srs question, where does phil rank amongst all time greats?

[waddupi]

He just won his 5th straight olympia. Honestly, I have him at 5 amongst all time greats behind ronnie, yates, arnold and jay cutler. Though haney has 8 titles, his competitors were not as tough as phil's. I have to still put arnold up there in front phil simply because he is the godfather of bbuilding. I still have jay ahead of phil also simply because he is the most consistent bodybuilder ever by ranking at least 1st or 2nd at mr olympia for 11 years straight. Where do you guys rank phil amongst all time greats?

[Gorky88]

Top 10 ever

[x-trainer ben]

He just won his 5th straight olympia. Honestly, I have him at 5 amongst all time greats behind ronnie, yates, arnold and jay cutler. Though haney has 8 titles, his competitors were not as tough as phil's. I have to still put arnold up there in front phil simply because he is the godfather of bbuilding. I still have jay ahead of phil also simply because he is the most consistent bodybuilder ever by ranking at least 1st or 2nd at mr olympia for 11 years straight. Where do you guys rank phil amongst all time greats?

Well 5x world series champions, nba champs, or nfl champions makes for a dynasty, so to do it all in a row makes for a_______?

[spamy]

I don't know man, but I don't think Haney, Dorian or Arnold have ever talked in any of their winning speeches about not getting enough likes on their ******** pics and h8terz. This alone makes Phil greater than them.

[RobberBaron13]

Top 10 for sure, but not top 5 material imo( now or never), he just isnt dominant enough.
The likes of Sergio, Arnold, Haney, Dorian,Coleman even Cutler had contests in which they won as soon as they took to the stage.
Phil doesnt have the necessary frame or size to ever obliterate the competition like the guys above did in their day.

[nonamewut]

I don't know man, but I don't think Haney, Dorian or Arnold have ever talked in any of their winning speeches about not getting enough likes on their ******** pics and h8terz. This alone makes Phil greater than them.

kinda true, reminds me of jason genova abit

"how ppl can so cruel, ppl dislike you're vidoes, ppl are so malicious it ssgusting" "everyone hates me no one likes my videos"

[lethalandcruel]

You must be smoking crack, Haney kills phil in every single shot and he didn't have to use insulin, lmao.

[Skigazzi]

He's obviously amongst the greats, but I have trouble putting him in the top 5 because IMO, he never had a dominant victory...he kinda tied for 1st 5 times in a row, but tie breakers went to him. If Kai, Dex, and Shawn took one in th

Jay was gifted one, but Jay also looked insane in one (quad stomp), Ronnie was, well he was Ronnie, Arnold was Arnold, Haney has 8, and He crushed his era.

Its hard to put Heath over Dex for me, Dex's body of work is top 5 material.

This isnt Phil hate, its just what I think,

[Larfleeze]

Below Ronnie, Jay, Dorian, Kai, Dexter, Haney, Oliva and Arnold but above everyone else.

[deathmetal1992]

2011 Phil would beat everyone apart from prime Ronnie and Jay. I could see him being on par with Dorian.

[Canuck77]

Below Ronnie, Jay, Dorian, Kai, Dexter, Haney, Oliva and Arnold but above everyone else.

Sounds about right. I also go with top 10 but not top 5.

Even though Jay won 4 to Phil's 5, it's like people said, 11 years straight so 1st or 2nd not to mention that he battled arguably the GOAT all those years and then finally beat him.

I think Jay's '09 package is also one of the greatest showings of all time which definitely has merit among ranking.

[Misctake7]

Phil is great even with all his insecurities and feeling the need to stick it to his "haters". His 2011 physique is likely one of the best physiques all time but nobody can argue that Phil has gotten lucky in being gifted(no pun intended) a couple Olympia wins(2012, 2014). He has had tough competition though with Kai, Rhoden, Wolf, Dex, ect. I'd say he is a middle of the road champion that he is likely top 6-8 all time and would be taken much more seriously if he didn't come in off as often as he has. As a Mr. Olympia, he should be on top of his game each and every year. It's too bad nobody has come in good enough to sway the corrupt judges enough.

[letsthrive]

It's entirely subjective, but in my opinion, if every Olympian were to step on stage in their prime that Ronnie would be first and Phil would be second.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

His career isn't complete yet so it's kind of a moot to rank him among greats. When he wins 10 then you can make comparisons

[underdog2987]

I'd give Phil, top ten of all time, for now. Depends on how many more shows he wins.

[Nuki]

I agree career isn't over, but lets assume he doesn't win any more Olympias. Only 4 other people in the sport have more O titles than him. By that benchmark he's in the top 5 club. That being said he's never been dominant. None of Phil's showings have ever induced the reaction (and fear in his competitors) like what Ronnie or Dorian or Haney produced year after year. Arguably Phil's best showing is still below Dorian's best showing, and that's 20 years later. The "sport" has regressed. There are showings buy guys who competed in the 90s who would crap all over Heath, and those guys also never won Olympias.

I'll also rank Jay Cutler way ahead of Heath if Phil quit today. Jay doesn't have as many titles but he finished 2nd and pushed RC to the extreme in the 2000s so many times. And there's the 2009 Jay showing which also stomps anything Phil has shown in his career thusfar.

[ROMMYromboid]

He just won his 5th straight olympia. Honestly, I have him at 5 amongst all time greats behind ronnie, yates, arnold and jay cutler. Though haney has 8 titles, his competitors were not as tough as phil's. I have to still put arnold up there in front phil simply because he is the godfather of bbuilding. I still have jay ahead of phil also simply because he is the most consistent bodybuilder ever by ranking at least 1st or 2nd at mr olympia for 11 years straight. Where do you guys rank phil amongst all time greats?

