***Official 2015/16 NHL Season & Playoffs Thread*** (*******s Welcome)

[Jaroctor]

habs should probably clear their drug problem

Weber about to rot in Montreal lol

Drug problem?

[PIMking13]

I think PK is fun to watch, but in reality he's a rich man's Phaneuf

In all honesty that's about the best way to describe him. His defense leaves a lot (a lot) to be desired and his physicality, unlike Webers ability to angle someone off or clear a crease, is usually Subban going out of position to make a big hit. PK has his offensive moments and production but Weber's not exactly a slouch in production either.

Yeah, chit trade for Montreal. But lets not act like Weber isnt the better defenseman. If I'm heading into the playoffs, I'd take Weber if I have to choose between the two. Probably for the next 2-3 years aka Montreals window if you wanna call it that

Because Weber has a phuckin cannon from the point

[Kronwall]

Drug problem?

Cough cough cough Bergevin

[mgftp]

Hearing Rags are talking to Vanek, FML

[Jaroctor]

Hearing Rags are talking to Vanek, FML

7 years, 95 million

[CrazyLazyDude]

Yesterday, I was okay (but not thrilled) with the Hall trade. A caller to the Gregor show summed it up perfectly: I don't like it but I understand it.

But after sleeping on it, now I am not okay with it. Just too much of an overpay IMO. I know we desperately need D but giving up Hall is just far too much for Larsson.

[ScrillaVilla]

Yesterday, I was okay (but not thrilled) with the Hall trade. A caller to the Gregor show summed it up perfectly: I don't like it but I understand it.

But after sleeping on it, now I am not okay with it. Just too much of an overpay IMO. I know we desperately need D but giving up Hall is just far too much for Larsson.

Trading Eberle or RNH for Larsson would have made way more sense.

[Mac_xX]

What does that graphic show exactly?

That Weber has more goal production on less shots when compared to Subban? Even though Subban is much more of an offensive defenseman out of the two?

And possession numbers for defenseman? Those don't tell anything. What puck mover or more defensively-minded defenseman is going to have great possession stats? Unless you're trying to make a Karlsson type argument where if the pucks in the offensive zond then hes by default playing great d.

Honestly statistics tell very little in hockey. Shot suppression? I'll give wingers shots from the top of the circles all night

Aaaannnd I'm done. Educate yourself.

[amikaelmorris]

Aaaannnd I'm done. Educate yourself.

well those specific defensive stats don't say much imo

all those defensive stats are rel corsi which i don't put a huge amount of stock into either, especially when comparing 2 players from different teams. i don't see a whole lot of value in comparing 2 players on different teams based off their comparisons to their teammates when we spend so much effort on defensive pairings and having the stay at home guy balance the puck moving guy. you get some artificially "loud" stats that way because you're not actually comparing players at that point

i see where he's coming from even if he is wrong

[MSUD5]

Trading Eberle or RNH for Larsson would have made way more sense.

Yes, but Shero said he wouldn't accept those for Larsson. it was Hall or nothing.

it bothers me how much hate larsson is getting. hes going to be good. oilers need some help on the blue line and got a great defensive defenseman. put him on the PP and he will shine, hes got the skills to do it. never got the chance to with devils since he had heavy minutes on defense watching the top lines. Greene and Larsson were one of the top 5 defensive pairings last year.

[CrazyLazyDude]

Trading Eberle or RNH for Larsson would have made way more sense.

Agreed. Although I think I tend to value RNH more than others do. I was really hoping it would be Eberle traded for a RHD.

[HunterMC6]

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PK is the GOAT, Nashville for the cup in 2017.

I hate PK on the ice but hockey really needs more personalities. It doesn't need to be a side show or anything that takes away from the sport in general but PK plays his off ice role perfectly and bends the on ice rules just enough as not to cross them. As weird as it is to say this, I will miss him on the Habs, it was one of the only reasons the hatred continued to brew between Boston and Montreal.

[CrazyLazyDude]

Yes, but Shero said he wouldn't accept those for Larsson. it was Hall or nothing.

it bothers me how much hate larsson is getting. hes going to be good. oilers need some help on the blue line and got a great defensive defenseman. put him on the PP and he will shine, hes got the skills to do it. never got the chance to with devils since he had heavy minutes on defense watching the top lines. Greene and Larsson were one of the top 5 defensive pairings last year.

I'm not hating on Larsson at all. I think he's a great addition to the team. I just don't think he is a true top pairing dman, at least not yet. Maybe he will become one but he's not there yet. And, at least IMO, Hall should have been enough to get a top pairing D. But I think it comes down to other GMs knowing how desperate the Oil are.

