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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    I agree too

    Don't agree on the bench press one though. Shoulder injuries from benching are entirely form related
    So you think doing negatives on bench with close to your 1RM with someone spotting you is good for your shoulders?
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    I can second that bar bench phuks up your shoulders. I had a 355 flat bar bench max when I was 18 and after about a year after it started tweaking my shoulder when I lifted remotely heavy (225 for reps). I don't even bar bench anymore. Only dumbbell bench which surprisingly doeesn't tweak my shoulders. I'm pretty positive my technique was good too I just don't think there's anything you can do when you start getting up to that heavy weight.

    I was pretty clueless on dieting before the misc. I'm cutting now until I get low BF for the first time in my life and never realized how simple it really was (tracking macros and only having cutting 500 calories less each day). Going along with this I thought that if I just kept putting on weight that my lifts would keep increasing linearly but eventually you reach your limit. I could easily weigh 300 if I wanted but I don't think if I bulked from my current weight of 240 (at 6'1) I would put on much more muscle strength at this point.

    Sometimes lifting lighter weight for more reps can be more beneficial than heavier weight for less reps

    The amount of muscle you put on during a bulk isn't near as much as what you think (unless you go lean bulk maybe?)

    Me pesonally, I don't see the point of lifting heavy on squats/deadlifts anymore. I've had Osgood Schlatter and other knee problems and don't see why I would risk any pain or injury when I can just do lighter weight more reps
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    Originally Posted by Cjjlpsp View Post
    If you're not doing full ROM, you're a *******. How hard is that to understand?
    Full ROM isn't always the best way, brah. Especially when we're talking heavy bench presses.
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    So you think doing negatives on bench with close to your 1RM with someone spotting you is good for your shoulders?
    No of course not. I think negatives on bench in general are a pretty terrible idea but not solely because they put too much stress on the shoulders

    Stress on the shoulder during a bench press comes from flaring too early and pushing the bar back and over the shoulders. Just putting it into a simple sentence. Like I said, its a form issue
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    So you think doing negatives on bench with close to your 1RM with someone spotting you is good for your shoulders?
    If you maintain proper form, the risk decreases. Injuries generally happen from form breakdown. Half repping is not proper form, and is more likely to get you injured than what you just suggested
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    Originally Posted by AngusPeppered View Post
    I can second that bar bench phuks up your shoulders. I had a 355 flat bar bench max when I was 18 and after about a year after it started tweaking my shoulder when I lifted remotely heavy (225 for reps). I don't even bar bench anymore. Only dumbbell bench which surprisingly doeesn't tweak my shoulders. I'm pretty positive my technique was good too I just don't think there's anything you can do when you start getting up to that heavy weight.

    I was pretty clueless on dieting before the misc. I'm cutting now until I get low BF for the first time in my life and never realized how simple it really was (tracking macros and only having cutting 500 calories less each day). Going along with this I thought that if I just kept putting on weight that my lifts would keep increasing linearly but eventually you reach your limit. I could easily weigh 300 if I wanted but I don't think if I bulked from my current weight of 240 (at 6'1) I would put on much more muscle strength at this point.

    Sometimes lifting lighter weight for more reps can be more beneficial than heavier weight for less reps

    The amount of muscle you put on during a bulk isn't near as much as what you think (unless you go lean bulk maybe?)

    Me pesonally, I don't see the point of lifting heavy on squats/deadlifts anymore. I've had Osgood Schlatter and other knee problems and don't see why I would risk any pain or injury when I can just do lighter weight more reps

    You're gonna make it. Had Osgood Schlatter as a teen and Patellar Tendinopathy in both knees as an adult. I rehabbed it myself though as the current protocol for Patellar Tendinopathy is antiquated and doesn't work. Knees are good as new.
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    learn to read you dumb faqqot. I said for HEAVY LIFTING...meaning that if you are consistently repping with HEAVY bench, you are doing your shoulders a disservice by constantly doing full ROM. Learn how to read dumbass.
    Incorrect, benching with poor form causes shoulder problems benching with correct form full ROM does not damage the shoulders. Decline is much worse on the shoulders because people allow their shoulders to rise upwards causing strain to be put directly on the shoulder.


