You dont need to consume that much Protein

[PowerStrong121]

So i here novice- intermediate even advance bodybuilders complain about how hard it is to get their protein in for the day, which always makes me wonder why they are taking in TOO Much protein. Studies have show that for bodybuilders who are intermediate to advanced and even most beginners than 0.62g per gram of protein is around the max your body will use, anything more is just used as energy. So why eat more protein than ur body needs? eat more carbs or fat. Also if u want a mark up than even consuming 0.85gram of protein will no doubt suffice you. The studies were done for bodybuilders who had over 5 years of experience, and they were training hard 6 times a day for an hour. In conclusion:
If your 190lbs u need max 165g of protein. This is already above the max so its already a mark up.

Also keep in mind the more advanced you are the less protein you need because ur body gets better at synthezing protein. Even for beginners 0.82grams of protein is plenty for bulking even if ur training 7 days a week hard for an hour

Also if you are cutting weight 0.82grams maintain muscle too, there is no need to raise protein any higher than this too when u are cutting. The study was done for cutting with olympic athletes and bodybuilders. I have been training bodybuilding for 6 years and have 17.5inch arms cold flexed and 18.5 inch arms pumped at 11% bodyfat at 188lbs. Will post study when im not on my phone

[Cshall98]

Most articles I have read is that .82 is the maximum your body will utilize for muscle repair, and that anything under .62 is too low for quality muscle growth.

IMO if someone ate about .6 or .7 grams per pound of bodyweight you will probably still put on a good amount of muscle.

Whats ridiculous is the articles and "meal plans" saying that you need 1.5-2 grams per pound of bodyweight.
They mostly do that just to trick you into buying their protein supplements so they can make more $$.

[mmafighter1294]

Too much protein? Is that similar to drinking too much water or trying too hard during a workout?

Eat the minimum amount if you want minimal results. More is always better. mTOR increases as protein intake increases. period. there is a point of diminishing returns, obviously, but 300 grams of protein will always be better than 150 grams and it's stupid to think that you'd be better off eating more fat or carbs.

just my 2 cents

[gbullock32]

Too much protein? Is that similar to drinking too much water or trying too hard during a workout?

Eat the minimum amount if you want minimal results. More is always better. mTOR increases as protein intake increases. period. there is a point of diminishing returns, obviously, but 300 grams of protein will always be better than 150 grams and it's stupid to think that you'd be better off eating more fat or carbs.

just my 2 cents

Law of diminishing returns and you can over-stimulate MPS and it will become suppressed and therefor not optimal. More is not always better.

.8g per pounds is a safe minimum, 1g if you like making counting easier; more is fine but no need to go to 300g as was given as an example.

[Cshall98]

also op, site your sources! Otherwise you have no professional reasoning to back yourself up.

[tc1203]

completely agree with u OP. i eat around mainly a little less than 0.62 grams per lb of body weight, have kept muscle just as fine as tons of protein and built muscle at a steady rate as well

[cartermathis]

Reason I like 1g/lb is because meat measurements can sometimes variate a little from raw to cooked, don't like weighing each individually raw, rather barely go over the minimum than to miss barely miss the minimum.

[PowerStrong121]

Most articles I have read is that .82 is the maximum your body will utilize for muscle repair, and that anything under .62 is too low for quality muscle growth.

IMO if someone ate about .6 or .7 grams per pound of bodyweight you will probably still put on a good amount of muscle.

Whats ridiculous is the articles and "meal plans" saying that you need 1.5-2 grams per pound of bodyweight.
They mostly do that just to trick you into buying their protein supplements so they can make more $$.

Ya very true 0.82g is plenty dont need no 1g per pound or even 1.2-1.5grams even if u r cutting too

[ErikTheElectric]

Neat thread. But regardless, there will still be teenagers that consume WAY more protein than they actually need and will continue to waste their (and their parents) money.

[Mobraelite]

Most articles I have read is that .82 is the maximum your body will utilize for muscle repair, and that anything under .62 is too low for quality muscle growth.