And let's not forget that this is Shero we're talking about. He has some history of butt****ing other GMs in trades - see Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi (at the time a high end prospect, even if he didn't pan out), and Goligoski for Neal and Niskanen.

[MSUD5]

I'm not hating on Larsson at all. I think he's a great addition to the team. I just don't think he is a true top pairing dman, at least not yet. Maybe he will become one but he's not there yet. And, at least IMO, Hall should have been enough to get a top pairing D. But I think it comes down to other GMs knowing how desperate the Oil are.

And let's not forget that this is Shero we're talking about. He has some history of butt****ing other GMs in trades - see Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi (at the time a high end prospect, even if he didn't pan out), and Goligoski for Neal and Niskanen.

Friedman on radio this morning regarding the deal:

“And they just decided they needed that guy. And New Jersey held on. Held on. Finally, they threw Hall on the table. And even at the end, New Jersey played tough because Edmonton is gaining almost $2 million in cap space, and the Devils said, ‘We’re taking the extra cap space. We’re not adding anything else to this."

lmao shero goat

[ClaudeGiroux]

Eberle to NJD would have given me the weirdest boner.

[amikaelmorris]

bought out today: Korpikoski (EDM), Carle (TB), Seidenberg (BOS), Greene (LA), Jackman (NSH)

dang.

feels bad for greene cause it sounds like his body just can't do it any more, but his brand of defenseman is on the way out

kings D is a dumpster fire right now, literally no RHD on contract

[Atlas_Army]

Brutal. Brutal. Brutal for montreal hockey fans. I live in the city and fans are going nuts, newspapers are going nuts asking for the GM'S head. Dude was beloved by this city and though im not a habs fan I feel for em.

If this doesn't pan out and in its first year and PK has a breakout year with the Preds(which I fully expect considering their amazing line-up) Bergevin is gone. What a fkin goofball doing a straight up trade.

[MSUD5]

Eberle to NJD would have given me the weirdest boner.

just wait until devils trade for shattenkirk.

hnnnnnnnnnnng

[MSUD5]

James Mirtle ********@mirtle 57s57 seconds ago
Sounds like Colorado has something big brewing.

barrie to edm?

Scott Cullen ✔ @tsnscottcullen
Avalanche have something big coming, huh? Rumours of Landeskog being available and they need D. How about Cam Fowler?

[Jaroctor]

Brutal. Brutal. Brutal for montreal hockey fans. I live in the city and fans are going nuts, newspapers are going nuts asking for the GM'S head. Dude was beloved by this city and though im not a habs fan I feel for em.

If this doesn't pan out and in its first year and PK has a breakout year with the Preds(which I fully expect considering their amazing line-up) Bergevin is gone. What a fkin goofball doing a straight up trade.

I love PK but I think Weber will be a better fit with the habs and PK will be better off in a market where everyone can see just how great he is. The writing was on the wall the moment he didn't get the captaincy - announcing his donation without consulting the habs organization, branding himself PK76 (no reference to the habs) and generally creating a brand where the team becomes secondary is a difficult pill to swallow for a management group that gave PK 72 million dollars.

Players mentioning PK said "of course Doughty won the Norris, look who I have to play with" pretty much sums up his attitude. Weber bores the hell out of me but he's a 6'4'' 230 lb dman who will clear the crease and has a rocket shot. Meh.

[ClaudeGiroux]

Campbell is coming back to chicago. Hnnnnnnngh.

[bobsapp]

I love PK but I think Weber will be a better fit with the habs and PK will be better off in a market where everyone can see just how great he is. The writing was on the wall the moment he didn't get the captaincy - announcing his donation without consulting the habs organization, branding himself PK76 (no reference to the habs) and generally creating a brand where the team becomes secondary is a difficult pill to swallow for a management group that gave PK 72 million dollars.

Players mentioning PK said "of course Doughty won the Norris, look who I have to play with" pretty much sums up his attitude. Weber bores the hell out of me but he's a 6'4'' 230 lb dman who will clear the crease and has a rocket shot. Meh.

The winner of the PK/Weber trade is hockey in America. Markets like Nashville need an outgoing personality to grow the game.


If Nashville wins the cup with Poile as their GM, the people better form a line and get on their knees.


Hes set this team up for the next decade. Subban, Forsberg, Neal and Johansen.

