Patriots Fans...

[Haste007]

Also the part about their 3 employees recording the Rams walk through, getting Faulk returning a kickoff as well as all of the new red zone Rams plays practiced for the Super Bowl never seen before.


Status: rustled.


Pats should give a 1st rounder each of the next 3 years. One to the Rams, one to the Eagles, one to the Panthers. Even odds for the order in which the teams receive the picks

[Noliberals4]

Also the part about their 3 employees recording the Rams walk through, getting Faulk returning a kickoff as well as all of the new red zone Rams plays practiced for the Super Bowl never seen before.


Status: rustled.


Pats should give a 1st rounder each of the next 3 years. One to the Rams, one to the Eagles, one to the Panthers. Even odds for the order in which the teams receive the picks

The excuse is that the Patriots switched the formation when they saw Faulk was going to return. Well I watched the Super Bowl and the Patriots did NOT switch formations - meaning they knew Faulk was going to return right away.

This is not looking good for the Patriots.

[holtmcg]

As I said they love me on the Giants ******** and Message Boards. Why did you become a Giants fan?

I didn't become a Giants fan. I was born a Giants fan. You mad?

[Noliberals4]

I didn't become a Giants fan. I was born a Giants fan. You mad?

Giants won the Super Bowl in 1986 - so you also became a fan after they won a Super Bowl. Just FYI.

[Mumra]

teams can trade players all day to be better. I don't see why fans can't do the same.

[iamgenus]

Billy Bellys complete body of work is mediocre... it has nothing to do with cherry picking. Dan koppen, David Givens, Deion Branch, Eugene Wilson, Banta-Cain, Daniel Graham??! Lmao not sheriff srs... those players were all scrubs. Seymour, Samuel, Light were good picks tho. "contributing" to wins doesn't make them great draft picks... being complete studs is what makes them great draft picks. (BB severely lacks in the stud department). there's a reason those NE teams of the early 2000's were boring as fukkk... it's cuz their players were boring and mediocre.

I'd rather have Trent Baalke as my GM srs.

Scrubs? Let me guess you just started following football in the last 5 years or so?

Koppen was a very good center for them for 8 seasons
Givens played a huge part in winning two of those Superbowls
Wilson was a quality DB for them for several years helping them win 2 SBs
Deion Branch was friggin SB MVP and was traded for a 1st round pick when he wanted more money
Banta-Cain is the only guy who you can call a role player
Daniel Graham had some huge plays for them and was a very good TE

Strong idea of scrubs. Just because they weren't on all pro level like Seymour, Light or Brady doesn't mean they were scrubs.

[snova031]

The excuse is that the Patriots switched the formation when they saw Faulk was going to return. Well I watched the Super Bowl and the Patriots did NOT switch formations - meaning they knew Faulk was going to return right away.

This is not looking good for the Patriots.

You say that as if there are 50 different formations for kickoffs. I'd wager that the Pats lined up to kick off just like every other team did 95% of the time.

[Noliberals4]

You say that as if there are 50 different formations for kickoffs.

There are.

[snova031]

There are.

Rly? What formation did the Pats use when Faulk was out there?

[Noliberals4]

Rly? What formation did the Pats use when Faulk was out there?

Don't know. Just that I know they knew Faulk was lining up out there - and the only way they could know is if they knew beforehand.

[snova031]

Don't know. Just that I know they knew Faulk was lining up out there - and the only way they could know is if they knew beforehand.

So you re-watched the kickoff, and something must've been different on that kickoff vs. every other kickoff, since they knew Faulk was going to be out there, but you don't know what was different about it?

Were there more guys lined up on Faulk's side? Were there extra gunners on Faulk's side? What was it that indicated they knew Faulk would be out there for that kickoff before anyone else did?

[snova031]

P.S. can you send me a link to the video for this kickoff, because I wanna watch it. Serious.

-Giants fan

[Noliberals4]

So you re-watched the kickoff, and something must've been different on that kickoff vs. every other kickoff, since they knew Faulk was going to be out there, but you don't know what was different about it?

Were there more guys lined up on Faulk's side? Were there extra gunners on Faulk's side? What was it that indicated they knew Faulk would be out there for that kickoff before anyone else did?

You know what? You're right. The Patriots just had to magically be prepared for something that has happened once in an 8 year career. The Patriots are just that good.

This had nothing to do with that:

Walsh said he observed star Rams running back Marshall Faulk line up in an unusual position: as a kickoff returner.

Nope. The Patriots, being the geniuses they are, just happened to know Faulk would be waiting for the return.