    Originally Posted by AngusPeppered View Post
    I can second that bar bench phuks up your shoulders. I had a 355 flat bar bench max when I was 18 and after about a year after it started tweaking my shoulder when I lifted remotely heavy (225 for reps). I don't even bar bench anymore. Only dumbbell bench which surprisingly doeesn't tweak my shoulders. I'm pretty positive my technique was good too I just don't think there's anything you can do when you start getting up to that heavy weight.
    You may be positive that your technique was good, but I guarantee that you are wrong.
    It'd be like staying fat while running marathons because it's more impressive to finish a marathon when you're overweight. It might be impressive in the short run, but in the long run it just doesn't make any sense. ~breathinglife

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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    No of course not. I think negatives on bench in general are a pretty terrible idea but not solely because they put too much stress on the shoulders

    Stress on the shoulder during a bench press comes from flaring too early and pushing the bar back and over the shoulders. Just putting it into a simple sentence. Like I said, its a form issue
    Well, most people have NO idea on how to bench properly for 'power'. They think they shouldn't be tucking or don't even know that they should tuck once they start getting closer to their 1 RM.
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    Well, most people have NO idea on how to bench properly for 'power'. They think they shouldn't be tucking or don't even know that they should tuck once they start getting closer to their 1 RM.
    So you admit it's 100% a form issue and that your original post was full retard

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    Originally Posted by ShortDave View Post
    Incorrect, benching with poor form causes shoulder problems benching with correct form full ROM does not damage the shoulders. Decline is much worse on the shoulders because people allow their shoulders to rise upwards causing strain to be put directly on the shoulder.

    You may be positive that your technique was good, but I guarantee that you are wrong.
    I absolutely disagree that decline bench is bad for the shoulders. It puts the chest in a pre-stretched position, you don't have to go down as far, it's easier to engage the lats to help with the lift, etc. And, it targets the actual chest muscles better according to EEG scans. And, outside of bouncing the bar off of your chest, you can't cheat on decline by using your lower body like you can on flat bench.
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    Originally Posted by Cjjlpsp View Post
    So you admit it's 100% a form issue and that your original post was full retard

    Thanks for playing OP

    Seriously man, you have a reading comprehension problem. Why do you think I even stated what I initially stated? If you flare your elbows out on 1rm the same as you would when you're warming up to stretch the chest of course it could be problematic. You are misconstruing what I am saying. THe heavier you go, the more stress and the greater chances of injury on bench or any exercise. The exercise itself is not inherently dangerous--it's the weight associated with it coupled with time under tension, frequency, ROM, etc. If you're consistently going HEAVY (let's say 85% of your 1RM for argument's sake) for your bench workouts and you're doing full reps then you are increasing your chances of fuking up your shoulders.
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    half of this stuff is bull****
    Been doing this longer than you've been alive. I'm not here to please or appease anyone. I couldn't care less if you think it's bullchit and I'm a charlatan.
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    I absolutely disagree that decline bench is bad for the shoulders. It puts the chest in a pre-stretched position, you don't have to go down as far, it's easier to engage the lats to help with the lift, etc. And, it targets the actual chest muscles better according to EEG scans. And, outside of bouncing the bar off of your chest, you can't cheat on decline by using your lower body like you can on flat bench.
    It CAN be completely fine for the shoulders as long as you are strong enough to keep your scapulae retracted and down away from your ears, but since most people can't do that on a flat bench how could they be expected to do it on a decline?
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    Movements from the floor are the best way to stimulate testosterone production. Deadlifts, other power lifts, are the best overall body exercises you can do. They create a synergistic affect throughout the entire body.
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    Yo OP, you taking all these responses way too seriously, but thanks.. going to buy bunch of ice and saran wrap my body with it while working out.
    Take hot and cold showers. Hot for a minute. Cold for a minute. Do it for 15 minutes and report back to me. Finish with cold. Do it after your workouts.
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    Been doing this longer than you've been alive. I'm not here to please or appease anyone. I couldn't care less if you think it's bullchit and I'm a charlatan.
    Time doing something does not make you knowledgeable, I have been excelling at the bench press for longer than you have. I have zero bench press related shoulder issues. I do have a shoulder problem that I received doing a muscle up, since I do my presses with correct form, my shoulder issue doesn't effect my ability to bench heavy.
    It'd be like staying fat while running marathons because it's more impressive to finish a marathon when you're overweight. It might be impressive in the short run, but in the long run it just doesn't make any sense. ~breathinglife

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    brb not using the leg pads on lat pull downs and end up just doing pull ups on the machine
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    That's because you're 21 and don't know chit. Srs. I've been doing this longer than you've been alive. Pay attention sonny and you just might learn something. Pop a Ritalin is you have to ADHD having faqqot.
    Doesnt matter if you've been doing it for longer if your still wrong.

