Andrew Wiggins On Kobe: "He's The Greatest Of My Generation"

[BeastModeFTW]

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[ClutchAnalyst]

[BloodyBaron]

Closest thing we've seen to Jordan since Jordan.

[waddupi]

Lebron is the goat of this generation.

[broboma2012]

Lol at op for making fun of wiggins for not realizing that Kobe has not once lead the league in any of the following advanced stats: per, bpm, vorp, win shares, win shares/48, or ts. And was only statistically the best player on his team for one championship playoff run. Op why you gotta do wiggins like that?

[BeastModeFTW]

Lebron is the goat of this generation.

[BloodyBaron]

Lol at op for making fun of wiggins for not realizing that Kobe has not once lead the league in any of the following advanced stats: per, bpm, vorp, win shares, win shares/48, or ts. And was only statistically the best player on his team for one championship playoff run. Op why you gotta do wiggins like that?

Cringing at this try-hard advance stat neckbeard. I bet you think Mike Trout is a below average defender too right? Because muh dWAR and UZR say he is. Try watching games every once in awhile, they tell you more than advanced stats ever will.

Kobe did so many other things that stats can never show, just being on the court changed the landscape of games, especially in the 4th quarter.

[BeastModeFTW]

Lol at op for making fun of wiggins for not realizing that Kobe has not once lead the league in any of the following advanced stats: per, bpm, vorp, win shares, win shares/48, or ts. And was only statistically the best player on his team for one championship playoff run. Op why you gotta do wiggins like that?

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[NasStan]

Cringing at this try-hard advance stat neckbeard. I bet you think Mike Trout is a below average defender too right? Because muh dWAR and UZR say he is. Try watching games every once in awhile, they tell you more than advanced stats ever will.

Kobe did so many other things that stats can never show, just being on the court changed the landscape of games, especially in the 4th quarter.

[BloodyBaron]

Sad part is that you think brobama is joking. He isn't, he actually think's Kobe wasn't the best player in the league once in his career and only the best player on his own team once. He's like this with baseball as well, makes his post even funnier that you think he's being sarcastic -- newsflash, he's not.

[broboma2012]

Cringing at this try-hard advance stat neckbeard. I bet you think Mike Trout is a below average defender too right? Because muh dWAR and UZR say he is. Try watching games every once in awhile, they tell you more than advanced stats ever will.

Kobe did so many other things that stats can never show, just being on the court changed the landscape of games, especially in the 4th quarter.

A no avi calling someone neck beard? Gotta love it.

Another sports miscer who has no clue wtf is going on. The op has been using that exact logic that was in my post to prove curry is the best player ever. Now if he were consistent he would be mocking wiggins for saying that Kobe is the best of a generation that he lead basically 0 times in any advanced stat. But nooooo, all of the sudden none of that matters.


The fact is Kobe is the most fortunate player ever. He got a shaq and phil to start out his career. If he had had to have a team built around him from scratch Kobe would be a player that maybe win one ring and put up some gaudyish raw numbers in perennial 1st and 2nd round exit teams. Kobe is the most over rated athlete of all time and the reasons why he gets that benefit are because: 1) he played for the lakers, a huge market and was gifted a prime shaq and phil early in his career 2) his style of play resembles a shadow of mj when the league was clamoring for someone to fill that monumental void left by him (if anyone remembers that time any young player who had a semblance of potential and athleticism was given a try wearing the heir apparent hat). It just so happened when Kobe had his turn everyone decided 'good enough'. 3.) Kobe's highlight reel 'game winners' are an exercise in confirmation bias and just how much it effects perception. They only see the makes but don't realize that it is a fact that teams lead by Kobe become increasingly less offensively efficient on final possessions. Kobe is so predictable that he makes those situations literally some of the easiest to defend in the NBA.

Kobe is the Derek jeter of the nba (minus the class). A good player but highly over rated.

I have never seen you post or seen your user name, so consider yourself baptized. You are my bitch

[ClutchAnalyst]

A no avi calling someone neck beard? Gotta love it.

Another sports miscer who has no clue wtf is going on. The op has been using that exact logic that was in my post to prove curry is the best player ever. Now if he were consistent he would be mocking wiggins for saying that Kobe is the best of a generation that he lead basically 0 times in any advanced stat. But nooooo, all of the sudden none of that matters.