IMO if someone ate about .6 or .7 grams per pound of bodyweight you will probably still put on a good amount of muscle.

Whats ridiculous is the articles and "meal plans" saying that you need 1.5-2 grams per pound of bodyweight.
They mostly do that just to trick you into buying their protein supplements so they can make more $$.

muscle building and all this is only related to genetics


you cannot force a body to build muscle just by dieting right and working out hard

the body will reach its genetic limit and the only fix is dat der

[PowerStrong121]

Too much protein? Is that similar to drinking too much water or trying too hard during a workout?

Eat the minimum amount if you want minimal results. More is always better. mTOR increases as protein intake increases. period. there is a point of diminishing returns, obviously, but 300 grams of protein will always be better than 150 grams and it's stupid to think that you'd be better off eating more fat or carbs.

just my 2 cents

That is where you are wrong, after you get the max amount of protein your body will use the rest will be converted and used as energy via glucousagensis. Why not eat carbs insteas there main purpose is for energy. You could eat 400g a day the fact is ur body can only utilise 150. Does not good at all to use more it pointless. Also another huge point, is i dont know if u live with ur parents but eating 240g of protein a day is gonna cost ur wallet a little bit of money. When i was cuttig and eatting 250g a day i would eat 4 scoops of whey protein a day, in 3 weeks id have to buy a new jug and there 50 bucks a jug or buy chicken breasts at 30-40 dollars for 5 days worth. As opposed to rice which is like 2 bucks a bag or potatoes. Massive difference

[Henchmandan]

Meat > less meat

[Simbahhh]

Personally I think the whole gram per body mass thing is just a waste of time unless you're looking to compete. I just eat lean meat ( grilled chicken, fish, or turkey ) with vegetables ( broccoli, asparagus, green beans, spinach, etc. ) every meal and eat fruit in the morning or for a snack. It seems to work. It helps me stay lean and I don't have to track calories or macros. I also make sure I drink a lot of water. I guess it helps that I play sports

[ErikTheElectric]

Personally I think the whole gram per body mass thing is just a waste of time unless you're looking to compete. I just eat lean meat ( grilled chicken, fish, or turkey ) with vegetables ( broccoli, asparagus, green beans, spinach, etc. ) every meal and eat fruit in the morning or for a snack. It seems to work. It helps me stay lean and I don't have to track calories or macros. I also make sure I drink a lot of water. I guess it helps that I play sports

Errr.. no.

[NZninja101]

Also keep in mind the more advanced you are the less protein you need because ur body gets better at synthezing protein. Even for beginners 0.82grams of protein is plenty for bulking even if ur training 7 days a week hard for an hour

This is fascinating if true. Not only that, but the question of how much protein an advanced guy who can only gain 3lb of muscle in a year should eat. If a non-lifter guy only needs 45g, then assuming that to be true for the lifter, (at maintenance calories), he'd only require 3.7 more grams of protein, 48.7 grams total, to build that 3 additional pounds, (3.7 grams daily over a year is about 3 pounds in weight), assuming it's all used efficiently.


That assumption is almost certainly wrong with 99.9% certainty, but I do wonder how far off the truth it is. Could a guy who can only gain 3lb of muscle this year make that happen with 80 grams? Intriguing question...

I have been training bodybuilding for 6 years and have 17.5inch arms cold flexed and 18.5 inch arms pumped at 11% bodyfat at 188lbs. Will post study when im not on my phone

Posting pics as well would make a lot more people listen.

[LimpDawg]

I only eat like 100 g a day lol still gaintaining.

[goldenera12]

Um, your theory is complete chit. I take in 300-350g of protein along with 300-450 carbs. Scale won't go past 196

[LimpDawg]

Um, your theory is complete chit. I take in 300-350g of protein along with 300-450 carbs. Scale won't go past 196

Lol i get to eat ice cream since im on ICF

[goldenera12]

You prb look like chit too.

[ErikTheElectric]

Um, your theory is complete chit. I take in 300-350g of protein along with 300-450 carbs. Scale won't go past 196

Double your carbs and fat.