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[EjnarKolinkar]

Damn znik, I think you made it. Myron.

[stingray72]

I agree znik you crushed it. I am pretty stoked myself Because as of 1 pm Im already at 1866 calories burned after adjustments at 1pm which is much more than I expected but I did do an hour of cardio and a mild workout. Im cutting on 1800 calories as usual.

[Znik]

Damn znik, I think you made it. Myron.

I agree znik you crushed it

Not done yet! Still got some more to lose.


You know you are starving yourself when thinking about and visualizing biting into a big bacon cheeseburger gives you the chills and goosebumps.

[stingray72]

Not done yet! Still got some more to lose.


You know you are starving yourself when thinking about and visualizing biting into a big bacon cheeseburger gives you the chills and goosebumps.

Yeah haha. I have a long way to go but im going to be patient this time. No more regaining for me unless its for medical reasons.

Im getting ready to watch ufc 190 all I watched so far was the womans fight.

[Znik]

Yeah haha. I have a long way to go but im going to be patient this time. No more regaining for me unless its for medical reasons.

Im getting ready to watch ufc 190 all I watched so far was the womans fight.

I am getting seriously impatient, but also I know I have to be patient as I am deep into the potential muscle loss territory

[missladyj]

Have to complain about something.

boo boo looks freaking adorable

lol Even you must know you look awesome though...bet a lot of guys do not believe you are natty.

Thanks for compliments to Hershey

Not done yet! Still got some more to lose.

Dat mental fortitude! How much longer are you going for?


*******


Planning something extremish...keto for 90 days. Really curious about lifting + keto at 20% deficit. I have been doing mostly a ketogenic for the last few days while planning out the 90 days and deciding if I can commit to it. I really love the idea of eating 100g+ of fat every day. Only aiming for 120g protein.

Will keep track in my journal, starting up tomorrow.

[Znik]

Dat mental fortitude! How much longer are you going for?

Planning something extremish...keto for 90 days. Really curious about lifting + keto at 20% deficit. I have been doing mostly a ketogenic for the last few days while planning out the 90 days and deciding if I can commit to it. I really love the idea of eating 100g+ of fat every day. Only aiming for 120g protein.

Will keep track in my journal, starting up tomorrow.

Probably not that much longer, starting to reach the end of what I can endure.


And bah, keto diets are so yesterday. It's all about high carb low fat now.

http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-l...beats-high-fat

Whereas carbohydrate restriction led to sustained increases in fat oxidation and loss of 53 ± 6 g/day of body fat, fat oxidation was unchanged by fat restriction, leading to 89 ± 6 g/day of fat loss, and was significantly greater than carbohydrate restriction (p = 0.002).

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...2815%2900350-2

[missladyj]

And bah, keto diets are so yesterday. It's all about high carb low fat now.

http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-l...beats-high-fat


http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...2815%2900350-2

http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/carb...-study-review/



I remember when I did keto before that I definitely had consistent energy, felt better mentally, less hunger, and was fine with 1-2 meals a day. Have been following this guy's channel who interviews a lot of people on the cutting edge of current keto research, and he has claimed that he has built muscle and lost fat while dieting on keto (not a noob or coming off long hiatus). Also made gains in training. No carb ups. So now, I am curious. Not to mention, I think it would make for an interesting transformation to show my clients, especially those who might be more inclined to eating keto because of diabetes / heart conditions.

[Znik]

http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/carb...-study-review/



I remember when I did keto before that I definitely had consistent energy, felt better mentally, less hunger, and was fine with 1-2 meals a day. Have been following this guy's channel who interviews a lot of people on the cutting edge of current keto research, and he has claimed that he has built muscle and lost fat while dieting on keto (not a noob or coming off long hiatus, way too small to be on gear, 160lbs). Also made gains in training. No carb ups. So now, I am curious. Not to mention, I think it would make for an interesting transformation to show my clients, especially those who might be more inclined to eating keto because of diabetes / heart conditions.

If keto works go with it, personally don't like it but understand that some reacts awesomely to it. Primarily it's the high fat I got something against, since carbs have so many more functions than fat.

Since you (or any others ITT) know way more about keto than me, got any papers/info in terms of the potential detrimental effects of high fat intake ?
Especially in terms of the pro-inflammation pathways that activates during high fat, leptin/insulin resistance and Hypothalamic neuron apoptosis ?

