States' Rights

[Keltron]

Isn't it ironic that those who claim to be the most patriotic are the ones who want to go against the grain of the rest of the country? And it's always an issue that's ANTIfreedom like not obeying the separation of church and state.

"Well, we here are a Christian state unlike the rest of heathen America and we all want the 10 commandments on government property."

How is that freedom? Why do right wing nut jobs always admonish the Muslim world for not being free like the US but have the same philosophies as them when it comes to religion and government?

[DuracellBunny]

Oh look, a Keltron thread. Is it about muslims or white people being racist? Ofc it is.

[Keltron]

Oh look, a Keltron thread. Is it about muslims or white people being racist? Ofc it is.

Ive never claimed that all or even most white people were racist. Nor have I claimed that they were inherently racist.

[Keltron]

Oh look, a Keltron thread. Is it about muslims or white people being racist? Ofc it is.

This thread doesn't even apply to you because it's after 1776.

[DuracellBunny]

This thread doesn't even apply to you because it's after 1776.

So UK nationals aren't allowed to speak now? For somebody that constantly complains that certain groups are marginalised and their voices aren't heard, you are more than a little hypocritical.

[Keltron]

So UK nationals aren't allowed to speak now? For somebody that constantly complains that certain groups are marginalised and their voices aren't heard, you are more than a little hypocritical.

You can speak all you want. But your opinions on the subject of the OP are irrelevant.

[Keltron]

"The sun never sets on the English empire"
LOL.. yeah.. sure... that didn't turn out too well.

[DuracellBunny]

You can speak all you want. But your opinions on the subject of the OP are irrelevant.

And the true Keltron starts to come out; only certain people's opinions are to be allowed.

[Keltron]

And the true Keltron starts to come out; only certain people's opinions are to be allowed.

I didn't say your opinion wasn't allowed. I just said that it's irrelevant. But if you say something that shows you know a thing or two about our country and our history then I might change my mind.

[Keltron]

Idiocy starts at around 4 minutes.
"In the Oklahoma constitution the preamble states that we invoke the guidance of almighty God."
Oh look. We want a government where we force our religion on you... Sounds kinda Talibany to me. You don't deserve to fly the US flag. The confederate flag seems more fitting... Oh wait, that's what they want to do anyway. Surprise surprise.

[poundXpound]

Isn't it ironic that those who claim to be the most patriotic are the ones who want to go against the grain of the rest of the country? And it's always an issue that's ANTIfreedom like not obeying the separation of church and state.

"Well, we here are a Christian state unlike the rest of heathen America and we all want the 10 commandments on government property."

How is that freedom? Why do right wing nut jobs always admonish the Muslim world for not being free like the US but have the same philosophies as them when it comes to religion and government?

Know what the phrase means before you spout off.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax...rch-and-state/

Cliffs: The government cannot establish a religion for the state or the nation. Which is why there is no "Church of the United States" or "Church of California" like the "Church of England".

[Keltron]

Know what the phrase means before you spout off.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax...rch-and-state/

Cliffs: The government cannot establish a religion for the state or the nation.

Cliffs?

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Know what the phrase means before you spout off.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax...rch-and-state/

Cliffs: The government cannot establish a religion for the state or the nation. Which is why there is no "Church of the United States" or "Church of California" like the "Church of England".

Well played...

[Keltron]

Cliffs: The government cannot establish a religion for the state or the nation. Which is why there is no "Church of the United States" or "Church of California" like the "Church of England".

Your point?

[Clinos]

This thread doesn't even apply to you because it's after 1776.

lold. Worked on some many different levels.

Sorry DB.

[acrawlingchaos]

Know what the phrase means before you spout off.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax...rch-and-state/

Cliffs: The government cannot establish a religion for the state or the nation. Which is why there is no "Church of the United States" or "Church of California" like the "Church of England".

Separation of Church and State has evolved and expanded as our world became smaller and smaller.

The true meaning of the Separation clause is ambiguous at best, having the minutia of wording scrutinized in the creation of the 1st Amendment. Regardless, SCOTUS ruling have been rather consistent and very clear as to how separation is perceived. Like it or not, we are by and large a secular nation now.

[poundXpound]

Your point?

Displaying the 10 commandments on public property isn't state-sponsored religion.

[acrawlingchaos]

Displaying the 10 commandments on public property isn't state-sponsored religion.

Neither is allowing the display of Baphomet. Since the Government makes no law concerning religion, it would make sense that if the Commandments can be displayed then the display of other religious idols can be displayed.

[Keltron]

Displaying the 10 commandments on public property isn't state-sponsored religion.

Then what is it?

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Then what is it?

maybe just art...

[NorwichGrad]

The 10 Commandments List

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. You shall not make idols.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

5. Honor your father and your mother.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.


9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet.


So what’s wrong with the Ten Commandments? I mean, $hit, brahs.. Even if you’re not Christian, 6 of the 10 commandments can apply to you.

Honor your father and your mother.. That’s a good one. If you’re a douchebag, you can’t possibly say you honor your mom and dad..

You shall not murder.. A good one.. I wouldn’t want anybody to murder me or my loved ones.. And this is why we have the 2nd Amendment – so we can first neutralize those who want to murder us.

Don’t commit adultery.. Hey! Don’t bang your bro’s wife, bro.

Don’t steal.. Should be tattooed on the forehead of all politicians.