I would put him just behind Kai, Kai has better overall proportions and muscle mass. Heath is close to Flex lewis, I would like to see a showdown between these two. I think Flex would have beaten heath this year to take the overall.

Team Romgle

[mikieson]

I'm not a huge fan of the Golden era of bodybuilding physiques other than really Arnold.. "If we talking winners".. They just weren't impressive to me. Didn't care for Dorian either. Haney, Dex, Phil, Arnold, and Coleman in no order.. Phil ranks up there just fine for me.

[waddupi]

I agree career isn't over, but lets assume he doesn't win any more Olympias. Only 4 other people in the sport have more O titles than him. By that benchmark he's in the top 5 club. That being said he's never been dominant. None of Phil's showings have ever induced the reaction (and fear in his competitors) like what Ronnie or Dorian or Haney produced year after year. Arguably Phil's best showing is still below Dorian's best showing, and that's 20 years later. The "sport" has regressed. There are showings buy guys who competed in the 90s who would crap all over Heath, and those guys also never won Olympias.

I'll also rank Jay Cutler way ahead of Heath if Phil quit today. Jay doesn't have as many titles but he finished 2nd and pushed RC to the extreme in the 2000s so many times. And there's the 2009 Jay showing which also stomps anything Phil has shown in his career thusfar.

I think 2011 phil would give 09 cutler a run for his money.

[waddupi]

I would put him just behind Kai, Kai has better overall proportions and muscle mass. Heath is close to Flex lewis, I would like to see a showdown between these two. I think Flex would have beaten heath this year to take the overall.

Team Romgle

We are talking about legacy here. Kai will just be remembered as the grapefruit but not as mr olympia. Thats like putting kd(o title) above kobe(5 titles)

[waddupi]

I agree career isn't over, but lets assume he doesn't win any more Olympias. Only 4 other people in the sport have more O titles than him. By that benchmark he's in the top 5 club. That being said he's never been dominant. None of Phil's showings have ever induced the reaction (and fear in his competitors) like what Ronnie or Dorian or Haney produced year after year. Arguably Phil's best showing is still below Dorian's best showing, and that's 20 years later. The "sport" has regressed. There are showings buy guys who competed in the 90s who would crap all over Heath, and those guys also never won Olympias.

I'll also rank Jay Cutler way ahead of Heath if Phil quit today. Jay doesn't have as many titles but he finished 2nd and pushed RC to the extreme in the 2000s so many times. And there's the 2009 Jay showing which also stomps anything Phil has shown in his career thusfar.

I think phil has at least 2 more olympia under his belt. I truly believe the kid dallas is the one who will eventually dethrone him.

[waddupi]

It's entirely subjective, but in my opinion, if every Olympian were to step on stage in their prime that Ronnie would be first and Phil would be second.

99/03 ronnie
09 jay
2011 phil
94 yates

[waddupi]

You must be smoking crack, Haney kills phil in every single shot and he didn't have to use insulin, lmao.

haney wont crack top 10 olympia 2015 if he was part of it. Physiques have changed overtime.

[mike8190]

I don't know man, but I don't think Haney, Dorian or Arnold have ever talked in any of their winning speeches about not getting enough likes on their ******** pics and h8terz. This alone makes Phil greater than them.

Lmao against all odds = not getting likes on ********.


But to answer OP, I guess it depends. I would have dexter (consistency, longevity, and as cedric would say "representing an ideal"), Ronnie, dorian, lee, and arnold in front. If you consider competitiveness, or I suppose other reasons, you can put jay ahead of him. Then there's other legends who wouldn't beat phil's best, like levrone, flex, shawn (shawn would put up a good fight tho that'd be interesting to see...), but presented amazing physiques which make them greats in their own right. There's plenty of other non olympia winners who have paved the way. I would put phil in top 10 personally for me he'd be at the bottom of the list but if you think reasonably, and Im not the most reasonable person, then he could be #5-7. I guess on my list, with dex and jay, and without shawn, flex and levrone, phil would sit at #7.

And also, good point above. I don't see creating a legacy as number of O wins. Guys like levrone have a legacy. Kai imo has a far superior physique and his presentation is top notch he's a very special bodybuilder imo so yeah I guess for MY top ~10 kai would have to be in there above phil So phil is #8.

[bartosh]

Around the top 5/6 position

[SPARTANUP]

I kinda see him as the Klitscko of bodybuilding. A champ for many years But against lesser completion (no offense). I mean really would he have stood a chance against Flex Wheeler in his prime? could he have endured the crushing size of Sonbaty OR THE fULLBLOWNESS OF lEVRONE?

Or the lights out baby of king Coleman? it's just like boxing he is a great champ and no one of his generation has had enough to take him out convincingly (bar Kai). In all fairness Heath is the best of his time, I will give him that. But for me Coleman/Dorian/Flex/Sergio/Arnold/... TOP 5 NO but top 10 sure why not.

[Iceman1981]

Top 10 for sure. If he can be dominant more than ever and win a few more Mr. Olympia titles, then he will be Top 5.

[HamiltonSandC]

Well...Ronnie and Lee 1st
Arnold 2nd
Dorian 3rd
Phil with the next most amount of wins.

[jaredmus]

he's good IMO Still falls behind- Yates, Haney, Ronnie and JAy Imo

[hittman]

narrow/10