[Atlas_Army]

I love PK but I think Weber will be a better fit with the habs and PK will be better off in a market where everyone can see just how great he is. The writing was on the wall the moment he didn't get the captaincy - announcing his donation without consulting the habs organization, branding himself PK76 (no reference to the habs) and generally creating a brand where the team becomes secondary is a difficult pill to swallow for a management group that gave PK 72 million dollars.

Players mentioning PK said "of course Doughty won the Norris, look who I have to play with" pretty much sums up his attitude. Weber bores the hell out of me but he's a 6'4'' 230 lb dman who will clear the crease and has a rocket shot. Meh.

Dude. Shea weber has been on a decline for a while now. The only reason his point output is high is because hes playing with josi and a much improved roster in general. Dude has his worst numbers as a defenseman +/- wise. ranks in the bottom tier for puck possession, loose puck retrieval, completed passes.

He sure isnt that fast either, good luck paring him with Markov lmaoooo. MTL is gonna struggle hard and his PP output will drop in MTL.

I promise Subban will kill next year bar any injuries, was Subban easy to handle? Of course not but getting fleeced in a trade is not the answer to dealing with your problem. Canadiens are going back to irrelevancy guaranteed. This city will Decapitate the gm/coach if things dont go well next season which they wont unless they had a whole lot of players. ATM Montreal fans are going nuts.

[LiftLaughLust]

Krug 4 years, 5.25 aav. dunno how i feel about that. rather pay him that money than seidenberg but dunno...

[mgftp]

I think people freaking out about the Hall trade haven't seen enough of Larsson, he is very early on in his career but showed big development and potential last season. If he keeps on the same trajectory he has the potential to be the next great Dman of his generation, potential, yes, so there is a risk, and most likely NJ will look to have "won" the trade in the next 2 years but beyond that EDM could really look like they cleaned up, especially considering the low AVV contract he is locked up for.... It's a gamble play for sure, but he has the ability to make an immediate impact next season, and considering the stock pile of offensive kids EDM has I get why they did it, better than picking up a guy like Weber who is about the fall off the cliff of his decline IMO.

[amikaelmorris]

I love PK but I think Weber will be a better fit with the habs and PK will be better off in a market where everyone can see just how great he is. The writing was on the wall the moment he didn't get the captaincy - announcing his donation without consulting the habs organization, branding himself PK76 (no reference to the habs) and generally creating a brand where the team becomes secondary is a difficult pill to swallow for a management group that gave PK 72 million dollars.

Players mentioning PK said "of course Doughty won the Norris, look who I have to play with" pretty much sums up his attitude. Weber bores the hell out of me but he's a 6'4'' 230 lb dman who will clear the crease and has a rocket shot. Meh.

cope as fuk

[KurtMussell]

Campbell is coming back to chicago. Hnnnnnnngh.

And he said he'd take a discount to play. Gotta stiffen up that D.

Earlier today they signed Rozsival and Mashinter to 1 year deals.

Other players said to be on the radar in addition to Campbell are Dan Hamuis, Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg, and Lee Stempniak.

[Atlas_Army]

I think people freaking out about the Hall trade haven't seen enough of Larsson, he is very early on in his career but showed big development and potential last season. If he keeps on the same trajectory he has the potential to be the next great Dman of his generation, potential, yes, so there is a risk, and most likely NJ will look to have "won" the trade in the next 2 years but beyond that EDM could really look like they cleaned up, especially considering the low AVV contract he is locked up for.... It's a gamble play for sure, but he has the ability to make an immediate impact next season, and considering the stock pile of offensive kids EDM has I get why they did it, better than picking up a guy like Weber who is about the fall off the cliff of his decline IMO.

Still a straight up trade? A prospect who hasn't met his full potential for someone who is great offensive threat seems strange to me, like how could you not get a draft pick or something?

Still not as bad as the weber trade but this off season has provided more lulz than the last 3 years combined.

[bobsapp]

I think people freaking out about the Hall trade haven't seen enough of Larsson, he is very early on in his career but showed big development and potential last season. If he keeps on the same trajectory he has the potential to be the next great Dman of his generation, potential, yes, so there is a risk, and most likely NJ will look to have "won" the trade in the next 2 years but beyond that EDM could really look like they cleaned up, especially considering the low AVV contract he is locked up for.... It's a gamble play for sure, but he has the ability to make an immediate impact next season, and considering the stock pile of offensive kids EDM has I get why they did it, better than picking up a guy like Weber who is about the fall off the cliff of his decline IMO.

Next great DMAN of his generation?

That's a reach there boyo.

This boyo here is the next great DMAN

[compan]

Seids buyout...we're making progress