Hard gainer looking for some supplement advice

[hcharri]

I am a hard gainer. I have lifted for a while being a college tennis player and it was tough to gain weight because of the high cardio demands. I am done with that now and want to put on some muscle. Below are the supplements I am considering taking. I am about to get on Jim Stoppani's Shortcut to Size program as well.

Supplements:

Jym Pre Jym
ON Whey
ON Casein
ON Multivitamin

anything else I should consider? I have tried mass gainers in the past but i felt like I gained more fat than muscle on them so I would like to stay away from those if possible.

thanks!

[Ripper908]

If you're a "hard gainer" focus on eating higher calorie foods instead of supplements. I personally take no supplements other than a preworkout. It's really not that hard to get in all your protein from whole foods.

Make home made weight gain shakes using bananas, oats, milk, and peanut butter
Choose fattier cuts of meat and don't be afraid of a little junk food


If you thought you were gaining too much fat before, track your calories and eat a small calorie surplus over your tdee and be patient. Muscle doesn't grow instantly

[sharkbite]

^ good post there.
You should really track your macro's even if it's only for a week or month. Your post sounds like your not hitting the proper amount of in take if you want progression

[Represente]

Drop the casein to save yourself some money.

Also, I'd suggest adding some creatine, and possibly fish oil if you don't eat fish much.

Gaining weight and muscle is going to come down to being in a caloric surplus. Yes, you will gain some fat and that's normal. As long as you stay around 500 calories above maintenance you should be fine tho and won't overdue it.

[WolfBeast]

Creatine-if you're looking for an unflavored one Muscle Pharm is running a deal right now, buy 2 save $4

[faipdeooiad]

Hard gainer is a marketing term for 'not eating enough'

[joakman]

Drop the casein to save yourself some money.

Also, I'd suggest adding some creatine, and possibly fish oil if you don't eat fish much.

Gaining weight and muscle is going to come down to being in a caloric surplus. Yes, you will gain some fat and that's normal. As long as you stay around 500 calories above maintenance you should be fine tho and won't overdue it.

Couldn't have said it much better, exactly right.

[ajej4780]

Hard gainer is a marketing term for 'not eating enough'

This lol. Eat, eat, eat. Get some creatine and eat more. Then eat some more. I struggle here too.

[CodyHill4]

Drop the casein.

If you're dead set on having whey and casein you can still have your cake and eat it too while saving money.

Give Trutein a shot, its one of the best tasting proteins I've ever had and its 40%/40%/20% whey/casein/egg protein powder. So if you want a faster digesting protein along with something a little slower.. thats your 3 in 1. Flavors are beyond :http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bo...chterm=trutein

Another good option would be PES select, or Grenade Hydra 6 for that whey/casein.

Everything else looks solid

For 1 scoop of pre jym youre getting 2g of Creatine HCL - You could add in 2-3g of creatine mono per day on top of that. Could also give something like White Rapids + green mag or just regular creatine mono a shot if you wanted to save money.
A fish oil supp might also be beneficial depending on what your diet looks like. Aim for 2-3g combined of epa/dha. Nordic Naturals Ultimate, MT 4x Fish oil, CL oxiomega, or Jym Fish oil are all great options for that.

[XCriticalBenchX]

Hard gainer is a marketing term for 'not eating enough'

This.. and drop the casein.

Mike

[mtownballer20]

Track your calories. Know your maintenance caloric intake. Eat 300-500 calories more than your maintanence.

Would suggest having a solid multi, fish oil, and protein powder if needed or wanted