Kick off returns are never designed, which is why Adam kept kicking off to Devin Hester after he returned that opening kick off TD. Oh wait just kidding Adam never kicked to him again because kick off returns aren't as simple as they look.

What was it that indicated they knew Faulk would be out there for that kickoff before anyone else did?

I would explain this, but here:

Vinatieri kicked it into a corner, leading Faulk out of bounds after gaining 1 yard.

It's in the article. I am crying. Why? Why god why? Why?

[snova031]

You know what? You're right. The Patriots just had to magically be prepared for something that has happened once in an 8 year career. The Patriots are just that good.

This had nothing to do with that:
Nope. The Patriots, being the geniuses they are, just happened to know Faulk would be waiting for the return.

Kick off returns are never designed, which is why Adam kept kicking off to Devin Hester after he returned that opening kick off TD. Oh wait just kidding Adam never kicked to him again because kick off returns aren't as simple as they look.

I would explain this, but here: It's in the article. I am crying. Why? Why god why? Why?

So you're basically saying that since Vinateiri kicked it directionally (either intentionally or not), that means they knew Faulk was going to be out there because they cheated?

I just can't make that connection, and I'm not quite sure how you're getting there. Do you know what happens when a kicker kicks off out of bounds? Do you think they do that on purpose every time?

[Noliberals4]

So you're basically saying that since Vinateiri kicked it directionally (either intentionally or not), that means they knew Faulk was going to be out there because they cheated?

I just can't make that connection, and I'm not quite sure how you're getting there. Do you know what happens when a kicker kicks off out of bounds? Do you think they do that on purpose every time?

Read the article.

[snova031]

Read the article.

I'm not talking about the article bro, I'm talking about you just saying you watched it and can tell that they knew Faulk would be out there due to the "formation".

What was the formation? Kicker, with 5 guys flanked to either side? That's standard kickoff formation. Were they in something different?

[holtmcg]

Giants won the Super Bowl in 1986 - so you also became a fan after they won a Super Bowl. Just FYI.

I was still swimming in 86.

[Noliberals4]

I'm not talking about the article bro, I'm talking about you just saying you watched it and can tell that they knew Faulk would be out there due to the "formation".

What was the formation? Kicker, with 5 guys flanked to either side? That's standard kickoff formation. Were they in something different?

Gonna PM you.

[Noliberals4]

If you guys want to look it up yourself (I won't link copyrighted material on here), it's the kick off right after the Patten touchdown at 00:31 2nd quarter.

[Big_Spaz]

I don't know how Pats fans can even defend this. You honestly do not know (you are not on the team), but I would have to believe that the words printed in this article need to be FACTS or they could be sued for defamation of character. So to what extent they cheated no one truly knows, but the fact they did indeed cheat, is very true.






-Spaz

[Noliberals4]

I don't know how Pats fans can even defend this. You honestly do not know (you are not on the team), but I would have to believe that the words printed in this article need to be FACTS or they could be sued for defamation of character. So to what extent they cheated no one truly knows, but the fact they did indeed cheat, is very true.


-Spaz

Exactly.

The placement of the cameras is a HUGE advantage. Think of it like Instant Replay.

The typical televised NFL game is shown at a somewhat of a bird eye view, here is an example:



This is how an NFL game is typicall televised.

When they do instant replay, they obviously don't review the play from that view. They do it from DIFFERENT ANGLES:



As you see, the CAMERA PLACEMENT clearly gives the refs the advantage to either confirm or change the call.

Now, the question is - does taping on the sidelines help? After reading the ESPN and NY Post article, the answer is clearly "yes." How?

Simple: dummy signals.

"You're doing a good job," Adams said. "But make sure that you get everyone who's giving signals, even dummy signals."

They can film at a wide angled lens which means they can get all the signals. This is actually why Eric Mangini ratted on the Patriots - he was tired of making EXTRA dummy signals to throw the Patriots off.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/12/they-ar...tarted-it-all/

Mangini already had prepared an elaborate system to foil his former team.

“He had three sets of signals being given, one real, two dummy. He had the same thing going when he beat the Patriots” the previous year, a former Pats employee told Sports Illustrated.

But that meant extra work — that both teams were not playing on the same level field, the ex-staffer noted.

“I wasn’t going to give them the convenience of doing it in our stadium, and I wanted to shut it down,” Mangini said on “NFL Live,” adding that he later regretted doing it. “There was no intent to have the landslide that it has become.”

