Have you really thought about what happens after you die? What consciousness is?

[idgafpolice]

For those of you who are gardeners you can take a plant and split it at the routes or even plant a cutting and the plant becomes two plants. Are those plants still the same plant?

What about twins, at one time as an embryo they were one organism until they split in two?

[Spoolme]

God loves all his children unconditionally. Now love him or he will send you to hell forever.


God sent himself, to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself. Logical!

[badlasagna]

when we die our soul is free to travel the universe and live other forms of existence, true story

[Way2Cold]

Itll just be like before you were born
Is what i think
Lol at the simulation theory why didnt they make the earth flat then? Why do we have a universe no need unless abunch of different lifeforms are being checked at the same time.Not really realistic imo death is coming brahs

[idgafpolice]

Itll just be like before you were born
Is what i think
Lol at the simulation theory why didnt they make the earth flat then? Why do we have a universe no need unless abunch of different lifeforms are being checked at the same time.Not really realistic imo death is coming brahs

What happened before we were born though. People assume it was nothingness because we can't remember it. Can you remember being say two or three or even being born though.

[VabaX]

you simply stop. but of course, nobody ever truly accepts this, because they cant fathom the concept, which is understandable, seeing as they've never experienced not existing, obviously.

[BeastlyChange]

What he says at the end is a cool thought.

"We are a way for the cosmos to know it's self."

[Drayg00n]

Immortal so don't know those feels.

[Athanasius90]

Since when was the burden of proof on the person denying the existence of something? Proving a negative is often impossible.

Scientific theories persist until someone puts forth a single piece of credible evidence to the contrary. Ignoring the fact that an immortal consciousness is the polar opposite of parsimonious, it doesn't even make sense in terms of life in general. There's absolutely no need whatsoever for such a thing to exist when organisms already produce viable offspring during their lifecycles.

People who are saying consciousness is the brain, or that we're our brains and our consciousness dies when it does have a burden. There is no evidence for this, it's often just declared as some rational default. Noones put forward eternal consciousness as a scientific hypothesis either--it's not a neurological hypothesis--it's a philosophical idea about the very nature of consciousness. Science is methodologically naturaly, and also quite theologically neutral. Don't forget that.


And you can prove a negative--this is just a dumb internet slogan thrown around just as thoughtlessly.

[sickh11]

I simply don't know. Aaand think you should be doubtful when people claim they do know.

[gachase21]

Previously died once, it was very interesting indeed.

I still like life though

[chlaxman]

Nothingness. Just like before you were born.

[Way2Cold]

What happened before we were born though. People assume it was nothingness because we can't remember it. Can you remember being say two or three or even being born though.

What do you mean what happened before you were born? I was a fish b4 I was born and a yeast infection b4 that brah were you been?
I used to think that consciousness was special, but I think that comes from being unable to comprehend/ are to afraid to look at it just ceasing to exist, so it's more of a reaction then a thought. Long time ago people used to pray for rain because they didn't how rain worked either so it was magic it was special.

[JusDanceBrah]

People who are saying consciousness is the brain, or that we're our brains and our consciousness dies when it does have a burden. There is no evidence for this, it's often just declared as some rational default. Noones put forward eternal consciousness as a scientific hypothesis either--it's not a neurological hypothesis--it's a philosophical idea about the very nature of consciousness. Science is methodologically naturaly, and also quite theologically neutral. Don't forget that.


And you can prove a negative--this is just a dumb internet slogan thrown around just as thoughtlessly.

Don't confuse your lack of understanding with lack of evidence, it is you who possesses the lack of evidence because you have precisely zero examples of conciousness existing separate to a brain. When you want to move your arm you 'think' it, and you also know that the brain is required to make your arm move, so why is it so hard for you to understand that you thinking about moving your arm is your brain telling your arm to move. it's not you thinking about telling your brain to move your arm lol, you are your brain telling your arm to move.

The implications of what you are saying is that your conciousness existed before you were born, does that not sound baseless and retarded to you?

[FrontDoublePie]

I was always confused as to why hell would be such a bad place.

Lucifer would probably just be partying the whole time/not be worried about making things ****ty wouldn't he? Wouldn't he want to give the old fu to the jesus by having hell be better than heaven?

Uneducated about religion crew here so aware me on why that thinking is wrong. No roll coast here.

We live in hell. If your lucky, you'll proceed to heaven. If not, you'll be reincarnated into a another cycle of hell.

[Athanasius90]

Did it cross anyones mind that there wasn't anything before you were born? That may seem obvious, but people treat it as if it were some extremely long period of non-being.

That actually isn't true. You simply found yourself existing from the day you were born without any wait-time, run up, etc. There was no waiting period or before.

The idea of eternal non-existence is not even coherent, as in, failing to exist and having this existential failure condition somehow perdure throughout time.

[Athanasius90]

Don't confuse your lack of understanding with lack of evidence, it is you who possesses the lack of evidence because you have precisely zero examples of conciousness existing separate to a brain. When you want to move your arm you 'think' it, and you also know that the brain is required to make your arm move, so why is it so hard for you to understand that you thinking about moving your arm is your brain telling your arm to move. it's not you thinking about telling your brain to move your arm lol, you are your brain telling your arm to move.

The implications of what you are saying is that your conciousness existed before you were born, does that not sound baseless and retarded to you?

I have no idea whether or not consciousness existed beyond us currently. I have no examples of consciousness existing without a brain--the very nature of consciousness is irreducible subjectivity. It's asking an ill posed question. I have no examples of consciousness "In" a brain, either--the only consciousness I know of is my own, and I have never and can never find or get to someone elses consciousness. for all I know, everyone else could be an unconscious robot.