These are pretty good rules even if you don’t believe in a Divine Creator. So why do some people feel threatened by it?

Maybe it would help if Obama signed Executive Order 1,908,657,346,537,978,103,098,012 and he summarized the Ten Commandments into one law: Don’t be an fukken a$$hole.

[whatevergirl]

Isn't it ironic that those who claim to be the most patriotic are the ones who want to go against the grain of the rest of the country? And it's always an issue that's ANTIfreedom like not obeying the separation of church and state.

"Well, we here are a Christian state unlike the rest of heathen America and we all want the 10 commandments on government property."

How is that freedom? Why do right wing nut jobs always admonish the Muslim world for not being free like the US but have the same philosophies as them when it comes to religion and government?

Things are changing, but while Christianity is still the dominant religion in the US, we are very much governed in a secular way. It's vastly different (how the US is governed) from how most middle eastern countries are 'governed.' ((And, there are religious fanatics everywhere.))

[Keltron]

Things are changing, but while Christianity is still the dominant religion in the US, we are very much governed in a secular way. It's vastly different (how the US is governed) from how most middle eastern countries are 'governed.' ((And, there are religious fanatics everywhere.))

Yes, we definitely are and I'm not saying that having God in the pledge or this ten commandments stuff is even remotely as bad as some muslim countries when it comes to the separation of religion and government.

I just find it ironic that some people slam the middle east and say they hate us because of our freedom and claim to be proud to be American because we have freedom but would be totally glad if we moved towards having less separation of church and state.

[NorwichGrad]

Yes, we definitely are and I'm not saying that having God in the pledge or this ten commandments stuff is even remotely as bad as some muslim countries when it comes to the separation of religion and government.

I just find it ironic that some people slam the middle east and say they hate us because of our freedom and claim to be proud to be American because we have freedom but would be totally glad if we moved towards having less separation of church and state.

Big K. I will admit that I used to be one of those right wingers that used to slam the Muslim countries. I was wrong. Hate is wrong.

I'm not your enemy and you're not my enemy.

Our common enemy is central fascist government run by criminal bankers. They are the cause of all wars.

[DuracellBunny]

It's the wrong argument to be having.

The UK has 20 something seats in the house of lords that can only be held by bishops; yet christian groups exert less influence on legislature than in the US.

If religious leaders give public support to candidates and churches donate money to campaigns and lobbyists, they are going to exert influence in direct proportion to the amount of votes they gain a candidate.

You are arguing over what colour to paint the house, whilst ignoring the dry rot and subsidence.

[Keltron]

Big K. I will admit that I used to be one of those right wingers that used to slam the Muslim countries. I was wrong. Hate is wrong.

I'm not your enemy and you're not my enemy.

Our common enemy is central fascist government run by criminal bankers. They are the cause of all wars.

Bro, I don't even think those hardcore rightwingers that have anti-muslim rallies w/guns outside of mosques are my enemy in the sense that I'm in danger or that they're out to get me. I just think they're harmless idiots.

[whatevergirl]

I just find it ironic that some people slam the middle east and say they hate us because of our freedom and claim to be proud to be American because we have freedom but would be totally glad if we moved towards having less separation of church and state.

Well, the irony is only among those who are religious fanatics, radical evangelicals, etc...You'd be surprised how many moderate Christians there are who agree with you. I do know what you're referring to though, some people who on the one hand are appalled by how many of the middle eastern countries are governed tightly connected to religious rules/Sharia Law, and on the other hand feel that our government should support and adhere to Christian ''principles.'' Double standards will always exist, I guess.

Always exercise your right to vote. lol

[NorwichGrad]

Bro, I don't even think those hardcore rightwingers that have anti-muslim rallies w/guns outside of mosques are my enemy in the sense that I'm in danger or that they're out to get me. I just think they're harmless idiots.

If you're talking about the right wingers in Frisco, you're right. They're harmless cuz they're gays. And they won't harm you cuz they think you're a hawt A-Stanian.

[Keltron]

Well, the irony is only among those who are religious fanatics, radical evangelicals, etc...You'd be surprised how many moderate Christians there are who agree with you. I do know what you're referring to though, some people who on the one hand are appalled by how many of the middle eastern countries are governed tightly connected to religious rules/Sharia Law, and on the other hand feel that our government should support and adhere to Christian ''principles.'' Double standards will always exist, I guess.

Always exercise your right to vote. lol

Im referring to the fanatics. I think most religious people in the US regardless of their religion respect the separation of church and state. 90% of my friends and family are theists (mainly muslim and christian) so I would be friendless if I believed otherwise

If you're talking about the right wingers in Frisco, you're right. They're harmless cuz they're gays. And they won't harm you cuz they think you're a hawt A-Stanian.

LOL Hottastanian... I like that. Women always ask about my ethnic background.. next time Im just gonna say "What am I? I'm Hottastanian baby"

[NorwichGrad]

Im referring to the fanatics. I think most religious people in the US regardless of their religion respect the separation of church and state. 90% of my friends and family are theists (mainly muslim and christian) so I would be friendless if I believed otherwise

LOL Hottastanian... I like that. Women always ask about my ethnic background.. next time Im just gonna say "What am I? I'm Hottastanian baby"

It's your people's bedroom eyes, bro. Basically your thick bushy unibrows. The essence of the hottastanian ethnicity. You bros invented bertstare years before Christ was born.