Why does the FRS get a lot of hate?

[Mumra]

This.

Its sad that you have to take an extremely under powered car, Throw $10k in mods on it just to get it to an acceptable power level. Then you have to worry about blowing up the trans and engine, Which i'm sure are not rated to handle 100HP+ additional power for long.


On the subject of the FRS, I remember my buddy got one, He was telling me how quick it is blah blah.. So i got in and he did a pull on it from a 30ish roll. I legit burst out in laughter. I swear my beater 204k mile 2006 Nissan Sentra could keep up with it.

that's just it. how much do you think a new STI is going to cost you or any other 300hp+ car for that matter. it all ends up costing about the same in the end.

[jeffl1980]

that's just it. how much do you think a new STI is going to cost you or any other 300hp+ car for that matter. it all ends up costing about the same in the end.

The difference is the STI (or any other factory car) will be making 300+ without voiding warranty and won't have added wear on the trans and internals because it's already built for the power.

Bump a BRZ/FRS to 300 horsepower and see how well the trans and internals hold up. You will also void any warranty and the reliability of the car will be out the window.


Having said this, you can get a 4 cylinder Mustang starting at 25K.....same as the brz/frs and it will already be at 300hp

[claricSTi]

The cars are moddelled after old corollas that barely had enough HP to make it up a steep hill.

Maybe I am just an 86 enthusiast, but I wasn't suprised at all by the lack of power. That doesn't mean I am not going to supercharge mine, but that was the fun of an AE86. A light, FR car that you had to drive the piss out of.

[antidogma]

The difference is the STI (or any other factory car) will be making 300+ without voiding warranty and won't have added wear on the trans and internals because it's already built for the power.

Bump a BRZ/FRS to 300 horsepower and see how well the trans and internals hold up. You will also void any warranty and the reliability of the car will be out the window.


Having said this, you can get a 4 cylinder Mustang starting at 25K.....same as the brz/frs and it will already be at 300hp

3,700lbs mustang vs 2,700lbs brz

I've driven both and it's not even remotely the same thing
mustang feels like a boat after the brz
steering response is a world apart

sure the v8 is fast but it still handles like a boat

[jeffl1980]

3,700lbs mustang vs 2,700lbs brz

I've driven both and it's not even remotely the same thing
mustang feels like a boat after the brz
steering response is a world apart

sure the v8 is fast but it still handles like a boat

You clearly haven't driven a new mustang. Drive like a boat? It's not the 90s anymore. The New Mustang has one of the best suspensions out for their price range.

[antidogma]

You clearly haven't driven a new mustang. Drive like a boat? It's not the 90s anymore. The New Mustang has one of the best suspensions out for their price range.

Yes it finally has independent rear suspension. (My friend drives one and we switch vehicles once in a while for kicks.)
It handles way better than the ridiculous solid axle previous generations had. Doesn't make it weigh any less.

With the 4banger turbo you absolutely need every single HP to move that thing. It's not slow but people make it seem like it's a c7 compared to the BRZ when it's clearly not.

Not to downplay its substantially better interior or its straight line performance, but the thing is over 800lbs heavier and feels like it in the corners.
The rear slides out if I so much as think about taking corners at the speeds I would take in my BRZ, on stock "Prius tires" no less. Can't even imagine the difference in handling if I got wider wheels and PSS's.

different strokes
at the end of the day this is what puts a smile on my face

[khergan]

Its underpowered.

They should have put the WRX/Forester XT 2.0T engine on it and it would be a hands down winner.

[XXLAFLAME]

lol @ g35 being a car known as fun to drive thats a big heavy sedan
if you wanna talk fun 4 doors look at the wrx sti/lancer evos

frs gets alot of hate because its
1 slow as chit
2 overpriced
3 you can get better cars in its price

[0lympus]

A 200 HP sports car just isn't going to fly in 2016. I dont give a fuk how many people try to salvage it by saying "Oh.. it handles great, oh it looks great, oh its not meant to be fast".


Fuking bull****. If they can slap a ****ing turbocharged boxer motor into a 4 door cheap ass ecobox sedan, They can put it in a proper sports car.

100% this

[Mumra]

at 300HP factory with a car that light and 2WD 90% of the population will put it into a wall or ditch in 1K miles or less if they don't kill someone first.

[jeffl1980]

at 300HP factory with a car that light and 2WD 90% of the population will put it into a wall or ditch in 1K miles or less if they don't kill someone first.

Lol........300HP is nothing these days.

[Tamorlane]

the car was built for handling and fun, spirited driving. I drive a v8, but there is something special about being able to ring a 4 cylinder car out through the rpm's. And being light, it can feel rather capable especially on turns and the like. I've seen quite a few take corners and onramps in a way that you don't usually see cars rip through.

When people sit in them they instantly feel the proper driving position.

�How was it Kim?� When I can, I always make it a point to debrief our testing director and handling/ride quality guru Kim Reynolds whenever he climbs out of a car that�s just been figure eighted. Not only is everything fresh in his mind, but there�s no editing whatsoever. Also, Kim hates it when I quote him and I like upsetting Kim.

�It�s just� fantastic.� He went on to say that the 2013 Subaru BRZ, Subaru�s new RWD sports coupe, handled better than the $178,000+ Porsche, Godzilla and the McLaren he�d put around our figure eight hours earlier.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/the-w...as-fast-22121/

[stonesfan129]

I like the older ones because it seemed like a fun car to drive. It would be even better if they offered convertibles. I think for everyday driving, I would rather have something like a Chevrolet Impala or Ford Fusion either with a big V6 or a small V8. But that's just me, I like bigger cars that have more interior room.