If consciousness did travel to some separate realm beyond the physical, how ludicrous it would be to suggest neurology has any say on this. How could neurology follow consciousness into the afterlife? What aspect of the dead brain would say "consciousness went this way into the beyond"?

[JusDanceBrah]

Did it cross anyones mind that there wasn't anything before you were born? That may seem obvious, but people treat it as if it were some extremely long period of non-being.

That actually isn't true. You simply found yourself existing from the day you were born without any wait-time, run up, etc. There was no waiting period or before.

The idea of eternal non-existence is not even coherent, as in, failing to exist and having this existential failure condition somehow perdure throughout time.

Only relative to you nothing existed because you didn't exist to experience it, however the reality is things did exist before you were born like your parents. You are really trying to overthink things and just getting hopelessly tangled up in a knot.

[JusDanceBrah]

I have no idea whether or not consciousness existed beyond us currently. I have no examples of consciousness existing without a brain--the very nature of consciousness is irreducible subjectivity. It's asking an ill posed question. I have no examples of consciousness "In" a brain, either--the only consciousness I know of is my own, and I have never and can never find or get to someone elses consciousness. for all I know, everyone else could be an unconscious robot.


If consciousness did travel to some separate realm beyond the physical, how ludicrous it would be to suggest neurology has any say on this. How could neurology follow consciousness into the afterlife? What aspect of the dead brain would say "consciousness went this way into the beyond"?

No you are misinterpreting the things I said badly, conciousness is emergent and you need to understand what that means otherwise I can't even have a coherent conversation with you. Like I said earlier conciousness is no different from water being wet. A water molecule is not wet however water is wet, wetness is an emergent property. Wetness cannot exist without water (for arguments sake, I know other molecules can possess the quality) just as conciousness cannot exist without the brain. Wetness does not exist in a non-physical plane nor does it exist in another dimension, it is not magic nor is it a ghost, alien or any other type of mumbo jumbo and the same goes for conciousness.

Conciousness is a PROPERTY of the brain.

[Yaaaaaabuddy]

That 4chan story post about being every single person who existed would just be the worst thing ever if that was true. Oh so you're telling me I have to live the life of every single billions upon billions of people who had terrible lives or died terrible deaths? No thanks Jeff, that'd be a real fuked up thing for a God to do, that's actually probly Satan and you're in hell

[Athanasius90]

No you are misinterpreting the things I said badly, conciousness is emergent and you need to understand what that means otherwise I can't even have a coherent conversation with you. Like I said earlier conciousness is no different from water being wet. A water molecule is not wet however water is wet, wetness is an emergent property. Wetness cannot exist without water (for arguments sake, I know other molecules can possess the quality) just as conciousness cannot exist without the brain. Wetness does not exist in a non-physical plane nor does it exist in another dimension, it is not magic nor is it a ghost, alien or any other type of mumbo jumbo and the same goes for conciousness.

Conciousness is a PROPERTY of the brain.

I'm not misinterpreting anything. I'm just saying you're blithely presuming the materialist identity of mind and brain. Typing it capital letters doesn't make it any more plausible.

[JusDanceBrah]

I'm not misinterpreting anything. I'm just saying you're blithely presuming the materialist identity of mind and brain. Typing it capital letters doesn't make it any more plausible.

The brain is the grey squishy thing encased in the skull and the 'mind' is the name we give to the brain function. It's not open to interpretation by you, these are the definitions of the mind and the brain. The brain is a physical object and the mind is the transfer of energy between brain cells, this is also fact and not open to interpretation.

All you are doing is just stubbornly ignoring everything I am saying and turning it into a philosophical question when it is not philosophical at all. Maybe your right, maybe conciousness is separate from the brain and your conciousness escaped from a slug or something because unless you are trolling purposely, you are completely clueless about science.

[Chairman7w]

Our consciousness is who we are. Our bodies are the vehicle of which we are able to interact in the physical world we live in. We are actually limited to the chit we can do in physical form but once we die the possibilities are endless. You gain ultimate freedom so to speak. People are capable of spiritual things through their pineal glands or third eyes, you gotta think nobody knows all there is to know about the universe but its there, theres more to reality then just what you see we as humans dont even use our brains at full capacity so of course people will take the easy answer and say its just nothingness. But thats simply not the case.

Inb4 tl;dr
Inb4 "I know this how?"
Cheers

[Chairman7w]

I'll ask again--where is the evidence our consciousness disappears into oblivion at brain death?

It's in the same place as the Evidence that shows it DOES dissolve into oblivion at brain death.

[casherr]

If reincarnation exists, i hope in my next life i will become a rock.
Brb just chilling on the ground all day with no worries.
Be a rock my friend.

[TkHomie]

you simply stop. but of course, nobody ever truly accepts this, because they cant fathom the concept, which is understandable, seeing as they've never experienced not existing, obviously.

You couldn't experience existing when you were non existent, then you finally existed. Now you can't recall not existing. What if there's something beyond the two?

Wut....?

[alphamind]

I think we return back Home.

At least for a while.

[SteadyWayfarer]

i think its logical to assume death will be like how things were before being born.

[notorius1]

Lmao i was like lmao

realize that the evidence for my claim is in your faces.


The ONLY reason you say that it doesn't qualify is simply because YOU have ZERO evidence to the contrary.

As it stands, the true idiots are those who reject the available body of evidence in favor of an incoherent that gives you a little tingling in your Jim jams.

[BrotatoChip]

realize that the evidence for my claim is in your faces.


The ONLY reason you say that it doesn't qualify is simply because YOU have ZERO evidence to the contrary.

As it stands, the true idiots are those who reject the available body of evidence in favor of an incoherent that gives you a little tingling in your Jim jams.

Are you drunk or something? Not a single sentence you just wrote makes any sense whatsoever.