What's wrong with successful women?

[peasandlove]

that was a quick banning

[happywithit]

Can you link some of the threads you're referring to, because I haven't really seen this?

Was thinking this. How long ago were these posts?

If they were ten years ago then minds might have changed by the posters since then.

[RyanLeee]

I wouldn't go as far as saying that women only get married to guys with money, but wouldn't you say that most women want a guy to at least be successful? Most women don't want to marry a guy that's making around 25-30 grand a year for instance.

Yeah I feel the same. I don't want some girl barley scrapping by. But it also comes down to drive, ambition etc. I would rather someone who makes 30k if they are working hard, have a drive to work, improve their situation etc then someone making 50k who slacks off, doesn't give a **** etc

They have to be successful financially and mentally

[peasandlove]

I have a friend who was earning well over 100k, and still had credit card debt, no money in the bank etc etc
that used to do my head in

[FU3L]

I have a friend who was earning well over 100k, and still had credit card debt, no money in the bank etc etc
that used to do my head in

I see this a lot also. Seems the more money people make, the more they try to live outside of their means.

[peasandlove]

I see this a lot also. Seems to more money people make, the more they try to live outside of their means.

yeah she gave no ****s about spending
$80 mascara, buy a round of cocktails for like 10 people, put it on her credit card

[RyanLeee]

I have a friend who was earning well over 100k, and still had credit card debt, no money in the bank etc etc
that used to do my head in

I bet she complained a lot about never having any money or wondering where it all went

[BigTimePlayer]

Yeah I feel the same. I don't want some girl barley scrapping by. But it also comes down to drive, ambition etc. I would rather someone who makes 30k if they are working hard, have a drive to work, improve their situation etc then someone making 50k who slacks off, doesn't give a **** etc

They have to be successful financially and mentally

But as said, women care much more about how much a guy makes. Women can easily get dates/relationships if they're making hardly any money. A guy that makes the same as those women making little money whom get all the dates/relationships would rarely even be given a chance for a relationship or even just a date. Only exceptions are if they're still in college where money won't matter. But after 22-23 years old, it starts to matter a lot.

[peasandlove]

how do you even know how much someone earns till you get to know them anyway? It's not something you talk about immediately, or is it?

[deadliftbrah19]

I haven't seen threads like this. I know many women who are Director level or above.

It's taken a lot of sacrifice on their end though, in terms of not having children or having spouses who understand that they travel often/work long hours. It's not for me, but they seem to be happy with achieving those goals.

[BigTimePlayer]

how do you even know how much someone earns till you get to know them anyway? It's not something you talk about immediately, or is it?

All someone has to do is ask "well, what do you do for work?". Than you'll get an idea of if they make a lot or not. For instance, if someone says they're a chemical engineer, you know they're making pretty good money. If they say they're an assistant manager at a retail store, you know they're not making all that much.

[deadliftbrah19]

I have a friend who was earning well over 100k, and still had credit card debt, no money in the bank etc etc
that used to do my head in

I know this feel too much.

It's true, because usually the jobs are more stressful and longer hours when you make over 100K, so you end up spending money on housecleaning services, personal trainers, eating out, facials, massages, luxury cars as way to relieve the stress and because time is so limited.

I do know that men with ambition and drive typically do not want a woman who is barely making any money as a waitress.

[BigTimePlayer]

I know this feel too much.

It's true, because usually the jobs are more stressful and longer hours when you make over 100K, so you end up spending money on housecleaning services, personal trainers, eating out, facials, massages, luxury cars as way to relieve the stress and because time is so limited.

I do know that men with ambition and drive typically do not want a woman who is barely making any money as a waitress.

Women that don't make much still can easily get dates/relationships though. How often they lead to marriage who knows, but it's easier for women to be working a low paying job & still get into a relationship.

[Simple00]

I can't post links due to posts, but just search "sucessfull women" to see what I'm talking about.

Did your search. I ended up finding this thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ccessful+women

Title of thread: "Where the hell can i meet successful women?". Gender of the creator of the thread: Male (apparently).