The fact is Kobe is the most fortunate player ever. He got a shaq and phil to start out his career. If he had had to have a team built around him from scratch Kobe would be a player that maybe win one ring and put up some gaudyish raw numbers in perennial 1st and 2nd round exit teams. Kobe is the most over rated athlete of all time and the reasons why he gets that benefit are because: 1) he played for the lakers, a huge market and was gifted a prime shaq and phil early in his career 2) his style if play resembles a shadow of mj when the league was clamoring for someone to fill that monumental void left by him (if anyone remembers that time any young player who had a semblance if potential and athleticism was given a try wearing the heir apparent hat). It just do happened when Kobe had his turn everyone decided 'good enough'. 3.) Kobe's highlight reel 'game winners' are an exercise in confirmation bias and just how much it effects perception. They only see the makes but don't realize that it is a fact that teams leaf by Kobe become increasingly less offensively efficient on final possessions. Kobe is so predictable that he makes those situations literally some of the easiest to defend in the NBA.

Kobe is the Derek jeter of the nba (minus the class). A good player but highly over rated.

I have never seen you post or seen your user name, so consider yourself baptized. You are my bitch

keep in mind everyone, all of this is just to combat the fact that MJ had to play with easier defensive rules

[BeastModeFTW]

A no avi calling someone neck beard? Gotta love it.

Another sports miscer who has no clue wtf is going on. The op has been using that exact logic that was in my post to prove curry is the best player ever. Now if he were consistent he would be mocking wiggins for saying that Kobe is the best of a generation that he lead basically 0 times in any advanced stat. But nooooo, all of the sudden none of that matters.


The fact is Kobe is the most fortunate player ever. He got a shaq and phil to start out his career. If he had had to have a team built around him from scratch Kobe would be a player that maybe win one ring and put up some gaudyish raw numbers in perennial 1st and 2nd round exit teams. Kobe is the most over rated athlete of all time and the reasons why he gets that benefit are because: 1) he played for the lakers, a huge market and was gifted a prime shaq and phil early in his career 2) his style if play resembles a shadow of mj when the league was clamoring for someone to fill that monumental void left by him (if anyone remembers that time any young player who had a semblance if potential and athleticism was given a try wearing the heir apparent hat). It just do happened when Kobe had his turn everyone decided 'good enough'. 3.) Kobe's highlight reel 'game winners' are an exercise in confirmation bias and just how much it effects perception. They only see the makes but don't realize that it is a fact that teams leaf by Kobe become increasingly less offensively efficient on final possessions. Kobe is so predictable that he makes those situations literally some of the easiest to defend in the NBA.

Kobe is the Derek jeter of the nba (minus the class). A good player but highly over rated.

I have never seen you post or seen your user name, so consider yourself baptized. You are my bitch

strong misconstruing of what I've posted. now for what I actually posted:

Is Steph Curry Having The GOAT Season?
30/7/5 on 68% TS in less then 34 minutes a game leading the Warriors to the best start in NBA History. first player in nba history to lead the league in scoring and TS%. highest TS% in history (at least 11 fga per game). highest net rating ever. Highest PER ever. top 5 in points per 100 possessions. warriors outscoring teams by 16.2 pgg with curry on the court (getting outscored by 3.5 ppg with curry sitting). raw numbers would be significantly better if not curry destroying teams in 3 quarters which has resulted in him missing 14 4th quarters (curry plays his best basketball by far in the 4th highlighted by his PER of 46 in the 4th and 61% 3 point percentage and Curry somehow being 12th in 4th quarter points despite being outside the top 200 in minutes played in the 4th) . Also numbers are down from that 2 week stretch where he was hurt including that game aganist the nuggets where he only scored 5 points because he got injured and had to leave the game early.

Steph Curry preinjury: 27 games: 32/6/5 on 69% TS in 35 minutes per game
Steph Curry while injured: 7 games: 19/7/5 60% TS in 29 minutes per game
Steph Curry postinjury: 10 games: 32/7/5 on 71% TS in 34 minutes per game

per 36 minute stats: jordan: 31.2/5.3/4.9 on 60% TS leading a 50 win team
curry: 31.9/7.0/5.6 on 68% TS leading potentially the GOAT team


now for my argument against Jordan

this is actually my biggest argument against Jordan. what other all time great could you remove from their team and only have a 2 game dropoff? take kobe off the 2009 lakers how many games do they win? take shaq off the 2000 Lakers how many games do they win? take curry off the 2016 Warriors how many games do they win? hakeem off the 94 Rockets, duncan off the 2003 Spurs, etc. It proves that those Bulls teams were incredibly stacked and that Scottie Pippen is extremely underrated. The Bulls defense in 1994 was actually better then their defense in 1993. inb4 but the bulls dropped off in 1995 yeah because they lost all star Horace Grant who ironically helped the Magic beat the Bulls in the playoffs (18/11 on 65% TS while providing his usual stellar defense against the Bulls in the playoffs) on their way to reaching the finals.