[Mumra]

Lol........300HP is nothing these days.

true to a degree. you're just not going to find that in a car that size. you've got to get bigger and if not a lot bigger it's got AWD.

oh and Ford's history with non-diesel turbos is poor at best. forget about a 4cycl turbo Mustang. total POS.

[jeffl1980]

true to a degree. you're just not going to find that in a car that size. you've got to get bigger and if not a lot bigger it's got AWD.

oh and Ford's history with non-diesel turbos is poor at best. forget about a 4cycl turbo Mustang. total POS.

Fords last Turbo 4 cylinder was over 20 years ago. A lot of things has changed regarding Ford since then.

[EdSTI]

I'm considering buying a used one or a salvage title one and slapping a supercharger/turbo on it. I've been searching for a car that feels like a s2k that isn't a s2k for a while and the only thing that feels close to one is a frs.

I refuse to spend over 15k for a 15 year old car that's why s2k is not a option... and too little storage room for a DD. The frs/brz is just an excellent chassis begging for a little extra kick

[Demcakes]

Because they're slow as fuk. Some guy in one floored it next to me yesterday and went nowhere. Sounded like chit too, think he had straight pipes...it honestly may have been the worst sounding exhaust I've ever heard lol

[chrsschb]

I actually love the frs/brz as a platform. It's just begging to be built into a track monster. I'm just done with 4 cylinders (and fuk stuffing a LSx into the car).

[claricSTi]

Lol........300HP is nothing these days.

Do you know what power to weight ratio is?

300hp would be a decent amount in a car this weight.

[jeffl1980]

Do you know what power to weight ratio is?

300hp would be a decent amount in a car this weight.

Of course it would be.


But..................................it's 200HP not 300HP. Your taking my post out of context.

[Wingus]

Friend of mine bought an 86 a little while ago, so we swapped cars and I took it for a test drive. Couldn't get over how slow it was and still blows my mind they didn't release it with a turbo from factory. I drive a Skyline so I've been spoilt with easy power from minimal mods, but its a shame Toyota / Nissan have shied away from fun affordable turbo sports cars in the last 10-15 years.

[zilaniz]

Because for around the same price you could buy a MINT one owner S2000 with less than 15k miles on it.

[hooty mcboobs]

11.3 second quarter mile @127mph, with bolt-ons only. No internal engine mods, no transmission mods. Really impressive stuff:

When the hell was slapping a turbo on a NA motor considered "with bolt-ons only"?

[Holyfenix]

Here is the real issue with the FRS/BRZ/GT86 and its not that its under powered while totally being the problem that its under powered. For what the car is it is perfect powered for most individuals at the track. Lets face it, all its glowing reviews are because its a great track car with a decent interior and a gorgeous exterior. Most drivers can't handle that much power on a track anyway. It fits perfectly alongside Mazda Miata's and S2000's at your local autocross or track day. As soon as you get it on the street where, again lets face it, most racing happens or the quarter mile which is all most communities have, it becomes next to useless. Sure the driver is going to go on and on about how his car handles better than your Camaro but if you challenge him to a race, the excuses will start flying, because how is he going to accept a race when there is no readily available track with twisties? Everyone knows his car is going to get slaughtered. Even worse is slightly older cars that are cheaper than one of these things new that will give it a run for its money on the track and destroy it on the street. 350z's, Evo's, Sti's, E36 AND e46 M3's. For a little more you could get an Lotus Elise. If you buy it, you are really just showing your lack of understanding when it comes to car purchases. It was hyped to hell so thats why people wanted it, despite knowing full well it was going to be slow. The justification being I'll slap a turbo or supercharger on it, when they know they have neither the knowledge nor the funds to have someone else do it.

Honestly if you wanted a fun small car that handles just as well, is more practical, and honestly way more fun while still being brand new and having a warranty you should get this.
The fiesta St was literally the most fun car I have EVER driven. and if you want more power a COBB tune is a hell of a lot cheaper than a supercharger kit. Not to mention its plug and play.

[Mumra]

2 words. Ford Fiesta. just like a turbo Neon. I don't care how fast it is it's still a "Fiesta". might as well be a fat girl that is great at s*cking D.

[FreedomPenguin]

2 words. Ford Fiesta. just like a turbo Neon. I don't care how fast it is it's still a "Fiesta". might as well be a fat girl that is great at s*cking D.

id drive it.

[jmonty]

readily available track with twisties?

except it's not really fast on a track either. i believe even an ecoboost mustang would take an frs on a track. so all it has is 'fun to drive' but to me it would never be nearly as fun as my 400+hp v8.

[Mumra]

LOL!

[Mumra]

a serious review.

skip to 30min for the final results. LOL@almost a $0K for a 4cycl Mustang.

[Tamorlane]

except it's not really fast on a track either. i believe even an ecoboost mustang would take an frs on a track. so all it has is 'fun to drive' but to me it would never be nearly as fun as my 400+hp v8.

how are the laws where you live? Where i'm from you can go fast enough anywhere without worrying about immediate drivers suspension and tow (going 50+km/hr over limit). So you can rip it on highways and from stop lights and signs but you can't really get out the power especially at the top end where small four cylinders are lackluster in comparison. But with a four cylinder you can ring it through the gears and feel like you're getting everything out of the engine.