To me it seems like this man is eager to form a relationship with a successful woman. What do you think about said thread?

To be fair, after doing your search I did find some threads that were bashing successful women. But from my little investigation, it has nothing to do with men hating the fact that some women are smart, ambitious, and hold prestigious job titles. Rather, it has to do with highly successful women being overly career-driven to the point that they are working too many hours, or it has to do with highly successful women not being feminine. I don't necessarily support these claims, it's just what I've noticed that men are saying in this forum.

I guess you haven't looked at the thread titled something like: "POF (plentyoffish.com) fill in the blank". If you did look through that thread, you will find that many guys are disappointed that women are looking to marry up, financially. Why would these guys be disappointed that women are after guys for their money, and at the same time they are disliking other women for the fact that they are ambitious and make a lot of money? These guys aren't doing this, probably because most men don't hate on women simply for being successful.

[dyee4613]

I don't think most women actively seek to bum off men. I think it's just a series of subconscious traits.

1) Women naturally want commitment. They biologically want to find a man who will help them raise a child. --> pro marriage
2) Women are less ambitious then men in the workforce. Men take riskier jobs, work longer hours, and work in higher paying fields. This leads to a difference in income.
3) Women spend more than men. Both men and women are horrible about saving but women are worst.
4) Women want to be taken care of. The reason intelligence turns women on is because it implies they are providers just like muscles are a sign they can be protected. So, they are more likely to be attracted to a rich man.

If any of this seems sexist, please let me know and I can post links showing the statistics.

[HoustonMiscer]

how do you even know how much someone earns till you get to know them anyway? It's not something you talk about immediately, or is it?

I'm sure people tell each other their jobs and then the mind wanders and comes up with am estimate of how much this person makes.

[BigTimePlayer]

I'm sure people tell each other their jobs and then the mind wanders and comes up with am estimate of how much this person makes.

This. It's not that difficult to know whether someone makes good money or not. As I said if someone says they're a doctor/lawyer/chemical engineer you should know right away they're doing really well for themselves, if they're an assistant manager at some store/waiter/bartender you know they're not making that much.

[BigTimePlayer]

This article says exactly what I've been saying.

http://omgchronicles.vickilarson.com...-you-date-him/

I don't really agree with the part though where they say women that make a lot are marriage/dating material as long as they don't make more than the guy. I think if the guy is successful himself, and is with another woman that still makes more, it shouldn't be a problem.

[Simple00]

All someone has to do is ask "well, what do you do for work?". Than you'll get an idea of if they make a lot or not. For instance, if someone says they're a chemical engineer, you know they're making pretty good money. If they say they're an assistant manager at a retail store, you know they're not making all that much.

^This. I've had quite a few 1st dates and I'm certain that every single girl asked me what I did for a living/school on those dates. It is a very common question; I ask it as well.

LOL at thinking a girl wouldn't be on her laptop "google-ing" the annual income of whatever job the guy said he held.

[BigTimePlayer]

^This. I've had quite a few 1st dates and I'm certain that every single girl asked me what I did for a living/school on those dates. It is a very common question; I ask it as well.

LOL at thinking a girl wouldn't be on her laptop "google-ing" the annual income of whatever job the guy said he held.

Yep, when I was on online dating they would almost all ask what I did for work just through messaging.

[azakdan2682]

Fuk that, I've dated several women that made more than me and it was waay better...because I knew they were in it because they liked me. I don't shy away from successful women, I get away from women who are not and looking for a meal ticket. I think they guys that want women that make little have no game, ugly, or have a deep seated mindset that men should always make more. Only problem I have encountered is that some women, despite making real good money, still expect men to pay for everything.

[BigTimePlayer]

Fuk that, I've dated several women that made more than me and it was waay better...because I knew they were in it because they liked me. I don't shy away from successful women, I get away from women who are not and looking for a meal ticket. I think they guys that want women that make little have no game, ugly, or have a deep seated mindset that men should always make more. Only problem I have encountered is that some women, despite making real good money, still expect men to pay for everything.