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0005045
http://www.nasw.org/users/mslong/200.../FattyDiet.htm
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/en.2010-0336
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...showall%3Dtrue

Just something I came across during some of my browsing, I haven't seen any keto responses to them (nor have I looked yet tbh).

[stingray72]

I had my bad cholesterol shoot up doing the psmf which puts you in keto so I wouldnt try the high fat version either. My bad cholesterol shot up 30 or 40 points with a very small gain in good cholesterol. It doesnt make sense either considering everything I ate was very low fat.

[missladyj]

If keto works go with it, personally don't like it but understand that some reacts awesomely to it. Primarily it's the high fat I got something against, since carbs have so many more functions than fat.

Since you (or any others ITT) know way more about keto than me, got any papers/info in terms of the potential detrimental effects of high fat intake ?
Especially in terms of the pro-inflammation pathways that activates during high fat, leptin/insulin resistance and Hypothalamic neuron apoptosis ?

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0005045
http://www.nasw.org/users/mslong/200.../FattyDiet.htm
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/en.2010-0336
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...showall%3Dtrue

Just something I came across during some of my browsing, I haven't seen any keto responses to them (nor have I looked yet tbh).

Whenever I see studies discussing the negatives, it's notably in people who do not track macros / calories or eat fiber...which is like da fuk? No wonder there are side effects if people don't get in enough micronutrients, fiber, or know how much fat and protein they are taking in.

Here is a good one:

Low-carbohydrate diets are a safe, effective way of losing weight, promoting non-atherogenic lipid profiles, lowering blood pressure, diminishing resistance to insulin with an improvement in blood levels of glucose and insulin and they also have neurological and antineoplastic benefits.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/publications...ic%20diets.pdf

An overview of 23 studies on Low-Carb and Low-Fat Diets: http://authoritynutrition.com/23-stu...low-fat-diets/

Idk if you will watch the whole thing, but learned so much from this and found it highly interesting:



https://youtu.be/d0O9duM9hOw

^^They discuss studies and common misconceptions about a ketogenic diet, and show darthluiggi's sick transformation.

[Znik]

^^ Cheers, will take a look at em tomorrow.

[missladyj]

^^ Cheers, will take a look at em tomorrow.

Cool, let me know what you think...Godt natt og drøm søtt

[Znik]

Cool, let me know what you think...Godt natt og drøm søtt

Will do, can't read it atm because my brain is lacking nutrients or something. Not working properly

Also for those interested in carbs,paleo, keto and all that stuff, a lot of them seem to be bashing on carbs as a bad thing.

One of the recent theories is quite a interesting read: The Importance of Dietary Carbohydrate in Human Evolution
http://www.jstor.org/stable/full/10.1086/682587


eta: mirrin the Norwegian skills!

[missladyj]

Will do, can't read it atm because my brain is lacking nutrients or something. Not working properly

Also for those interested in carbs,paleo, keto and all that stuff, a lot of them seem to be bashing on carbs as a bad thing.

One of the recent theories is quite a interesting read: The Importance of Dietary Carbohydrate in Human Evolution
http://www.jstor.org/stable/full/10.1086/682587


eta: mirrin the Norwegian skills!

Agreed. People can become quite dogmatic about the funniest things eh? I stop listening / reading once I happen on the absolutist stances.

[moore93]

Missladyj, you look like mayonnaise.

[caprica6]

hugs, all.

Not done yet! Still got some more to lose.


You know you are starving yourself when thinking about and visualizing biting into a big bacon cheeseburger gives you the chills and goosebumps.

beautiful pics, Znik.


i hadn't had a burger in a while, and about a week ago i was stuck at a mall during a heavy downpour so i went to a Ruby Tuesday, (a restaurant chain here), and ordered a massive marguerita (ugh, i can never spell that!) b/c it was just a dollar more than their regular one plus their smokehouse burger.

omfg. heaven in my mouth. o.o

bacon, cheddar, just a bit of bbq sauce and an onion ring inside the best bun evar.

and i ate the whole thing b/c i was by myself and i didn't know how long it would take for the drink to wear off. i had never gotten drunk by myself while out at a restaurant or bar before. (i made sure i spent another few hours in the mall and a bookstore cafe afterwards.)

i let loose two more times while my brother was out here. someone who's normally very proper got silly with me also and said d*kpics when the subject of snapchat came up... i saw my brother cringe b/c she also said fk a few times, lol. the second time was at the inn on the beach that i mentioned. i didn't tell anyone that i was wasted as we walked along an oceanside trail.

