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02-03-2016, 12:58 PM #91
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02-03-2016, 01:07 PM #93
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02-03-2016, 01:20 PM #94
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Do you guys honestly mean to suggest that you think that the 2.5 grams of glutamine or the 1 gram of Citrulline Malate in Xtend may be to blame for the blunting of fat loss?
You really think that could be it?
If you really do, then you better not forget the chance that the whopping 640 mg of Vitamin B6 may be the culprit.
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02-03-2016, 01:24 PM #95
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02-03-2016, 01:29 PM #96
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I can see it now. Another supp company that sells a bcaa product, that does not include these rather inert/marginally supported compounds will run a study that shows their product does not blunt fat loss, and then they will blame xtend's "extras" for that? Well, maybe that would work, if any other supp companies actually paid to run studies. I'm not holding my breath for any such bcaa-only study. Scivation obviously doesn't have an interest in that, and most other supp companies just make wild claims about the abilities of free form bcaas, without any solid support, or citations to studies that mismatch protein.
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02-03-2016, 01:32 PM #97
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02-03-2016, 02:17 PM #98
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02-03-2016, 11:06 PM #99
If we would believe the study results.
If we would believe the study results the guys consuming ~250 calories less than the Xtend group lost ~5 pounds more weight than the Xtend group.
If we would believe the study results >80kg well trained guys working out 4x per week didn't lose significant weight while consuming ~2400 calories.
The much more logical explanation: they didn't stick to their diets. And it was especially the Xtend group that didn't stick to their diet (which they were supposed to prepare and eat by themselves at home). Probably because they were more hungry as their calories were lower. This has been shown over and over again in science: self reported calories tend to be very unreliable.
Simply said the fact that the Xtend group didn't lose weight means they were eating at maintenance, which also explains why they increased LBM.
This means that what Stu Phillips concluded in his 2015 review is probably still accurate: "Despite the popularity of BCAA supplements we find shockingly little evidence for their efficacy in promoting MPS or lean mass gains and would advise the use of intact proteins as opposed to a purified combination of BCAA that appear to antagonize each other in terms of transport both into circulation and likely into the muscle."
http://journal.frontiersin.org/artic...015.00245/full
Besides the inaccuracies in calorie reporting, it might be because whey has a higher thermic effect than BCAAs. A few studies now have shown more fat loss with more whey.
Whey is also better at stimulating MPS and retaining lean mass.Last edited by Mrpb; 02-03-2016 at 11:16 PM.
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02-04-2016, 06:44 AM #102
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02-15-2016, 03:44 PM #104
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02-15-2018, 10:14 AM #106
BUMP FROM THE GRAVE
Trying to see if anything really happened with this.
I see this was published:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4865017/
Is that it? The original study stands as published, and they just got to publish a critique? Should the original study be considered for retraction?Founder of PricePlow - Bodybuilding.com Affiliate
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