Yeah, I think I'd want to be with someone that makes more just on the fact of knowing that they actually like me, and not for some sort of provider motive. That wouldn't be so hard at the moment though since the job I have now is complete ****.

[HeroesFall]

It's rarely about the money you make and more about the money you spend / save and how you spend / save that builds worth and value.

I haven't seen threads like this. I know many women who are Director level or above.

It's taken a lot of sacrifice on their end though, in terms of not having children or having spouses who understand that they travel often/work long hours. It's not for me, but they seem to be happy with achieving those goals.

People I've known in these roles generally have sacrificed personal life to get there. Even brilliant people have to spend a great deal of time to rise to the top, part of the politics. They may be married, but how healthy is that marriage, or is it an appearance or "co-habitation."

My goal for income mainly is reaching a level of stability and comfort without sacrificing time with the one I'm with to enjoy our life. In the end gotta do what makes you happy, but realize that who you are 9-5 rarely if ever matters beyond a paycheck, but who you are to the person / people at home is what you'll be cherished for.

[socrates07]

I have a job, a car, a house, so yeah, I wouldnt wanna be with someone who didnt have that too, or at least be on his way to achieving it.
You have to have similar goals in life
It's not how much they're earning as such but where the mindset is at.
I work and save my arse off to get what I want and want to be with someone the same

see misc, superficial as it comes

"you either have equal to what I do.. bare fuking minimum.. or get the fuk out loser"

straight from the horses mouth

Now chica, for guys like me.. I could give not one single fuk if the girl lived in her mom's horse barn.. if she's got a good heart, takes care of herself and basically JUST TRIES.. I'm down with it

Maybe you should get a touch of humanity in yourself

[Megalomaniacal]

You can't bypass the fact as a male we are expected by women and society to be able to provide, it is so clear cut. A man will date a woman that has no money but the reverse is rare except in a few cases.

it's not rare at all. If the guy is good looking enough she won't care about what he makes.

[joshuason77]

The only truth i know is that women want money! They are gold diggers!

[BigPoppaPumpin]

Women care more about education and prestige than they do about actual income

- a woman college grad rather go out w/ a jobless college grad than a Mcdonald's supervisor who only graduated high school
- a woman post-grad rather go out w/ a struggling post-grad than a bus driver who makes near 6 figures


I guess a similar education level creates common ground. And prestige is good to brag to family members and friends.

[poloralphloren]

Only problem I have encountered is that some women, despite making real good money, still expect men to pay for everything.

Yeah this is a situation I'm dealing with currently... The other night we went out for a drink before dinner, then dinner, then a drink after dinner, then bought drinks to bring home, she stayed over, then next morning took her out to brunch. I paid for every single thing, even though there were ample opportunities for her to throw in a few bucks to help out. Not even a fake/pretend offer to help out. And even worse, not a single word of thanks! Not a one! She just sat there with a blank expression every time the bill came. And it's like that every time. And she clearly makes more money than me too -- lives in a nice house in the burbs while I'm in a shared apartment in the city... Seems unfair. But in every other way we get along great and the sex is good so idk. Only been dating a month or so though, so maybe she views us as still being in courtship mode...

[BigTimePlayer]

it's not rare at all. If the guy is good looking enough she won't care about what he makes.

lol this is hard to believe. You're telling me most women are willing to get into a serious relationship with a man that's hardly making any money just because he's good looking? I can see a FWB or a short term relationship type of thing at best, but not a serious relationship if he's not bringing much to the table except for his looks.

[FriendOfFrank]

lol this is hard to believe. You're telling me she's willing to get into a serious relationship with a man that's hardly making any money just because he's good looking? I can see a FWB or a short term relationship type of thing, but not a serious relationship if he's not bringing much to the table except for his looks.

Depends on the woman's priorities. If she has a high paying career and no interest in being a stay at mom, why would she care how much a guy makes? Some women would prefer a guy a couple points higher in the looks department with a modest but respectable career, rather than an average looking white collar guy. Some women would rather be taken care of and have nice things. Different strokes for different folks/sloots