If Dorian Yates at his best competed today...

[brendanh32]

How do you think he would do?

[henchhulk]

Blow Phil away in all honesty.

[Gorky88]

At their best it would still be kind of close but Phil wouldnt have the same kind of width and density in all poses like Dorian did.

Over the years, I always had mixed feelings about these two and how they fared. Phil's 2010 AC, 2011 and 2013. Olympia packages were pretty awesome but dorian just carried more mass and was a more dominating guy until he started declining at the last 2 years of his carrer

[RockyTheKid]

The 90's were much more competitive than today. So if Dorian reigned supreme back then, he'd do the same today. Dorian's thin skin, hardness and graininess would blow away today's "balloon-like" physiques.

Point simple, point blank.

[henchhulk]

Dorian was a guy with 23 inch calves (most pro's since have more like 15 inches), a side tricep pose where his arm/shoulder looked as wide from the side as a Shawn Ray period from the front (!), traps from the rear that looked almost unreal; like a motion photoshop and low and mid traps as dense as humanly possible, lats at their biggest girth at the lower insertion, and the first Mr O ever with a pair of thighs. He was something else. And the appearance of Dorian's muscle just looked a lot more granite and hard and powerful looking than everyone elses. You could squeeze a golf ball ball between his rock-hard compact dense pecs.

Not seen anything like him before or since, though Ronnie was freaky he was nowhere near as proportioned and complete as Yates (Ronnie's torso muscles just kind of hung down and his biceps were higher than his shoulders, glutes and stomach grossly oversized and calves grossly undersized, obliques nowhere near as clear as DY's etc).

[deathmetal1992]

I could see it going either way, both have their strengths and weaknesses. Dorian had the most amazing back in the history of the sport, but unfortunately his legs weren't the best. He is one of the few 90s guys whose conditioning would be on par with today's best.

2010 AC Phil or 2011 Mr.Olympia Phil vs 1993 Olympia Dorian or 1995 Olympia Dorian without the bicep tear

Pose by pose comparison

FDB-Close, could go either way imo, Dorian had a way better taper and calves, Phil has better quads and arms. Take your pick.

FLS-Dorian, even though Phil has a better lower body, Dorian's width would be too much for the current Mr.Olympia

SC-Phil hands down, lower body from the side is a little closer than from the front, but upper body isn't close

RDB-Now I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I give the nod to Phil. Why? Lower body is overall better (hams and glutes go to Phil, Dorian has him on calves), Phil's lower back is amazing, has better arms and delts. Dorian has him on back width and upper back. Close.

RLS-Dorian, his width would be too much for Phil to handle. Phil's other advantages aren't enough to catch up here.

ST-Very close, take your pick. Can go either way imo.

AT-Dorian hands down. Even though Phil has bigger quads, Dorian has a way better midsection.

MM-Phil. I don't think an explanation is needed here.

Poses are equal, as Dorian takes the FLS, RLS and AT. Phil takes the SC, RDB, MM. FDB and ST could go either way.

[henchhulk]

FDB is Phil's, ST is Dorian's, and RBD is most definitely Dorian's.

[endurancell]

I could see it going either way, both have their strengths and weaknesses. Dorian had the most amazing back in the history of the sport, but unfortunately his legs weren't the best. He is one of the few 90s guys whose conditioning would be on par with today's best.

2010 AC Phil or 2011 Mr.Olympia Phil vs 1993 Olympia Dorian or 1995 Olympia Dorian without the bicep tear

Pose by pose comparison

FDB-Close, could go either way imo, Dorian had a way better taper and calves, Phil has better quads and arms. Take your pick.

FLS-Dorian, even though Phil has a better lower body, Dorian's width would be too much for the current Mr.Olympia

SC-Phil hands down, lower body from the side is a little closer than from the front, but upper body isn't close

RDB-Now I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I give the nod to Phil. Why? Lower body is overall better (hams and glutes go to Phil, Dorian has him on calves), Phil's lower back is amazing, has better arms and delts. Dorian has him on back width and upper back. Close.

RLS-Dorian, his width would be too much for Phil to handle. Phil's other advantages aren't enough to catch up here.

ST-Very close, take your pick. Can go either way imo.

AT-Dorian hands down. Even though Phil has bigger quads, Dorian has a way better midsection.

MM-Phil. I don't think an explanation is needed here.

Poses are equal, as Dorian takes the FLS, RLS and AT. Phil takes the SC, RDB, MM. FDB and ST could go either way.

To be fair, their leg placements for the BDB are very different. Most 90's guys kept the legs closer together almost like the knees were falling into each other, like he's hitting it here.