1993 Bulls starting lineup: BJ Armstrong, Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Bill Cartwright. Coach: Phil Jackson
1994 Bulls starting lineup: BJ Armstrong, Pete Myers, Pippen, Grant, Bill Cartwright. Coach: Phil Jackson

the Bulls actually even lost their starting center Bill Cartwright for half of the year in addition to losing Jordan. The Bulls in 1994 with Pippen were 51-21 so actually the Bulls in 1994 without Jordan had a better winning % with Pippen in the lineup then the 1993 Bulls did as a whole. testament to Pippen's greatness. ultimately the 10 games Pippen missed cost the Bulls as they lost homecourt advantage because of it.

jordan isn't the best player of all time. he went 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen and in his 5 years without Pippen he never led a team to a winning record. The Bulls only had a 2 game drop off without him. there defense was better without jordan. pippen on the other hand actually had playoff success without Jordan. scottie pippen is the most underrated player of all time and if not for a phantom call the Bulls would've made the finals without Jordan. the supporting cast of jordan's teams are ridiculously underrated.
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[BloodyBaron]

A no avi calling someone neck beard? Gotta love it.

Another sports miscer who has no clue wtf is going on. The op has been using that exact logic that was in my post to prove curry is the best player ever. Now if he were consistent he would be mocking wiggins for saying that Kobe is the best of a generation that he lead basically 0 times in any advanced stat. But nooooo, all of the sudden none of that matters.


The fact is Kobe is the most fortunate player ever. He got a shaq and phil to start out his career. If he had had to have a team built around him from scratch Kobe would be a player that maybe win one ring and put up some gaudyish raw numbers in perennial 1st and 2nd round exit teams. Kobe is the most over rated athlete of all time and the reasons why he gets that benefit are because: 1) he played for the lakers, a huge market and was gifted a prime shaq and phil early in his career 2) his style of play resembles a shadow of mj when the league was clamoring for someone to fill that monumental void left by him (if anyone remembers that time any young player who had a semblance of potential and athleticism was given a try wearing the heir apparent hat). It just so happened when Kobe had his turn everyone decided 'good enough'. 3.) Kobe's highlight reel 'game winners' are an exercise in confirmation bias and just how much it effects perception. They only see the makes but don't realize that it is a fact that teams lead by Kobe become increasingly less offensively efficient on final possessions. Kobe is so predictable that he makes those situations literally some of the easiest to defend in the NBA.

Kobe is the Derek jeter of the nba (minus the class). A good player but highly over rated.

have never seen you post or seen your user name, so consider yourself baptized. You are my bitch

How badly does your life suck? You wrote a bunch of incoherent spiteful dribble to discredit one of the all time GOAT's, and act like you did anything but state your opinion. But yeah, you definitely baptized me, top kek *******.

[broboma2012]

keep in mind everyone, all of this is just to combat the fact that MJ had to play with easier defensive rules

Lol. Poor Dutchanalcyst, pretending people read his posts

[JmanTheJuiceman]

I have never seen you post or seen your user name, so consider yourself baptized. You are my bitch

[StrapNScrap21]

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[MesoPeaks]

Overall, MJ is the GOAT.

[ClutchAnalyst]

Lol. Poor Dutchanalcyst, pretending people read his posts

i already read my posts enough times to make up for that

check mate

[broboma2012]

Lol at leastmodeFTL going off on an irrelevant tangent about mj (a player who is clearly the best of his generation) when the thread is about Kobe and his place among his own. All the while using advanced metrics for curry that are curiously absent from your discussion of Kobe. By consistently applying the logic that you employ to support your curry argument one can only come to the conclusion that you do not believe Kobe is the best of his generation and were only posting this wiggins quote as a means to subtly mock him for making such a stupid statement.






Or, you know, you're just full of shyt

[ItsWhatIDo]

Cringing at this try-hard advance stat neckbeard. I bet you think Mike Trout is a below average defender too right? Because muh dWAR and UZR say he is. Try watching games every once in awhile, they tell you more than advanced stats ever will.

Kobe did so many other things that stats can never show, just being on the court changed the landscape of games, especially in the 4th quarter.

Like most mins spent riding Shaq's shoulders

[JmanTheJuiceman]

People responding to these threads is OP's greatest accomplishment

[BeastModeFTW]

Lol at leastmodeFTL going off on an irrelevant tangent about mj (a player who is clearly the best of his generation) when the thread is about Kobe and his place among his own. All the while using advanced metrics for curry that are curiously absent from your discussion of Kobe. By consistently applying the logic that you employ to support your curry argument one can only come to the conclusion that you do not believe Kobe is the best of his generation and were only posting this wiggins quote as a means to subtly mock him for making such a stupid statement.






