No Miscer has ever given a good reason to believe in God

[EffYourself]

Looking at all of the "do you believe in God" threads that get posted, I have never seen a miscer give a good reason to believe in God. Their arguments are usually based on a gross misunderstanding of science, Pascal's wager (it should be obvious why this is a bad reason to believe in God), or the usual "omg how could you not believe". I have never seen a miscer say, "you know what, there is no evidence for God. But I just can't help but believe in it". At least I could respect that position (somewhat). But other wise, it's a bunch of idiots believing in God for stupid reasons.

BTW, I am speaking about an Abrahamic God.

[Tune5k]

eff yourself

[FacetheMusic]

eff yourself

[Ironmanlet]

eff yourself

eff yourself

pretty much the best reasons the misc can give.


also, "I am better than you because I believe in God and you don't"

that is used quite a bit. but subconsciously.

there is no good reason to believe in any god that has been explained so far in human history.

[EffYourself]

Would like someone that believes in God to please give a good reason. I am waiting.

[imperialmisc]

I'm agnostic. Here's how I see it.

There's no evidence for or against god. I personally view evidence for god being the complexity of the universe and don't believe that everything was some big accident. It's also interesting that the mitochondrial cell can be placed all the way back through time to one person.

Most atheists look so smugly upon people who believe and come across as total hipsters. I'm not saying there aren't religious people who act the same way, but in today's age it's not "cool" to be Christian anymore.

Religious people have faith in a god just as everyday people have faith in other things. You don't KNOW your car will start when you turn the engine or that your SO isn't out slooting on you right now.. you're relying on faith.

[bliggles5]

Threads like these make me calvinistic

[mattj15]

Looking at all of the "do you believe in God" threads that get posted, I have never seen a miscer give a good reason to believe in God. Their arguments are usually based on a gross misunderstanding of science, Pascal's wager (it should be obvious why this is a bad reason to believe in God), or the usual "omg how could you not believe". I have never seen a miscer say, "you know what, there is no evidence for God. But I just can't help but believe in it". At least I could respect that position (somewhat). But other wise, it's a bunch of idiots believing in God for stupid reasons.

BTW, I am speaking about an Abrahamic God.

The Bible in itself is a complete impossibility without the direct hand of God. The prophecies, the numerology, the fulfillment is impossible not to mention we have over 5,000 manuscripts directly from Antioch in the received text.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools


You are without excuse, OP.

[KevinHarvick]

Most atheists look so smugly upon people who believe and come across as total hipsters. I'm not saying there aren't religious people who act the same way, but in today's age it's not "cool" to be Christian anymore.

Religious people have faith in a god just as everyday people have faith in other things. You don't KNOW your car will start when you turn the engine or that your SO isn't out slooting on you right now.. you're relying on faith.

As an agnostic, you lost me here. I know how to fix said car if it doesn't start and I know how to fix said sloot if slooting. Doesn't require a bit of faith, just some ingenuity.

[ihavetomakeit]

there is no definite answer either way so whats the point in arguing over it? guess im one of the few that only debates things when there's a potential answer one way or the other. otherwise you are spinning your wheels. also dont care to push my beliefs on anyone or change theirs. live and let live. (agnostic if you care to know)

[eatyourspinach]

It gives me hope that there is more to life than simply existing until our bodies deteriorate and we die, I like to feel like there is a higher being that has a plan for all that happens. I don't disregard science in any way and I don't take the Bible as literally as some people but I believe that it can teach us some good.

[RihanM]

You know what, there is no evidence for God. But I just can't help but believe in it

[imperialmisc]

As an agnostic, you lost me here. I know how to fix said car if it doesn't start and I know how to fix said sloot if slooting. Doesn't require a bit of faith, just some ingenuity.

The fact that you know how to fix it is irrelevant. You don't know if it will start or if she will sloot is the point.

[EffYourself]

The Bible in itself is a complete impossibility without the direct hand of God. The prophecies, the numerology, the fulfillment is impossible not to mention we have over 5,000 manuscripts directly from Antioch in the received text.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools


You are without excuse, OP.

