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[DannPM]

That's an insane calf Kure, props.

[stingray72]

That's an insane calf Kure, props.

I agree. Just insane.

[cerigitts]

Hi guys!

I had a CRAZY weekend!

MLJ Great Progress! I love how into it you are these days! it's nice to read your findings

Muzs I think your cake looked fine!

Cap: What a lovely shape you have. I know you're really happy with your progress!

EJ: Lazy BUM (see what i ddii there?)

Znik: Here i'll give you a random pick of my unflexed calf:



BONUS:

I PR'd today on standing Overhead Press! I got 215!
Here's a vid!



I don't know what Brenna was moaning for... but I'm glad she recorded for me lol

Dang !! Impressive calf & OHP !!! Mirrin !!

[Znik]

^ sucks about the migraine. Low carb to high carb could be a trigger, as it can cause carb flu/hangover for some, so I would assume it can also work as a trigger for conditions.

Looks like you are carrying a good amount of lbm, gonna be good when you finish cutting.

The 80's called btw, they want their pants back.

[cerigitts]

^ sucks about the migraine. Low carb to high carb could be a trigger, as it can cause carb flu/hangover for some, so I would assume it can also work as a trigger for conditions.

Looks like you are carrying a good amount of lbm, gonna be good when you finish cutting.

The 80's called btw, they want their pants back.

Haha ! Superman pants FTW !!!

It's the first time I've hit super high carbs in a while, so i'm going to go with that as the cause, i'm not really low carb dieting anyway so was no need really, it just kinda happened....won't be doing it again in a hurry.

Out of interest, how does strength correlate with LBM ? All my lifts for my body weight are in the intermediate range according to http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...hStandards.htm

[DannPM]

MLJ can we get a form check here?

[Znik]

Haha ! Superman pants FTW !!!

It's the first time I've hit super high carbs in a while, so i'm going to go with that as the cause, i'm not really low carb dieting anyway so was no need really, it just kinda happened....won't be doing it again in a hurry.

Out of interest, how does strength correlate with LBM ? All my lifts for my body weight are in the intermediate range according to http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...hStandards.htm

Just remember it until next refeed or high carb day, that way you will know for sure.

Correlates to some degree but also so much of strength is CNS, leverage, intra-muscular leverage (fat marbling,water,glycogen,creatine content etc. affects intra-muscle leverage), form, available energy, recovery bla bla bla.
A major part of strength is time spent lifting with progressive overload, like with everything the longer you do it and the harder you push the better you become.

LBM obviously plays a role as well, but not always significantly, you often see low weight people who has been lifting for ages lift insane amounts of weights compared to their mass. Same way you can see a massive guy with a ton of lbm who can be weak as fuark. Training approach plays a part as well.

That being said, the exrx strength standard list is pretty good in terms of mass vs time.

MLJ can we get a form check here?

Babies are the best squatters ever, shame we forget that perfect form as we grow up.

[Galindo62]

Its too late caprica the damage is already done.

[Znik]

It's sad how politically twisted the Norwegian media is, since 99% of politicians are pro-refugee so is 99.9% of the media covered. You only get sad stories about women and children, absolutely no mention of all the bad crap happening in other countries and refugee camps. No mention of all the fake economical migrants etc. etc.

It's absolutely shameful that I have to go read international media covered about the refugee crisis to get a clear picture of whats happening.
Now it's gotten to the point of where anyone in high standing are terrified of being critical as that is automatically going to get your a smear campaign by the media, and even journalists have to post anonymously and on international websites if they have a critical view or they risk losing their jobs etc.

[MuzzieChik786]

It's sad how politically twisted the Norwegian media is, since 99% of politicians are pro-refugee so is 99.9% of the media covered. You only get sad stories about women and children, absolutely no mention of all the bad crap happening in other countries and refugee camps. No mention of all the fake economical migrants etc. etc.

It's absolutely shameful that I have to go read international media covered about the refugee crisis to get a clear picture of whats happening.
Now it's gotten to the point of where anyone in high standing are terrified of being critical as that is automatically going to get your a smear campaign by the media, and even journalists have to post anonymously and on international websites if they have a critical view or they risk losing their jobs etc.

Yes. Not to mention - it's detrimental allowing so many refugees into one country without a solid transition plan. We're already seeing the mess it's creating.

It bothers me.

[Galindo62]

Oh your media is putting a sympathetic spotlight on refugees?boohoo cry me a river. Im atheist but i think we should all try to be "christ like"
Compassion is important.