    Every exercise has risks if using improper form, so don't single out bench. Not using full ROM only increases imbalances and loss of flexibility thus causing more injuries.
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    lold at most of these

    brb not using the leg pads on lat pull downs and end up just doing pull ups on the machine
    I would run circles around you in the gym
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    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    The barbell shoulder press is a glorified triceps exercise--learn how to do Scott presses correctly
    Scott Press is an Iso exercise. Standard shoulder press works more muscles. Interesting exercise nonetheless if you want to target.

    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    The closer your heels are to your glutes the more you can isolate your soleus muscles--the largest muscles in the calves. Most calf raise machines that target the soleus are piss poor and the efficacy is lagging. Unfortunately there isn't a machine on the market to target these muscles better until I invent one.
    Thanks for tip. I did long distance running and my calves are naturally VERY lean from it. Ill try and do like tippy toe extensions in the squat position and see if i can work that muscle.


    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    Maxing out benching and doing negatives with full ROM is a sure-fire way to shoulder injuries. After 90 degrees, the shoulders take on more of the stress of the bench movement. You're better off doing towel bench or decline bench if you're going heavy often. Also, weighted dips while working in the last 1/3 of the movement is a sure-fire way to screw up your shoulders. Most lifters do WAY too much 'front' and this is how they end up with shoulder problems
    Max anything is a sure fire way to destroy yourself unless you on dat magic healing tech. I wish i knew about weighted dips, that did me in. I was doing 120lb dips FULL rom and holding in the bottom position. Ended up with bad left shoulder. Good info!


    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    Exercising in the cold is a good way to burn fat. Any time the body has to generate heat to make up for cold temperatures, it uses stored bodyfat to do so. It is called thermogenesis. You don't even have to work out hard in the cold--walking will suffice. So, if you live where it's cold out, a morning/evening walk will help you keep your fat under control easier.
    Interesting again. Some people wear sweaters to get more dry. Body will obviously burn more in the cold to keep you going. And the huge bonus of that extra energy from being warm blooded creatures. Im not sure how this works with injuries though?


    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    Movements from the floor are the best way to stimulate testosterone production. Deadlifts, other power lifts, are the best overall body exercises you can do. They create a synergistic affect throughout the entire body.
    Any science behind this? Sounds like more of a general rule of More Rom, more effort, more test. I feel that lower body workouts help with test, especially thigh areas.


    Originally Posted by DrFlexologist View Post
    Perpetual movement is the best way to get in 'shape'. All the average gym-goer wants to do is get in better shape yet virtually nobody knows how to do this correctly. It's simple--sitting is one of the worst things you can do for your health. We sit at the computer all day at our jobs. We sit in our car to and from work. We sit in front of the tv. And then we lie in bed for eight hours. And if we go to the gym, guess what? We are likely sitting on equipment doing our exercises--which basically defeats the purpose. If you want to get in shape, move around. Throw medicine balls, do burpees, push a sled with weights on it, do walking lunges, etc. Anything except sitting doing a nautilus circuit because the stupid ass personal trainer you hired told you that's what you should do while he sits there and watches you do it. You want results, you have to move your body.
    Sounds like more effort = more results.

    Some interesting info nonetheless. Repped
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    I would run circles around you in the gym
    well thank you for such an informed opinion, if only i'd seen this thread when i first started lifting
















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    Originally Posted by shortharry01 View Post
    Doesnt matter if you've been doing it for longer if your still wrong.

    Every exercise has risks if using improper form, so don't single out bench. Not using full ROM only increases imbalances and loss of flexibility thus causing more injuries.

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