[caprica6]

yesterday's progress report

hey, all. 131.4 lbs today.

i saw 133.6 lbs yesterday and 135 lbs a few days ago. that's up from 129.6 lbs 16 days ago. i had monthly and other bloating going on, and then my brother came to visit and we indulged in some great food.

my hamstrings were sore for days after an at-home workout with light weights. it felt good to hit different muscles differently. i'll have to do more of that.

right now i’m sore b/c i overdid cardio this morning.





thank you, M!

the "track - no excuses!" part wasn't me, lol. i haven't been disciplined enough to log my food intake regularly in years. i have suggested that people focus on making habit-based goals, however.

mine - what i hope to continue to do for the rest of my life:
>work out a minimum of 3 times per week for a minimum of 45 mins per session.
>practice mindful eating and portion control at all mealtimes.
>monitor my weight and belly bulge daily. i don't allow my weight plus belly bulge to go past a certain point.

other - file under excuses/no excuses!
>i’m trying to track my food intake again to speed things up... i'll keep trying. i tracked 3 out of the last 10 days.
>i'm working out now instead of taking rest days when i can't get to a gym. i finally retrieved my light weights from another location, and on one occasion i made myself jog indoors. (not in place, in a loop through the kitchen, a hallway and the livingroom, lol. i reversed direction several times to keep things interesting and take pressure off the inside leg.) ...i had wanted to switch things up - i usually walk at a fast pace on a treadmill or use a bike or elliptical, etc, and yet i had talked myself out of jogging outside. :P

[moore93]

hugs, all.



beautiful pics, Znik.


i hadn't had a burger in a while, and about a week ago i was stuck at a mall during a heavy downpour so i went to a Ruby Tuesday, (a restaurant chain here), and ordered a massive marguerita (ugh, i can never spell that!) b/c it was just a dollar more than their regular one plus their smokehouse burger.

omfg. heaven in my mouth. o.o

bacon, cheddar, just a bit of bbq sauce and an onion ring inside the best bun evar.

and i ate the whole thing b/c i was by myself and i didn't know how long it would take for the drink to wear off. i had never gotten drunk by myself while out at a restaurant or bar before. (i made sure i spent another few hours in the mall and a bookstore cafe afterwards.)

i let loose two more times while my brother was out here. someone who's normally very proper got silly with me also and said d*kpics when the subject of snapchat came up... i saw my brother cringe b/c she also said fk a few times, lol. the second time was at the inn on the beach that i mentioned. i didn't tell anyone that i was wasted as we walked along an oceanside trail.

Most margaritas are decent at any restaurant really like Chili's etc. Try Genghis grill's fishbowl margaritas. And burger monger for burgers.

Come back and rep me when you're fat.

[caprica6]

Most margaritas are decent at any restaurant really like Chili's etc. Try Genghis grill's fishbowl margaritas. And burger monger for burgers.

Come back and rep me when you're fat.

roger that. i'm in N.E. right now but i'll check out the last two places when i'm back down there.

[NitrogenWidget]

Big guys complaining about being tiny is like when dime piece females complain about being too fat...

@Dan, do eeet! That's not really too bad of a startup for such a tiny price per 12oz! Makes hosting gatherings 100x more awesome as well.

@MC, not all dogs slobber!


Some pics of my boo boo



(not that kind of boo boo)

beeeeutiful dog.
Mine is a black lab hound mix with just a little bit of chocolate mixed in.
But, she is a spaz.

[NitrogenWidget]

Damn znik, I think you made it. Myron.

from the a scientific standpoint, znick has unlocked his genetic potential and his heritage is significant I think.
It amazes me how he went from obese to now.

Not many people can do that & even few can do it as quickly.
Not to discredit his hard work at all.
which i'm willing to bet is harder than most.

I'm jelly.

[csb5731]

Big guys complaining about being tiny is like when dime piece females complain about being too fat...

@Dan, do eeet! That's not really too bad of a startup for such a tiny price per 12oz! Makes hosting gatherings 100x more awesome as well.

@MC, not all dogs slobber!


Some pics of my boo boo






(not that kind of boo boo)

Strong AND sensitive.

Is that a real camera?

[stingray72]

from the a scientific standpoint, znick has unlocked his genetic potential and his heritage is significant I think.
It amazes me how he went from obese to now.