Or, you know, you're just full of shyt

the only advanced stats which I've used on a consistent basis are ts% and net rating (kobe actually has a higher playoff net rating then both lebron and duncan and higher regular season net rating then duncan as well despite kobe's numbers being dragged down the last 3 years post achilles injuries. ). I use per 36 minute stats which aren't really an advanced metric to account for the raw stats deflation curry has from sitting 14 4th quarters which comes from him dominating the first 3 quarters. I don't recall using value over replacement player and the only time I brought up win shares and box plus minus was in the form of defensive win shares and defensive box plus minus as a secondary measurement that this idea that curry is a bad defender is absolute crap. those numbers were only used after pointing out the poor numbers of many of the top point guards in the league against curry. keep reaching tho.

[broboma2012]

'On a consistent basis'. That is the whole point you moron, you don't do anything on a consistent basis. You are just being a semantcuck. I have seen you use every advanced metric at your disposal. But anyway, what is the statistical basis for saying that Kobe is the best of a generation? Inb4 I don't really use stats on a 'consistent basis'. No fuking shyt

Ps +/- is not an individual metric you fuktard

[BeastModeFTW]

'On a consistent basis'. That is the whole point you moron, you don't do anything on a consistent basis. You are just being a semantcuck. I have seen you use every advanced metric at your disposal. But anyway, what is the statistical basis for saying that Kobe is the best of a generation? Inb4 I don't really use stats on a 'consistent basis'. No fuking shyt

no I haven't. you're the one being inconsistent valuing advanced stats or just stats in general but then shoving that aside with steph. somehow steph is a weakness on defense despite opposing point guards playing poorly against steph, despite steph being among the league leaders in steals, and having good metrics defensively. anyways Kobe's statistical case can be seen in his impact best measured by net rating. For the purposes of this discussion let's just compare Kobe to Duncan and LeBron his main competitors. Kobe has a higher playing off net rating then both. Kobe actually had a much higher net playoff rating then Shaq in 2001 and Pau in 2009 and 2010. Meanwhile Tim Duncan was actually a net negative in the playoffs when the spurs won championships in 2014 and 2005. also was a net negative when the spurs made the finals in 2013. lebron last year in the playoff was barely a net positive (+0.4) so much for the narrative that lebron single handily carried the cavs, once again he was barely a net positive in 2013 when the heat won the championship (+0.2). was a huge net negative in 2011 when the heat made the finals (-14.6) proving that lebron actually cost the heat a sure championship. The Heat were +16.2 per 100 possessions in the playoffs when LeBron was on the bench.

Kobe during Lakers finals runs:
2000- net rating unavailable
2001- +14.2 (shaq -0.3). it was all shaq tho! shaq carried the team. lmao
2002- +1.5
2004- +13.5
2008 +8.9
2009: +12.4
2010: +7.6

[BeastModeFTW]

to add to it
inb2b games


kobe net rating +14.2
shaq net rating -0.3
O'Neal referred to Bryant as "[his] idol" and "the best player in the league, by far" following a victory in Game 1 of that year's Western Conference Finals

it was all shaq tho!

[ClutchAnalyst]

to add to it
kobe net rating +14.2
shaq net rating -0.3
O'Neal referred to Bryant as "[his] idol" and "the best player in the league, by far" following a victory in Game 1 of that year's Western Conference Finals

it was all shaq tho!

shaq was winning championships in orlando tho

[midcoastking33]

not even a top 10 all time

[BeastModeFTW]

shaq was winning championships in orlando tho

shaq was winning championships in la too alongside all stars eddie jones and nick van excel and good role players like elden campell, rick fox, and robert horry. oh wait what's that? shaq kept getting his *** swept in the playoffs every year until Kobe became an elite player? surely shaq post Kobe must have been balling. oh wait his only finals appearance and championship came as significant net negative player riding dwade's coattails. you don't say.

2006 Wade: playoff net rating: +22.2
2006 Shaq: playoff net rating: -8.6
phucking lmao

[nikonD70s]

he aint wrong

kobe was the most explosive offense player to ever play the game. making some of the toughest shots the nba has ever seen. also being guarded by the best defensive player in the nba. sure he chucks a lot. but thats cuz he no care about stats. if he cherry pick his shots like some players. he would of had better stats but who needs stats when its about winning. kobe was an alpha dog in the nba. his mentality was one of a kind. people love him...people hate him cuz he was to good. played in prolly the best era with some of the best players in the nba.