The filming was fairly straightforward — a staffer pointed a camera at an opposing team’s coaches from across the field. And it had gone on for nearly a decade — since Belichick took over the Pats in 2000, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell later revealed.

Now questions for Patriot fans arise -

1. If there was no advantage gain, why do it?
2. Why did Roger Goodell initially say Bill Belichick was punished for one game and a few games in 2006? Why did it take almost a year for Roger to admit this has been going on since 2000?
3. Why was Bill Belichick's defense that he MISINTERPRETED the rules? Why was it not "I didn't break any rules?"
4. If Bill "misinterpreted" the rules as he claimed, then why did he have his cameramen have DETAILED alibis?
5. Bill is not an idiot - Bill is extremely smart, so how could he have misinterpreted such an obvious rule?
6. If he was misinterpreting the rule, how did he continue to misinterpret after the 2006 Ray Anderson memo?
7. Why did Goodell burn/crush the tapes?
8. Why did Bill Belichick (and Robert Kraft) not hold a conference showing the tapes did not give them a competitive advantage? Why not give a press conference going through the tapes in detail and showing they did not give them a competitive advantage?
9. Why was Kraft's response just to hide and hope it goes away? Why did he not go out and prove his team was legit?
10. Would the Patriots have beat the Giants in Super Bowl 42 if they still had the Spygate advantage?

[Fahnestock]

I don't know how Pats fans can even defend this. You honestly do not know (you are not on the team), but I would have to believe that the words printed in this article need to be FACTS or they could be sued for defamation of character. So to what extent they cheated no one truly knows, but the fact they did indeed cheat, is very true.






-Spaz

Any article ever published is confirmed as 100% true, since defamation of character is illegal. Amazing logic. Deflategate has already been proven to be a complete and utter fraud and witchhunt, why should we believe anything that's ever been reported by sports journalists or the NFL. If you truly believe the league has been fixed for decades go find another sport and stop whining.

[GrecoRoman]

Roflllll don't be mad billy belly is a mediocre drafter.

Damn 4 Super Bowls with a system qb, mediocre drafter, cheap owner. I can tell you that we are going to cheat so hard next year. Can't see us having any success unless bill finds a crazy new loophole.

[CCAurora]

I'm not a fan of either side... I do pull for Brady a bit, but I'm not particularly biased on this one... my initial assumption was that this story was constructed as a nuke in the event that Brady won his case... I first thought the NFL was behind this until I realized how horrible this makes Goodell and the league look. With the amount of new information that keeps coming out, I don't want to form an opinion that will just change with the next "breaking news," but this seems infinitely more substantial than the ridiculous Deflategata saga.

The fact that the Pats have played better football post-Spygate throws a wrench into my opinion, too... I am legitimately curious how many other teams have been doing this same thing over the years, though. The 9ers 80's dynasty used stickum and blocked radio lines, the 70's Steelers dynasty used steroids... could it be that the 90's Cowboys dynasty is the squeaky clean one?

[TAWS6]

Damn 4 Super Bowls with a system qb, mediocre drafter, cheap owner. I can tell you that we are going to cheat so hard next year. Can't see us having any success unless bill finds a crazy new loophole.

Its all about the footballs having a little less air in them. Oh yeah and the tapes. Now we can put imaginary asterisks everywhere. Its so easily explained. All those records broke in 07, video tapes. Beat the Seahawks, deflated footballs. Its fun being a pats hater.

[Noliberals4]

All those records broke in 07, .

They lost that Super Bowl.

[beer n brats]

Damn 4 Super Bowls with a system qb, mediocre drafter, cheap owner. I can tell you that we are going to cheat so hard next year. Can't see us having any success unless bill finds a crazy new loophole.

guys like Bruschi, McGinest, Vrabel, Ty Law, Vinitieri, Rodney Harrison weren't even drafted by Bill...

Brb win 3/4 SBs* off of someone else's draft picks and try to act like it's cuz you were a good drafter lmfao

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[CCAurora]

They lost that Super Bowl.

This is coming from a Bills fan... under intense public scrutiny, they fielded a objectively better team than many Super Bowl-winning squads (if not most), and surpassed the '90 Bills and '98 Vikings as the best teams in modern history to not win a ring.

[TAWS6]

They lost that Super Bowl.

Giants are better than the Patriots.

[sdballer5588]

The red ITT very literally posted that Brady deflated balls.


It must be really difficult to appear intelligent when you make such major gaffes on a regular basis.



Good luck in your campaign against the Patriots. See you next year.