lost the Vietnam war.
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11-05-2015, 05:08 PM #70
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There are two radically different histories of WW II, the one that was actually fought, and the one where the US kicked everyone's assess. Guess which one Cold War-era classrooms were allowed to teach? Here's a hint: It's the same one Hollywood chose to film.
World War II wasn't just a clever name. It was a global conflict that included epic acts of heroism by non-Americans like the storming of Madagascar, the Battle of Westerplatte, the Battle of Moscow, the Battle of Kursk, the epically badass Kokoda Track, the pilots of the Polish Underground State, the details of El Alamein or the HMS Bulldog. Of course, Americans never hear about any of those unless, as in the case of the classic submarine film U 571, the characters are just straight up switched to Americans. To quote George S. Patton: "Americans love a winner," which you know because you saw Patton, the film that portrayed Field Marshal Bernard "Rommel-killer" Montgomery like a buffoon simply because he was British.
However, there is one Zangief-sized elephant in the room that America loved to leave out of conversation until the end of the Cold War: the Soviet Union. The "Great Patriotic War" as they called it was the single largest military operation in history, and home to perhaps the biggest turning-point of the war: the Battle of Stalingrad.
Understand, the Russia versus Germany part of the war wasn't just a little more important than the part the USA was involved in. It was "four times the scale" of the whole Western front, larger than all other phases of the war put together. The Soviet military suffered 8 million soldiers dead, more than 20 freaking times the number of U.S. casualties.
Sounds pretty brutal for a John Wayne movie? Try figuring in another 13.7 million dead civilians.
It's tragic how many kids in the West never heard these stories growing up. One platoon leader in the Red Army named Yakov Pavlov personally rigged a Stalingrad apartment building with enough landmines, rifles and mortars to hold off half the Nazi army. The building was under fire day and night and even had some civilians in the basement, but the fortress never fell. Pavlov himself picked off one dozen tanks from the beast.
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11-05-2015, 05:13 PM #72
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But you're not too good against Canada.. (War of 1812)
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USA - 0PIPPIN: I didn't think it would end this way.
GANDALF: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it.
PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what?
GANDALF: White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
PIPPIN: Well, that isn't so bad.
GANDALF: No. No, it isn't.
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11-05-2015, 05:16 PM #73
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Positioning relative to main theatres of combat
Large population
Large resource base
Profits from WW1
I wouldn`t say they are so good.
They however came off best from both world wars so I guess if you look at it from the angle of who comes out the the best obviously is the best at it then you would be right.
There were great feats achieved throughout both wars each with their own merits. However it`s hard to discredit the Germans considering what they were up agains and how close to succedding they came.
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11-05-2015, 05:21 PM #74
WW1 was a tie - no foreign troops in Germany
WW2 was Ultimately Won by Stalin. People ignored he helped Hitler and he was then allowed to put up the Iron Wall
USA was without question the biggest Financial winner of the 2 Wars. But has the USA accomplished much over the past 75 years with that advantage?
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11-05-2015, 06:08 PM #87
Meh,
We need to be humble bros.
how can we brag about winning world wars when we lost ****lia, Vietnam, Beruit and eventually Iraq will be considered a loss as well.
That kind of arrogance was a huge contributing factor to losses in these areas.
If we are victorious, we need to be quiet professionals. Do the job and be done. Winning a war may be necessary, but the only aspect of it that should be celebrated is that our troops are coming home. There is nothing spectacular about demolishing people.
Been in 12 years and will continue to serve proudly until my time is up. But I won't celebrate anything I have ever done or will ever do out of necessity when it comes to war.I only read thread titles and my own posts.
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11-05-2015, 06:10 PM #88
A big part was the military technology the US received from Great Britain as part of the lend-lease act. Mainly the radar that allowed the US to detect and therefore destroy German uboats allowing safe transport between the US and Britain. And also code breaking ability that led to the US decoding Japan's attack on midway allowing them to properly counter and destroy the Japanese aircraft carriers.
Also luck that their aircraft carriers were not at Pearl Harbor at the time of attack.
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11-05-2015, 06:16 PM #89JakeB27Guest
The Russians are the true alphas of ww2. Just lol at America taking all the credit.
I forgot the correct term for it, but it's scary to think about some of the tactics Russia used. Sending wave after wave of men to get killed only to gain the slightest amount of ground on the Germans until they finally got close enough to kill them. I always gets the feels when thinking about it
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