Not many people can do that & even few can do it as quickly.
Not to discredit his hard work at all.
which i'm willing to bet is harder than most.

I'm jelly.

Yeah he did something right for sure.

[kmac1196]

I love Hershey!

Znik....I can't believe you don't think you're done. I don't think anyone sees the stuff you see with your critical eye.

Hey Cap!!!! Did I miss which oceanside walk you did? How long are you back? Any chance you are heading to Plymouth? We can hook up for an icecream on the waterfront!


Sucky busy day today. 1 hour LISS, going to the dump, work, home to shower and eat lunch and then back to work for phone answering. At least it's not humid so my water retention won't be that bad this weekend.

Week 11 of diet break. I'm not going to lie...I love it. I know I have far to go but I'm still loving it. Will have before break and after break pictures. Weight has stabilized at 4-5 lbs up from start....maintaining at 2500 cals. 1 more week and then beginning cut on Sept 7th.

Did I mention that my son is leaving on Sept 4th???????


Oh..and edit to add keto stuff....


Alan Aragon has been posting a ton of studies from colleagues regarding keto....over on his ******** page. Let me go see if I can find any links...

[kmac1196]

A direct quote from Alan on his ******** page....


Can keto work for improving body comp? Sure can. However, body comp can (and does all the time) improve via non-keto diets as well. And you don't have to suffer through severe carb restriction or food group restriction, or delude yourself into thinking you're in a magical metabolic state where body fat is dropping quicker. Keto diets aren't magic, and the current body of research does not consistently show keto to be superior for improving body comp (especially when protein is matched between diets). Do your own observational research and take note of how many of your associates hop on keto and stick to it long-term.

[missladyj]

beeeeutiful dog.
Mine is a black lab hound mix with just a little bit of chocolate mixed in.
But, she is a spaz.

Thanks Nitro. He is mixed with Alaskan Malamute...would love to see what kind of puppies he'd have with another lab or a husky / malamute. Those dogs are so intelligent and love to work.

Strong AND sensitive.

Is that a real camera?

Entry level dslr, Nikkon D5200. Is a great camera, even does full HD videos.

A direct quote from Alan on his ******** page....


Can keto work for improving body comp? Sure can. However, body comp can (and does all the time) improve via non-keto diets as well. And you don't have to suffer through severe carb restriction or food group restriction, or delude yourself into thinking you're in a magical metabolic state where body fat is dropping quicker. Keto diets aren't magic, and the current body of research does not consistently show keto to be superior for improving body comp (especially when protein is matched between diets). Do your own observational research and take note of how many of your associates hop on keto and stick to it long-term.

Oh yea, I'm more than aware that keto is not superior to a carbohydrate based diet when it comes to body composition. I'm more interested in the other things...

- Reduced appetite
- More fat loss from the abdominal cavity
- The heart & blood sugar benefits
- There's ongoing research about it possibly being used as prevention (or even treatment) to cancer (since tumors thrive on glucose)
- Neuro-protectiveness
- And then there's many physique coaches who insist that low-carb diets are crucial for getting women lean (def need to look more into that)

And just the nature of the diet itself ensures that you take in more micronutrients and fiber (bone broth is amazing for health, srs). A lot of people on keto eat more veggies than vegans do. And the consistent energy throughout the day is highly appealing. I have been in a ketogenic state before and it was very interesting how it made me feel mentally. It could have been placebo effect, but I keep reading more and more about how it causes the brain to operate more efficiently...want to explore that further as well. I plan on doing a lot of research during the 90 days and documenting how I feel while adapting and all that.

As for suffering and carb restriction, I didn't find that to be the case the various times I have done these low carb diets, as long as there was fat in my diet (eff you psmf!!). There is no rule that you can't break keto and enjoy what you want every once in a while, which I am sure I will do. Especially for strawberry cheesecake and the inevitable Winter chilli that will be cooked in my house

[stingray72]

Most margaritas are decent at any restaurant really like Chili's etc. Try Genghis grill's fishbowl margaritas. And burger monger for burgers.

Come back and rep me when you're fat.

@ cap also

I dont really like any beer But margaritas on the sweeter side i do. If youve never had a coconut margarita you must try one em yum.

[EjnarKolinkar]

Keto and paleo in the same sentance makes me nauseous. Paleo is a mythical food list. Nutritional ketosis is a metabolic state. The two are in no way related.

[Galindo62]

I think keto is very silly.

But I think dieting down is silly in general