Phil spreads his legs 5 feet apart when he poses because his legs are very undersized overall and he has a bigger inner thigh than anything else, which gives the illusion of larger quad/hamstring size

I think their legs would match up very well on stage, but Dorian definitely takes that pose

[bartosh]

I think he'd place second in all honesty.

Ronnie >> phil > dorian
Kai/Rhoden > wheeler/ray/levrone

[Jaixs]

I struggle with seeing how Yates would beat Heath. Straight judging perspective.

[henchhulk]

I think he'd place second in all honesty.

Ronnie >> phil > dorian
Kai/Rhoden > wheeler/ray/levrone

AC 93 Wheeler > Kai/Rhoden/Dexter/PHIL

Levrone was unbelieveable. Much rounder, fuller, longer muscle bellies than Rhoden and better condition, wider shoulders. Possibly the best MM poser ever, Levrone.

[blindsideflank]

To be fair, their leg placements for the BDB are very different. Most 90's guys kept the legs closer together almost like the knees were falling into each other, like he's hitting it here.

Phil spreads his legs 5 feet apart when he poses because his legs are very undersized overall and he has a bigger inner thigh than anything else, which gives the illusion of larger quad/hamstring size

I think their legs would match up very well on stage, but Dorian definitely takes that pose

No fair, Phil's pic is closer to me

[IngeKJ]

Depends how he would look without using diuretics. The guys today cant use what he did so who knows what he would look like besides Heath

[NVious]

Dozza>Phil in general.

11 Phil could probably take the worse versions of Dorian, but it'd be a good battle.

[Iceman1981]

Huge Phil fan here, but Dorian would win in my opinion or at least go either way depending on what the judges are looking for.

[JaxVilleNick]

dorian. just as good conditioning as phil (if not better) and bigger.

[aussieryan]

Dorian, pretty convincingly I believe. Phil has an awesome physique, but the same reasons Dorian beat Flex, Shawn Ray and Levrone are the same reasons why he would beat Phil. Granted Phil brings better conditioning than they did he would still be considerably out massed, his proportion and structure wouldn't compare to Dorian and their conditioning would be about equal (if not in favour of Dorian because there seemed to be a denser look to his muscles that Phil just doesn't have).

[BartPimpson]

Depends on what the judges are looking for.

If Dorian and Phil competed 10 times I think Dorian might win 6 or 7.

[littlearm]

Dorian was a guy with 23 inch calves (most pro's since have more like 15 inches)

Citation?

[Unbiasedfan]

Depends how he would look without using diuretics. The guys today cant use what he did so who knows what he would look like besides Heath

Yes, the IFBB is very strict on their drug tests.

[x-trainer ben]

Citation?

He made it up like much in that paragraph.

[x-trainer ben]

Many people look great alone or in the bathroom mirror, but it is that freaky 3d look that puts Phil ahead of many of the others.
I don't recall another with the popping 3d look

[Unbiasedfan]

Many people look great alone or in the bathroom mirror, but it is that freaky 3d look that puts Phil ahead of many of the others.
I don't recall another with the popping 3d look

There is this guy named ronnie, he sure did pop



3d pop is nothing but an overused term to define someone that is thick and full from all angles.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I could see it going either way.

[Larfleeze]

93 Dorian vs 15 Phil?

I have it:

FDB - Dorian
FLS - Dorian
Ab Thigh - Dorian
Side tri - Dorian
Side chest - Phil
BDB - Dorian
RLS - Dorian
MM - Phil

[Big Slim DaDDy]

2011 Phil.

[Unbiasedfan]

2011 Phil.

Today means 2015.

But 2011 is far more interesting. I always considered Phil to have a top 2-3 physique ever, but looking at dorian's vid's and considering he would be bigger than phil, i am not so sure. Number 2 is definitely a close fight between 2 or 3 jays, 2 or 3 dorians and phil 2011

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Today means 2015.

But 2011 is far more interesting. I always considered Phil to have a top 2-3 physique ever, but looking at dorian's vid's and considering he would be bigger than phil, i am not so sure. Number 2 is definitely a close fight between 2 or 3 jays, 2 or 3 dorians and phil 2011

4 years ago is close to today.

[x-trainer ben]

There is this guy named ronnie, he sure did pop



3d pop is nothing but an overused term to define someone that is thick and full from all angles.

Well Ronnie is Babe Ruth, Phil may be Mantle or Mays.

[Larfleeze]

4 years ago is close to today.

It's as far from it as 97 is from 93. We're talking current Phil vs prime Dorian. Phil 2015 is not 2011 Phil any more than 97 Dorian is 93 Dorian.