Your media is better than the fear mongering xenophobic inbred media over here. Every other media besides norway is very hateful toward reuges and immigration in general.
Same old story though. Anybody who remembers history knows there has always been a huge fear of immigration. At least in america.



@kur crazy vascularity. Seen some people like that before on their calves. Really standa out

@Galindo, if people have problems with knees, hips, back while squatting, then they probably aren't using proper technique . And if you don't have proper muscle length tension relationships, synergistic dominance, or other imbalances, then those have to be addressed in order for technique to be achieved without compensation. It's logical to achieve efficient basic movements before adding weight. Consider loads of people can't even do a proper bodyweight squat comfortably. The last thing they should do is fix it by throwing weight on their back.

Well if strength isnt your concern then i suppose theres no reason to put yourself through that strain.
But i disagree with your statement. Its like saying youre not gonna be sore after a wrestling match. I mean yeah if you obliterated the guy youll come out squeaky clean because you didnt really have to push yourself.
Same thing with weightlifting. Continues heavy lifting will put a strain here or there. Knees and back etc etc. Even with good form.

[Galindo62]

One of my Heavy pupils went up to a 330lb squat from 205x3 in 8 weeks. Also went up from a 225x3 bench to 290. Im gonna compile a video of his before and after lifts.
He would complain about a lot of stuff he was feeling. But he kept pushing through like i asked of him. Some problems even corrected themselves. I had anpther pupil a while back who pretty bad "butt wink"(lumbar rounding" i implored him to stretch and foam roll. To my despair he never did. But to my surprise after several weeks of lots of squatting the problem fixed itself. He went up to 425x3 before he quit.

put volume down
https://youtu.be/SKFyhqqpjOk

Very ugly
-probably wouldnt count in a meet because he stalled for a split second and looked like he was going down
-no lumbar rounding
-good explosion out of the hole lockout was really ugly. Messed up elbow possitons. Harder lockout than it ahould have been
-shoulders still roll slightly forward in the hole.

[Znik]

Yes. Not to mention - it's detrimental allowing so many refugees into one country without a solid transition plan. We're already seeing the mess it's creating.

It bothers me.

Norway is already struggling with integration on the refugees we already have.

Oh your media is putting a sympathetic spotlight on refugees?boohoo cry me a river. Im atheist but i think we should all try to be "christ like"
Compassion is important.

The problem is that it's not sympathetic on the grand scale, it's all about being super sympathetic for the few we are going to take in. First it was 2 000 then 8 000 now it's 14 000 - 20 000 + family reunion afterwards so total probably is 100 000. We roughly spend 500 000$ per refugee over here because of our insane economical support with bypasses what most ethnic Norwegians can get.

Instead of spending that amount on a tiny tiny amount of the total refugees, we could have helped an insane amount at the UN refugee camps etc. The ones who actually requires help, most of the ones who makes it to Norway are economical immigrants and not war refugees. Back when it was 8 000 , for the same amount it costs we could have helped like a million.

I am all in for compassion where it matters, but the fact is Norway absolutely sucks at integration. 98% of rapes in Norway is done by foreigners, 30% of our prisoners are foreigners (which is a vast amount if you compare the populations) and most are for violence,theft or sex crimes. On average we mange to get 23% of our refugees jobs, rest are unemployed and reaping our awesome benefits, most don't even want to work since they already get near the same amount as they do if they had jobs.

Norway was (and still is) an insanely low crime country, but that is climbing rapidly due to immigration.

If you look at news from Germany,Sweden,Denmark etc. there is no reason to believe the current refugee wave is any better than the one we already have been struggling with. Not saying they are all going to be bad, but there is some pretty bad stuff going on already in those refugee camps. Not to mention the fact that only about 20% of them are actual war refugees, rest are economical immigrants with fake or no papers and 72% adult male. None of that stuff gets mentioned at all in Norwegian media.

So a sympathetic spotlight is fine, but not when it leaves out everything else and gives a totally fake picture of what's going on in order to promote certain political wings.

[csb5731]

Your media is better than the fear mongering xenophobic inbred media over here. Every other media besides norway is very hateful toward reuges and immigration in general.

Hey we have something in common besides SV650's and it isn't musical ability, degree of mesomorphism, or haircuts.

It's not so bad up where I live but I recently visited parents in AZ and it was disconcerting to say the least.

[DannPM]

Speaking of immigration, I always thought it'd be funny to move to a foreign country like China and open an American restaurant. Making bbq, burgers, pizza, mac and cheese, bacon, Apple pie, etc.

Edit: and onion rings, the good kind, battered kind.