The Bible contradicts the theory of evolution. Evolution is a fact. Therefore the Bible contains a massive contradiction. I would say a fatal contradiction.


EDIT: I could probably also argue against the so-called prophesies, but my argument is already sufficient.

[KevinHarvick]

The fact that you know how to fix it is irrelevant. You don't know if it will start or if she will sloot is the point.

But, science has taught me both. I'm not just going to pray that the car starts when it simply will not start. Needs fuel/spark/air. I can narrow it down and find the solution.

[UberAlles]

all the "evidence" given just shows there could be a god like being, not a god like the one described in the religious texts

if the christian/islamic god existed, both texts wouldn't be riddled with inaccuracies and just straight up stupid ass logic

like heaven in the bible has FINITE DIMENSIONS

[PatThePatriot]

You'll believe when you die. But by then it'll be too late

[imperialmisc]

The Bible contradicts the theory of evolution. Evolution is a fact. Therefore the Bible contains a massive contradiction. I would say a fatal contradiction.

The bible is broken into two parts. The OT and NT, the OT isn't supposed to be taken as a literal event.

Evolution and the Abrahamic god actually do not contradict each other.

[EffYourself]

all the "evidence" given just shows there could be a god like being, not a god like the one described in the religious texts

if the christian/islamic god existed, both texts wouldn't be riddled with inaccuracies and just straight up stupid ass logic

Exactly. I just want to clarify again, I am only arguing right now against an Abrahamic God.

[gearze2]

I'm not religious but I respect the universe and it complexity.

You don't have to believe in a figure God (religion)
You can pray to your own personal God in your image you created.

At the end its all about giving yourself and be vulneurable, I can't say I don't believe in any "GOD" or "supreme universe" cuz my ego will get too big and I'll find myself an animal created by random process of evolution living in the harsh World of competing with 9/10 6ft+ "animal" and I get depressed and resort to rotting.

Cliff:
- praying and being honest with yourself
- having a sense of a guide watching over and guiding you

Or you can just imagine waking up in the middle of the ocean with no drylands around you. The water is so deep when you swim under it you just see the dark ocean. You're scared chitless of being isolated and eaten by creatures underwater, that's when you start praying to whoever can save you.

[EffYourself]

The bible is broken into two parts. The OT and NT, the OT isn't supposed to be taken as a literal event.

Evolution and the Abrahamic god actually do not contradict each other.

But this is one of my problems with it. It is written as a literal event. Now that we know that it is bullsh!t, people want to say that it isn't suppose to be taken literally. Sounds very much like a cop out to me.

And besides that, there is still no good reason to believe in God. No sufficient evidence. When I believe in a scientific theory, the leap of faith that I take is MUCH, MUCH smaller than the leap of faith required to believe in God.

[KevinHarvick]

You'll believe when you die. But by then it'll be too late

Which God are we choosing again? I wanna make sure I get it correct. Do I want the 72 virgins or not to have a fire under me?

[Ironmanlet]

I'm agnostic. Here's how I see it.

There's no evidence for or against god. I personally view evidence for god being the complexity of the universe and don't believe that everything was some big accident. It's also interesting that the mitochondrial cell can be placed all the way back through time to one person.

Most atheists look so smugly upon people who believe and come across as total hipsters. I'm not saying there aren't religious people who act the same way, but in today's age it's not "cool" to be Christian anymore.

Religious people have faith in a god just as everyday people have faith in other things. You don't KNOW your car will start when you turn the engine or that your SO isn't out slooting on you right now.. you're relying on faith.

The Bible in itself is a complete impossibility without the direct hand of God. The prophecies, the numerology, the fulfillment is impossible not to mention we have over 5,000 manuscripts directly from Antioch in the received text.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools


You are without excuse, OP.

see thisVVVVV

The Bible contradicts the theory of evolution. Evolution is a fact. Therefore the Bible contains a massive contradiction. I would say a fatal contradiction.


EDIT: I could probably also argue against the so-called prophesies, but my argument is already sufficient.

