorilla dragged the kid into hiding I was expecting a new thread to appear stating

" some kid just fell down wall into my enclosure and I'm dragging him in the water .. wut do misc? "

[bodyhard]

I wonder how all these conversations would have went if they had a graphic video of the gorilla killing the boy?

[Plateauplower]

I wonder how all these conversations would have went if they had a graphic video of the gorilla killing the boy?

I think people would be more angry at the gorilla, and the zoo for not shooting it sooner....

Kids can and do get away from parents. I still put a majority of the blame on the parents. Situational awareness is necessary when taking young kids places where there are potential dangers. There is not a single parking lot I cross without holding my 3 & 4 YOs hands, they wear life jackets when we are on boats or near water, etc.

They listen very well whenever we are in a public setting because they know that's what they have to do and have always done. They can sometimes be little chits at home, and have a lot more freedom in certain settings but consistent boundaries and expectations from a parenting perspective does wonders for how kids act and what they try to do in situations like that. Have never even spanked my kids, time outs and loss of privileges is the only discipline. Kids need to be trained from a very early age continuously about the potential dangers in various situations....That's how they make it to adults.

Just heard on the radio the next few months is the deadliest hundred days for teens. Summer vacation, texting & driving, booze, drugs etc. Have to teach kids this stuff, its not innate..

[bodyhard]

I think people would be more angry at the gorilla, and the zoo for not shooting it sooner....

Kids can and do get away from parents. I still put a majority of the blame on the parents. Situational awareness is necessary when taking young kids places where there are potential dangers. There is not a single parking lot I cross without holding my 3 & 4 YOs hands, they wear life jackets when we are on boats or near water, etc.

They listen very well whenever we are in a public setting because they know that's what they have to do and have always done. They can sometimes be little chits at home, and have a lot more freedom in certain settings but consistent boundaries and expectations from a parenting perspective does wonders for how kids act and what they try to do in situations like that. Have never even spanked my kids, time outs and loss of privileges is the only discipline. Kids need to be trained from a very early age continuously about the potential dangers in various situations....That's how they make it to adults.

Just heard on the radio the next few months is the deadliest hundred days for teens. Summer vacation, texting & driving, booze, drugs etc. Have to teach kids this stuff, its not innate..

Trust me I know, I had 5 kids all 1.5 years apart in age. I watched them like a hawk. Now I have 7 grandchildren and when I watch them, trust me, they don't get out of my site. I am over protective of them.

[thomashenry]

Just no

[Plateauplower]

Trust me I know, I had 5 kids all 1.5 years apart in age. I watched them like a hawk. Now I have 7 grandchildren and when I watch them, trust me, they don't get out of my site. I am over protective of them.

two at 1.5 years apart is PLENTY for me. I guess with 5, the older ones would be old enough to be pretty helpful when the youngest was in that crazy 1.5-2.5 stage where they are mobile but have zero idea what they should or shouldn't be doing....

[bodyhard]

Just no

I was replying to your lengthy post, that was just here a second ago, not sure why you deleted it (why do people do that, stick to what you f'cking believe in man)

Anyway here is my response to your original post.

To be quite honest with you, I am an animal lover as well, but I am not about to grieve for a f’cking gorilla. Do I feel bad for him? Yeah I guess, but not even remotely close to have me give a second thought if he should have been killed or not, not even a blink of an eye thought. You put a baby in harm’s way with a person and I am ready to kill them let alone a f’king gorilla.

However I do respect other people’s opinion and their reasoning for feeling sorry for the gorilla and even thinking of other ways it could have been handled, that is their right. I am not here to judge them, but I am just not one of those people. Once the kid fell in, they should have shot him once a person with a rifle was at the scene.

[Xscoot]

If Some feel Animals are more important than people. If the death of an ape makes you sad, the slaughter of children ought to cause an overwhelming, crippling grief deep inside your soul. If you feel that way more for the ape than the kids, you are a disturbed person and I pity you. If you think that the life of an ape should take precedence over a child, then you are a truly monstrous person and my pity for you is only matched by my disgust at your wicked and depraved way of thinking........

Is this according to Scripture or just arbitrary judgements?

[NorwichGrad]

I love animals. I have 11 chickens, 3 cats, a dog, an Oscar fish, and 2 goats.

The zoo had no choice.. I feel bad for the gorilla.


But you know what makes my head shake? Some Blacks actually played the race card over the shooting of the gorilla.




I wonder if some White folks would have cried racism if the gorilla was albino and the kid was Black.







Oh, BTW. The kid that fell in the gorilla cage… He WAS NOT WHITE.. Sheeeesh..

[le0p]

Human Life is more important, Zoo officials were forced to shoot the ape to protect the kid. Many animal experts have agreed that the ape could have and probably would have killed the child at any moment -- intentionally or unintentionally -- leaving the zoo with no choice.

The child's life is worth more than the gorilla's, and it isn't even close. I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one child. If Some feel Animals are more important than people. If the death of an ape makes you sad, the slaughter of children ought to cause an overwhelming, crippling grief deep inside your soul. If you feel that way more for the ape than the kids, you are a disturbed person and I pity you. If you think that the life of an ape should take precedence over a child, then you are a truly monstrous person and my pity for you is only matched by my disgust at your wicked and depraved way of thinking.........This is not meant to be directed to you just a response

Why is that exactly? Don't get me wrong, I understand why the parents of that child think so, but why should I? Are we running out of people? We definitely are running out of gorillas.

[Partyrocking]

I wonder how all these conversations would have went if they had a graphic video of the gorilla killing the boy?

My opinion would still be the same; parents should watch their kids more closely and zoos should do a better job protecting their own animals so they don't have to get shot. I wouldn't blame the gorilla. It's a gorilla.

[Corbi]

This ^^ as soon as they could have they should have taken the shot.



Correction... it's the number one zoo in the WORLD. Seriously, it's the best rated world wide, and that was before the Elephant house was completed. I'm hoping to get there sometime this summer, oddly it's been a couple years since we've been. When the kids were little we had a membership and went all the time. You really need more than a day to do the zoo justice btw.

Oh, and the main contributor for the Ape house is a customer of ours. If you saw him you'd think he was a street person. Guy is a commodity investor and is worth big-big bucks. He is also the major contributor to the Ashfall Park in Nebraska which is also a place you need to see.

I have been to the Omaha zoo and it is awesome. Only 1 I would rank close is the Memphis zoo. Have not been to Cinncinattis but have been to the Columbus zoo and was not impressed. Same with the San Diego zoo, felt it was over rated.
On 2nd thought the zoo in Ft Worth TX is pretty damn cool too.

Years ago the Milwaukee zoo was great when the had Sampson the gorilla. But it's gone down hill with the supposed upgrades and renovations.

[bodyhard]

My opinion would still be the same; parents should watch their kids more closely and zoos should do a better job protecting their own animals so they don't have to get shot. I wouldn't blame the gorilla. It's a gorilla.

LOL how do you "blame" an animal?

I will NEVER blame an animal for acting out on his instincts, it is us humans who are to blame for every encounter with animals.

Example a guy is surfing and gets attacked by a shark, then they want to go and kill the shark....stop f'cking surfing.....