[Galindo62]

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Znik @
Yes yes i wont ignore the numbers. But having a negative outlook at foreigners due to media certainly isnt going to be much help either!

[Galindo62]

Speaking of immigration, I always thought it'd be funny to move to a foreign country like China and open an American restaurant. Making bbq, burgers, pizza, mac and cheese, bacon, Apple pie, etc.

Edit: and onion rings, the good kind, battered kind.

haha well technically is there even any american food? If there is any legitmate authentic american food it would come from the south (if it isnt already french in origin)
In america we have americanized versions of food which i dont think other countries would care too much about.

Even apple pie is danish. Remember america is relatively young and founded with immigrants.
Next thing you know people will be calling enchilladas and quesadillas american food.

[DannPM]

haha well technically is there even any american food? If there is any legitmate authentic american food it would come from the south (if it isnt already french in origin)
In america we have americanized versions of food which i dont think other countries would care too much about.

Even apple pie is danish. Remember america is relatively young and founded with immigrants.
Next thing you know people will be calling enchilladas and quesadillas american food.

I think maybe tomato based bbq sauce may be American? I could just do KC style bbq lol

[Galindo62]

Haha idk im no culinary expert.

Idk about you guys most people i know at one point dreamed about owning a restaurant.
I prefer bakery though.

[Znik]

Znik @
Yes yes i wont ignore the numbers. But having a negative outlook at foreigners due to media certainly isnt going to be much help either!

Nope, but neither does a falsified positive outlook. Norway could help big time internationally with finance, but taking in 20 000 into a country that is already struggling with integration, housing for refugees and Norwegians, massive increase in unemployment due to oil prices crashing (Norway's economy and work force is largely based on oil) is just stupid. There is already estimated 100 000 jobs lost in the time to come if oil prices do not climb soon, with a country of 5 million (about 2.3 million actually working) that's a massive future problem.

Not to mention Norway's infrastructure being in a state of total decay atm, schools falling apart, kids can't learn to swim due to schools/county can't afford to keep pools open, massive hospital queues and wings closing due to poor finance etc., roads all fked etc. etc. When that is already going on you don't further strain the infrastructure by taking in a potentially 100 000 immigrants/refugees.

But heeey it's good PR and a lot of the "elite" make a fortune on refugees due to sweet finance deals with our lovely corrupt government.

[Znik]

I think maybe tomato based bbq sauce may be American? I could just do KC style bbq lol

Might be, as tomatoes originate from America ?

Haha idk im no culinary expert.

Idk about you guys most people i know at one point dreamed about owning a restaurant.
I prefer bakery though.

If I were healthy we could swap countries, you come here and make all that crazy American bakery stuff and I would go make delicious Norwegian bakery stuff over there !

I would have to bring a container with Pearl Sugar and Horn salt since you guys don't have that easily available over there though.

[missladyj]

@Dann...brb, taking you up on your offer to visit for a pint and so your baby can teach me how to squat

Your media is better than the fear mongering xenophobic inbred media over here. Every other media besides norway is very hateful toward reuges and immigration in general.
Same old story though. Anybody who remembers history knows there has always been a huge fear of immigration. At least in america.

I actually did not expect this statement from you for some reason. Couldn't agree more.

Well if strength isnt your concern then i suppose theres no reason to put yourself through that strain.
But i disagree with your statement. Its like saying youre not gonna be sore after a wrestling match. I mean yeah if you obliterated the guy youll come out squeaky clean because you didnt really have to push yourself.
Same thing with weightlifting. Continues heavy lifting will put a strain here or there. Knees and back etc etc. Even with good form.

Quite the contrary, if strength is your main concern, then you should do everything in your power to ensure you are moving efficiently...otherwise, it's only a matter of time before injury. Not to mention, inefficient movement causes a leakage of power. Any weak link effects the entire kinetic chain. If someone cannot activate their glutes in a squat due to a prior ankle injury, why would you put more weight on their back instead of going back to basic movements and teaching the glutes how to fire again? Then training the squat would be so much more productive. All things being the same, who is going to move more weight...someone who's glutes do not fire correctly and instead over compensates with their quads, or someone who took the time to retrain their glutes and then began squatting, effectively utilizing their posterior chain? If you have a dysfunctional movement pattern and you add load bearing exercises, it's a recipe for disaster. And inefficient AF.