The bible makes many claims about the world that are completely wrong. Proven to be wrong.

It also does not discuss many proven facts that are relevant.

It simply mimics the mindset of the people who wrote it, just like every religion before.


-conservation of angular momentum is a fact

-evolution is a fact

-the virgin birth is a lie

-the exodus is a lie

-noahs flood is a lie

-the big bang is a fact

-gravity is a fact

-the resurrection is a lie

-the story of adam and eve is a lie

-string theory is a fact

et cetera et cetera et cetera

[anonymous]

You know what, there is no evidence for God. But I just can't help but believe in it

This really. Can't prove or disprove God, but when I think about death I occasionally think "when we die that's it, that's the end", but after thinking this way for a while, for reasons I cannot explain if find myself thinking "fuk, no you don't." This isn't from a fear of death or anything, I just feel like I know it in my intuition. Quite weird, but everytime I drift away from my beliefs I find myself being sucked back in, like I knew it all along.

EDIT: Weirdest thing I've ever put on the misc. Reading it back it seems like I'm high.

This is actually pretty accurate of how I feel...

[Godfrey1200]

Miscers are the true idiots for believing in this God/Devil BS which frankly no one gives a **** about. Why do people ponder to such trivial things. Like this God hasn't done a damn thing for me. Who cares if he exists or not no one gives a flying ****.

[imperialmisc]

But, science has taught me both. I'm not just going to pray that the car starts when it simply will not start. Needs fuel/spark/air. I can narrow it down and find the solution.

It's just one example but it's just an analogy brah.

I could also do this:

Ask you: "Have you been to China?"
You: (Yes/no answer)

If you answer yes, I could ask you how you know the place you actually visited was China? Because you bought a ticket from the airline that said you went to China? Because when you got off the plane a sign said you were in China? How can you prove you were actually in China?

You're still using faith that you were in China. Anyways I'm not trying to convince anyone one way or the other I just think this stuff is interesting.

I can use your argument of narrowing it down and finding a solution, and narrowing everything down to find a solution, we could use science as evidence for God using physics and the order of mathematics, and come to the understanding that if we do that we must understand that something cannot be created from nothingness, and that even if the universe was created from one big "accident", that there still had to be "something" to spark the accident.

[UberAlles]

i've never heard any theist approach this logic either

1. god is omniscient and can therefore anticipate every decision any human makes

2. this makes the decision of whether a human believes in god irrelevant as no matter the decision god has already seen it

3. no point in heaven or hell or the human existing in the first place as his fate is already sealed and predetermined by the time he/she is born

[ZPGLazarus]

No Miscer has ever given a good reason to believe in God

Apparently you haven't been in the R/P section...

[OnTheLaptop]

I believe in God and it's personal. Can't really explain it. I think its sad that many people don't believe in God, but I respect their decision.
Why do you need someone to prove it to you? If you are comfortable with your beliefs then you don't need to debate this topic like I see a lot of athiest miscers do all the time.

[Ironmanlet]

This really. Can't prove or disprove God, but when I think about death I occasionally think "when we die that's it, that's the end", but after thinking this way for a while, for reasons I cannot explain if find myself thinking "fuk, no you don't." This isn't from a fear of death or anything, I just feel like I know it in my intuition. Quite weird, but everytime I drift away from my beliefs I find myself being sucked back in, like I knew it all along.

modern neurology explains how we are able to perceive and observe our surrounding environment through our senses and central nervous system. It also explains how we get our sense of self.

It explains that when we die, these central nervous functions are not working anymore.

I need you to understand what you are saying for a minute. (because you clearly have not thought this through)

Throughout peoples lives, they experience mental conditions that limit their cognitive abilities (their "I") . People get concussions and and have strokes or different illness that change who they are.

They forget memories, they can't recognize their families, they have restricted self awareness and so on.


But here is the kicker.

When we destroy our brain in its entirety in the form of death, we somehow maintain all of our cognitive abilities (even though they are functions of our brain), in its entirety.

This is what you believe. Simply because you don't want to consider an everlasting non-existance.