"Removing the crack in the foundation is the best way to progress the strength of a structure —not simply adding another floor to the building, but strengthening the foundation before the new construction starts." - Gray Cook

[EjnarKolinkar]

I think maybe tomato based bbq sauce may be American? I could just do KC style bbq lol

Nah man, it's all about the navajo frybread. Or New Mexico style pork green chili. We take Straya by storm.

massive increase in unemployment due to oil prices crashing . There is already estimated 100 000 jobs lost in the time to come if oil prices do not climb soon, with a country of 5 million (about 2.3 million actually working) that's a massive future problem.

That has got to really suck right now especially as those are all relatively high paying jobs. I mean even the bottom rung blue collar worker still making a good living in petrochemical industry.

[PsyLadX]

@MLJ
Now I get why the lotus was with the Sanskrit scripted word. Here's an interesting take on the unfolding lotus according to Hinduism, Buddhism & ancient Egyptian culture. It represents one's consciousness & their own path to enlightenment. A fully open lotus signifies the person having super-consciousness. I'm interpreting it just means that the person has let go of traits/sins such as ego, vanity, greed, lust, etc (remember that awesome movie se7en?) become something like Christ so full of compassion,etc understanding their connection with the entire universe & other such deep stuff.

I got two.
Karma. What goes around, comes around. On the back, signifying my extremely mischievous (putting it mildly) past. Got it in college after one monstrous life lesson.

Dharma. No 'one' definition. Chiefly, use it as inspiration to doing the right thing, the right action, right path, right approach, etc. eg - its helped me quit smoking, take care of terminally ill mom, etc etc etc

"To simply wake up every morning a better person than when I went to bed."
Sidney Poitier
Something I live by.

@DannPM What a cute baby!

@Znik & @Galindo62 Humanist checking in! Label definition - 'Don't believe in religion. Focused on other's welfare though.' meh to each his/her own.
I believe unless something doesn't personally affect you, you never truly give a flying fack about "the other" person's pain/struggle. Thats how desensitized we are.
On the other hand, self preservation is everyone's right! The backbone of evolution.


edit: i gotta learn how to post larger images

[Znik]

That has got to really suck right now especially as those are all relatively high paying jobs. I mean even the bottom rung blue collar worker still making a good living in petrochemical industry.

Indeed, the petrochemical industry is pretty much what has kept Norway's internal economy ticking due to the high income and relative high income for the companies that are linked to it (transport,processing,cleaning,food etc.)
Once that crashes the ripple effect if insane. Iirc about 60-70% of the transport companies (truckers,taxis etc.) are highly associated with the petroleum industry and are dependent on those services.

We only have 2 major industries/export business in Norway and that is oil and fish. Fish is privatized , oil is not so a majority of government funding is based on the oil which correlates with a ton of other public jobs and benefits. Last year was the first time ever Norway actually had a negative economical balance since the oil industry started. So if that keeps up, we're fked

[kmac1196]

Good morning!

I'm still around....just been busy doing nonsense.

Numbers for all interested....Wk 1 -1.6, Wk 2 same Wk 3 -1.8 Running a 1k deficit per day (according to body media info). Seems to be working. Still up from my lowest (about 18 lbs...was hoping for 1st week whoosh that didn't happen).

Everything else is ok....lifting is fine (still running strong curves for the 2nd time....finishing week 9-12....looking for somthing else soon). Son in college is ok...the girlfriend back at home complicates things as he comes home every weekend instead of doing college stuff (he goes to UMASS amherst who's nickname is ZOO mass....you can guess why...and he's doing none of it). The power of girls...

Other than that..good...busy...usual nonsense. Anyone have a good upper/lower split worth looking into? Haven't run one of those in a long time.

[EjnarKolinkar]

The power of girls...

Anyone have a good upper/lower split worth looking into? Haven't run one of those in a long time.

phul, lyle mcd generic bulking, candito LP all seem well liked

[EjnarKolinkar]

Hmm, think I'll try and find some adriano Zumbo timtams for sale on the interwebz, got those things in my head.


My oldest might make it to visit next year. Get him to bring a duffel bag full. Send him home with bag full of clothes in return. Levis, adidas, Nike etc much cheaper here.

[MuzzieChik786]

*waves*

I saw an advert on the innernetz about a dumbbell training program called "body beast." Anyone done it? Thoughts? I want to add it to my routine since I'm incapable of doing Stronglifts anymore (back issue persists).

[Znik]

*waves*

I saw an advert on the innernetz about a dumbbell training program called "body beast." Anyone done it? Thoughts? I want to add it to my routine since I'm incapable of doing Stronglifts anymore (back issue persists).

Oh gawd, a beachbody program ? Would probably be better off with the abshredderzzz 20000 3 min workout machine.

Whats up with the back ?


In other news, I started German Volume Training, my god it's brutal.